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I would like to know about everyone’s experience with EQ. Are the negative things that have been brought to light recently as common as they’re made out to be or is it a little overstated? I would venture to say more guys are getting bloodwork done and seeing the negative impact more often now. As someone that has a HCT that sits anywhere from 46-51, I have a few concerns, but I am very interested in the compound to utilize during a lengthy growing phase primarily driven by test, just using EQ an adjunct to the primary driver.

fatsacksdaddy82's picture

Eq is dope

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kekerino's picture

I love eq but once it fully saturates it gives me insatiable hunger. No amount of reta can touch it. Great for a bulk but not so ideal for cutting phase.

Jrb97's picture

I’ll be transitioning into a growing phase. Reta doesn’t touch my appetite anymore regardless lol. I just ordered elora to run alongside my Reta to finish up this last 5 weeks of the cut

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Norblin's picture

That was something I didnt enjoy about reta, I was always hungry but couldnt eat because everything took so long to digest lol. I want the opposite, not think about food but eat when I need to.

Jrb97's picture

Reta was great for about 6 months, but now I feel like my digestion is moving fine, I don’t feel “full” like I did. Hoping adding in the Elora will help. I’ve also heard recently tren can counteract some of the effects of Reta on hunger, so that may be what I’m running into.

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sandman3698's picture

I got the anxiety kinda bad. I did my trial with it low so I could ride it out ok enough.

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Jrb97's picture

Did you know where your e2 was sitting while you were feeling like that?

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BigCoachKen's picture

I really want to use eq/bold whenever my next growth phase starts, but the hematocrit stuff has me thrown. Ive struggled with hct for the past couple years, and now that ive got it down Im afraid EQ would shoot it straight to the moon.

@SeeOhShow how low a dose of either eq or bold do you think would start giving results? If I go that route Id start real small and titrate each round of bloods if hct stays good

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SeeOhShow's picture

Noticeable results attributed to the boldenone specifically? I’d probably say in the 400-600mg range. And those results would be slightly better vascularity, little better endurance in the gym, and slightly better looking delts. It won’t be anything so drastic that you notice it in the mirror weekly like 150mg anadrol, deca/NPP, or tren.

Boldenone in the 100-300mg range is just a means to avoid running an AI, in my opinion. Though absolutely nothing wrong with that, as I have done it myself. Same with primo. But I have tons of both on hand, so I can “waste” them using it in such a fashion.

If it doesn’t mess with your RBC parameters, it just quietly works in the background over a very long cycle. Test/Nandrolone/Boldenone is an offseason staple.

fatsacksdaddy82's picture

Gotta go 1200mg a week

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BigCoachKen's picture

Doesnt seem worth the hct risk, in my case then, if theres nothing "drastic" to notice. Im playing with primo right now, trying to get my ratio nailed down. Probably just carry that over to the growth phase

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Jrb97's picture

I would go the primo route too but my pockets aren’t deep enough to run it 20-24 weeks lol. I can get enough EQ and not even worry about it

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BigCoachKen's picture

Yeah, it surely ain’t cheap, and I’m not using that much right now, but I aromatize easily, so I am already expecting to have to increase the ratio after bloodwork. But hopefully not.

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SeeOhShow's picture

Yea I’d pick primo over it any day. I can just get 20x the amount of bold for the same price as primo lol. Primo doesn’t touch my e2 anything like EQ either. I can run it 1:1 with my test. EQ is 3:1 or 3:2 depending on how much aromatizing compounds I’m on and dosage.

You may have zero HCT issues on it though. It didn’t raise mine even 1 point.

BigCoachKen's picture

Cut cycle just started so plenty of time to plan things. The money side is definitely an argument lol.

Thanks for your insight, as always.

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SeeOhShow's picture

So the E2 lowering effect is damn near instant, so you don’t gotta wait until 8 weeks in to check that part. You could simply just go get a sensitive e2 test a couple times in the first 4-8 weeks to titrate to an adequate ratio. Now the lowering will carry further on as it saturates, so if you see it mid/upper mid and are like “great I can add more EQ” then you could run into problems. But if you’re already bottom of the reference range 2 weeks in, then you’ll assuredly need more test, because you’ll likely be crashed come week 8-10.

