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Nitti
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+ 5 Karma is meaningless? U sure?

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I have a question. Well a couple questions. First,.. Is anyone confused on what is considered karma whoring?
Give me a list of things you would consider pimping yourself out for points? Let's clear the air.

I already know how much karma means to some of you. And how proud you are of the tag next to your pic. But I'll be honest. About 80% of you who sky rocketed up to advanced or higher in a year or less , you didn't get those points from being an AAS guru and helping everyone in the forum. I can count maybe 10 people in the last 12 months who really dedicate their time to help with cycles and other questions. Other than them, it's almost ALL from posting pics one after another after another like we don't see the patterns. Some even send Mass PM's telling ppl to check out their pics without actually saying "hey give me some karma".

I'm making it clear here and now! I'm going to start digging through ppls karma closely to look for patterns. I hope you don't have a little clique of friends who circle jerk each other's karma because It might just disappear from your page. If you think you might fall under the spotlight and want to come clean, I might let you go with a warning and a doc. Karma may not be important in reality but wait, you sure about that? Because I know of sources who send shit loads of gear to high ranking members in promos thanking them for their service to the site. So there is a lot of free gear at stake which makes it very important to a lot of ppl.

If I find anything suspect and it reveals anything obviously underhanded, unless you came clean , you won't be shown any mercy.

I see a lot of ideas for changing the system. Some are actually really good. Don't not so much.
1). Stop giving karma for gear pics.
Here's the problem with that. You do remember buying that bottle of test e in the gym and dying to get online to check the images on google to see if they match? I do. Or the sust amps. We all had Karachi at some point. Your boy says "yo those are bootleg homie" and you don't wana believe it and again can't wait to get home to check the google images for a match. Those images are coming from the top AAS sites on the planet. Well who is number 1? We are! So those images are your gear pics. It's an important part of the site. But I don't think you guys should be bumping karma for a pic of a bottle of test prop. If there's an impressive stash or big order , letting us know you got it.
2). Put a cap on karma in pics!
Not bad. I can see that. 5 point max with all the upvotes you can handle. Works for me.***
This one is classic,...
3). Have a book and bail system implemented for karma whores
If you get caught in a circle jerk or whoring for pics you get a temp ban (booked) and you can return after x amount of days with a warning and a points dock depending on the level of the offense. Do it again and you get booked with a temp ban but this time no ROR. You gotta pay bail to get back on. $25 fee to the eroids fund. Help pay for the server or any other expenses the boss has. Get 3 months probation (no karma awarded during probation). Do it a third time you're permabanned unless you pay $100 bail and get 3-6 months probation (no karma awarded during probation) with a reset of your score upon your return.
Now I'll admit this is kinda ghetto. But it's actually not a bad idea

Another by iron game

So I'm posting this at the request of a fellow member who could not post it themselves due to some different reasons I dont even understand lol. So just just wanna make that clear, these are not my thoughts, just helping out a fellow eroider who sent me a message asking to post this for them.
"The problem with the karma system is not the people who post pictures. Posting all the time is stupid, but it gives you no karma. The problem with the system is the people giving the karma. People need to think before they click, is this picture appropriate, helpful, a good representation of eroids? Most likely the answer is no, then do not up vote that picture. Make a comment, "nice pic bro" or whatever but do not give people karma just for the hell of it. Limiting the amount of points per picture is not a good idea. I have seen people get 30+ hits but it's normally because of amazing progress or fast results. I have also seen incredibly out of shape people get tons of karma, and this blows my mind. If a person posts a shot and they look like they have never touched a weight, why are you giving them karma?
IMHO Gear pics should not be availble for karma. Post the pic sure, but only because you need to show what you got. Too many people post the same vials in different poses over and over and over that's ridiculous."

Gsxr1000spanker's picture

Even old vike need some luv sometimes;-) lol

Catalyst's picture

I so want to +2 this just because you're a mod and it means you'll never ban me ;)

VIKING EVOLUTION's picture

lol...... even mods get banned on eroids

Catalyst's picture

Seen that a few times over the years.

fusebox's picture

I don't like to draw attention to myself very often but I would like to call you out a bit. You have earned every bit of karma that you have and to be honest should be higher in my opinion. I normally don't do this because someone else's feelings might get hurt. Just wanted to say thanks.

Gymjunkie01's picture

Here is my only concern when a person does post a pic? Say like bicep Monday a lot of people posted them and then everyone got karma off of it if that's the case I'm guilty for 8 points then

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Nitti's picture

No ,you also contribute and give your time and knowledge to the board. I will say this, next time there's a leg day or bicep Monday, you guys should make a group to post them in. Karma free zone. The progress pics section should stay that way. For progress pics.

cmo25cent's picture

Amen

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Gymjunkie01's picture

that's a good idea

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Catalyst's picture

A huge percentage of the karma now held is from pics, I bet we'd be shocked if it's analysed. Wasn't like that when I arrived, but if that's how it is, so be it. The sad thing I see is there are members with adv tags that quick frankly don't know their arse from their elbow in terms of aas knowledge, yet feel the tag gives them the status to tell others how it should be done. Sometimes I'll be honest, I find it embarrassing. New members look at those tags and see them as affirmation that the advice they get is accurate. That's a little dangerous with some.

Nitti's picture

New members look at those tags and see them as affirmation that the advice they get is accurate. That's a little dangerous with some.

Yes!

Cccrambone's picture

Maybe you guys limit the amount of karma that can be given per pic? Like max of 5 total points?
There are some ppl ive seen that have been here less than a year and are over 400 Karma.

It does deflate the meaning behind Karma when you see things like that.

WINNING's picture

Good post Nitti! What is done is the dark shall come to light eventually. That pm'ing people to look at your pics thing is very prevelant(whoring). I'm glad your looking into this, I'm sure your detective work will reveal a lot to the community in the very near future.

Nitti's picture

There are not many ppl who dedicate the time to help out. It's always the ones that do that who have to grind it out to get that score up. Hours and hours of helping and teaching. And a couple pics of test prop and some orals gets a bunch of hits. It takes the wind out of your sails. I know, I used to be one of you in the trenches

Pale's picture

Would it be possible for BFG to just show on our profiles how many points were earned in the forums, versus gear pics and self shots?

I am sure we all have a combination of all three but at least if we could see it I think it would keep more people honest, but then again maybe not. I know I have had pics but I have tried to put most of my own emphasis on the forums. I don't run with the SI cliques so fortunately no one invites to their little scams. That being said I am not advanced. I do have experience and I try to share what I do actually know responsibly. No copy and paste posts with a few words changed around from me, no new self pic every week and I don't even hardly do gear pics anymore.