I remember watching guys getting cleaned (by force of lockdown) off of hard drugs and street life. Goes two ways with life experience and hopes for me. I had worked years to get to the point I could work 100kg on a bar and guys would enter the institution just wiped out from hard life. All the regular meals and good food along with a roof over head would explode their bodies back to an historical state that even they could hardly remember. I would watch guys' physical strength return to them in a rate of increase over a period of months that has taken me years. Our bodies are miraculous and they usually react wonderfully to a clean life style. I have seen it a dozen times or more with first hand acquaintances and friends. The second is that the truth shows itself quickly. Seen kids come in just piping loud about the weight pile and how they are going to smash it up. They would brag about a 305-lb bench press or a 500-lb squat and one set of wheels would be crushing them. They quit in weeks or days. It was always the humble ones who showed results. Usually they ended up with me, as I frequently needed a workout partner. I was an asshole about my workouts and I was religious to the extreme, but I also had the weights at yard open and that was attractive to many, so inevitably new people would end up asking me if they could workout with me. And this is the key.... it goes for free life as much as guarded. These guys were always looking for something to do. I offered something that they remembered and they really just came out to pass time away. Their bodies did what they do naturally and pretty much they had to move on to bigger and stronger partners because they turned out to be actual monsters in the strength and size department. Now, the monsters worked out with me plenty, but we had guys who benched 500-lb with squat well over 600-lb. It was too much of a mismatch but was still pretty rewarding, and inspiring, to be a part of someone's return to health like that. So that is what keeps giving me hopes this time around. I am on day 84 with my own demon and I know first hand from dozens of others and a couple times myself. It all comes back. Oh yeah, I return to work tomorrow. Was planned for Monday, but they called me in early. I had work today if I could have, but have promised the day to the family. It can get better much quickly than fears can present.

You know the joke..... getting clean is like playing a country record backwards...grandma is back alive, your dog comes home, and the wife no longer cheats.... something like that.

I am really glad to see this! I have barely been alcohol clean since May 19th, so the choice to pull out my Deca last month made me wonder if I was swapping problems. I dropped my AAS in 2014 due to high BP and never went back for issues in my life and that fact that I ended up drunk again. I don't know if you gave me the words I want to hear or if I understand you, but I do like your post. I don't have a recover group in public yet, just my wife and me. If she slips, I am fucked for sponsorship. I have my kids, and they rode with me getting this house clean in May, so they are awesome, but they do NOT need the troubles of a drunk.

It used to take the funds of a bank to fill my syndrome, banks which I did not necessarily have an account with. The US Feds cured me of that illness, they gave me a 130-month rehab program and as you know it, Feds let you have 85% of that bed space. I keep my goals more simplistic these days.

BTW, I came in here because I have finally quit drinking and my wife is cruising the water wagon with me. I have tried for 10-years to get her to ride the sober train with me and we are keeping it clean. And.... without the alcohol syndrome, I can focus on a few nicer things. Not too may, but some.

P.S. I never put my club fed status out to the forum, let's keep it here. I wonder how many members might actually stumble in here?

Suboxone done for maintenance or a long taper off is a life safer. People dont come off opiods cause who wants the horrors of being dope sick. I have personally stayed away from methadone cause it is liquid handcuffs. but if that is what u need to stay off dope..,great use it.
Suboxone isn't going to help u stay off everything. U can still get drunk, benzos, coke, meth, etc.
Suboxone is simple to take, u dont have to go to a clinic everyday to get it, and u don't get high off it taking as prescribed. And u can function in everyday life again.
I'm not really for just using suboxone in a detox for 5 to 7 days. thats not enough time and u r more likely to relapse because u will still be going through withdrawals.

good stuff bro. just take it one day at a time and try ur best to manage stress/trauma when it comes ur way.
people selling the dope mixed with fentynal really dont know the right ratio to mix. they just put it out and if people start dying they realize they put too much.
the worse part of opiates is there r no days off. its the worse 24/7 365 day job u can have.
enjoy ur father's day.., they grow up quick