That being said, I have absolutely none of the touted side effects on bold (EQ or bold Cyp). No anxiety, no RBC issues, etc. Test and NPP are my main drivers and EQ is in there to lower E2 and help with my diet. 6300 calories has me gaining 0.5lb/week. So the EQ hunger helps make getting those calories less of a chore.

I was scared to try EQ for the longest because of all the fear mongering around it. “Oh your blood will be like syrup.” “I had terrible anxiety.” Only way to know is to try it and monitor your bloodwork. My experience won’t be yours.

There’s a domestic source here that carries bold cyp that is pain free. You could try that first, so you’re not stuck with a massively long clearance time should it not agree with you.

Jrb97's picture

Great response man. I feel like there’s some truth to the fearmongering around it, but I also think it’s entirely overstated for clicks. Oddly enough I enjoy getting updated labs, so I typically get a draw every 4 weeks including a cystatin c/apob and I always grab a sensitive e2 when I pull it.

I’ll be using it for a promo from another source. Thanks for the response! I’ll update about 4 weeks in

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SeeOhShow's picture

I think the truth becomes highly individual. Like how some people can run 500mg tren and not feel like they’re dying and others get fucked just from 10mg/day. But there’s tons of people who perpetuate those fear mongering type rumors without actually trying the compound.

Or DHB being another example. DHB at 425mg/wk didn’t alter a single parameter on my bloodwork. It raised my blood pressure, which would hurt my kidneys if left unchecked, but telmisartan/cilnidipine got me back under 120/80 instantly.

My next go with boldenone will be Test/Bold Cyp/DHB.

Mills's picture

Fantastic response.

I run eq at a 1:2 test:eq ratio and still end up needing aromasin.
Eq never touched my appetite. I mainly noticed vascularity and endurance.
Its definitely a heavily fear mongered compound but I couldn’t agree more with @SeeOhShow
on how everyone responds differently and you need to figure out what works for you.
Ive run 450 tren e for 14 weeks bloods came back near perfect and i never have sleep problems on tren.
But If I do any type of DHT derivative stronger than low dose mast my lipids get raped and i get terrible back acne and shedding.

Ccacc's picture

that’s a great cycle you have coming up. i do find that Dhb can be a close second to tren and sleep is not taken away for me is very important. i’ve always liked EQ and never had the sides everyone talks about besides some elevated BP at times. The addition of DHB gives me a veiney dry look and feels great with test and gh.

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Ccacc's picture

Running test/Dhb and Eq now for the second time and reallly liking the combo. Ran the same with NPP and also really liked it as well. Lately Dhb has been a great addition for me. Gonna pull blood this week.

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SeeOhShow's picture

Nice. I think I read that EQ barely, if at all, converts into DHB endogenously. Gonna run it as a cut/prep cycle probably starting around Feb. Gotta see when the next show is around me and back calculate ~16 weeks. No tren just test/bold cyp/DHB then winstrol at the end. I’m betting it’ll be a comparable look to the standard test/mast/tren

Jockstrap's picture

I used to run eq a lot. It's long and slow as a cycle. Might look at bold cyp 400 with test 600 for simple 12 weeks. Run bloods etc to see your real numbers...not guesses. Keep it simple.

Jrb97's picture

We love labs

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Bill1976's picture

I was never impressed with equipoise. Testosterone is the only thing in impressed by. Deca is cool also but ment is potent af. Makes you gain weight too fast though.

FourYrs's picture

Ran it at 350mg to start, with 500 test and 250
NPP. Felt great and so about 8-10 weeks in pushed to 420 and crashed my E2. Threw some dbol at that problem for the short term and increased the test base for a longer term solution, and that handled it. Dropped the NPP after 12 weeks and ran with the EQ and test for another 8 weeks which is when I really noticed its affect - solid, lean gains.

No anxiety, no hematocrit issues, no blood pressure, and none of the famous EQ hunger sides. All in all it was a compound that agreed with me and that I intend to run after getting my cystatin c and other kidney markers checked to confirm they are all still healthy. 10/10.

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Jrb97's picture

Awesome man! I aromatize a decent amount but I’m still afraid to push it 2:1, I’ll probably run 3:1 until 8 week labs to see how I’m getting along and adjust if needed. I’ll bring in NPP to bring up the back end of the growth phase

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