+ 5 Karma is meaningless? U sure?
I have a question. Well a couple questions. First,.. Is anyone confused on what is considered karma whoring?
Give me a list of things you would consider pimping yourself out for points? Let's clear the air.
I already know how much karma means to some of you. And how proud you are of the tag next to your pic. But I'll be honest. About 80% of you who sky rocketed up to advanced or higher in a year or less , you didn't get those points from being an AAS guru and helping everyone in the forum. I can count maybe 10 people in the last 12 months who really dedicate their time to help with cycles and other questions. Other than them, it's almost ALL from posting pics one after another after another like we don't see the patterns. Some even send Mass PM's telling ppl to check out their pics without actually saying "hey give me some karma".
I'm making it clear here and now! I'm going to start digging through ppls karma closely to look for patterns. I hope you don't have a little clique of friends who circle jerk each other's karma because It might just disappear from your page. If you think you might fall under the spotlight and want to come clean, I might let you go with a warning and a doc. Karma may not be important in reality but wait, you sure about that? Because I know of sources who send shit loads of gear to high ranking members in promos thanking them for their service to the site. So there is a lot of free gear at stake which makes it very important to a lot of ppl.
If I find anything suspect and it reveals anything obviously underhanded, unless you came clean , you won't be shown any mercy.
I see a lot of ideas for changing the system. Some are actually really good. Don't not so much.
1). Stop giving karma for gear pics.
Here's the problem with that. You do remember buying that bottle of test e in the gym and dying to get online to check the images on google to see if they match? I do. Or the sust amps. We all had Karachi at some point. Your boy says "yo those are bootleg homie" and you don't wana believe it and again can't wait to get home to check the google images for a match. Those images are coming from the top AAS sites on the planet. Well who is number 1? We are! So those images are your gear pics. It's an important part of the site. But I don't think you guys should be bumping karma for a pic of a bottle of test prop. If there's an impressive stash or big order , letting us know you got it.
2). Put a cap on karma in pics!
Not bad. I can see that. 5 point max with all the upvotes you can handle. Works for me.***
This one is classic,...
3). Have a book and bail system implemented for karma whores
If you get caught in a circle jerk or whoring for pics you get a temp ban (booked) and you can return after x amount of days with a warning and a points dock depending on the level of the offense. Do it again and you get booked with a temp ban but this time no ROR. You gotta pay bail to get back on. $25 fee to the eroids fund. Help pay for the server or any other expenses the boss has. Get 3 months probation (no karma awarded during probation). Do it a third time you're permabanned unless you pay $100 bail and get 3-6 months probation (no karma awarded during probation) with a reset of your score upon your return.
Now I'll admit this is kinda ghetto. But it's actually not a bad idea
Another by iron game
So I'm posting this at the request of a fellow member who could not post it themselves due to some different reasons I dont even understand lol. So just just wanna make that clear, these are not my thoughts, just helping out a fellow eroider who sent me a message asking to post this for them.
"The problem with the karma system is not the people who post pictures. Posting all the time is stupid, but it gives you no karma. The problem with the system is the people giving the karma. People need to think before they click, is this picture appropriate, helpful, a good representation of eroids? Most likely the answer is no, then do not up vote that picture. Make a comment, "nice pic bro" or whatever but do not give people karma just for the hell of it. Limiting the amount of points per picture is not a good idea. I have seen people get 30+ hits but it's normally because of amazing progress or fast results. I have also seen incredibly out of shape people get tons of karma, and this blows my mind. If a person posts a shot and they look like they have never touched a weight, why are you giving them karma?
IMHO Gear pics should not be availble for karma. Post the pic sure, but only because you need to show what you got. Too many people post the same vials in different poses over and over and over that's ridiculous."
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I notice a little war brewing further down this thread!.......... it is Nittis thread and i think its best if i leave it to him to deal with BUT!..... i am on patrol and if it gets much hotter in here i will be handing out some tickets........ if you guys want to have a dust off take it to fkn PM before it becomes a board problem and i have no choice but to step in.
Thanks V!
StevebUnderstood
RustyhookerSorry Steve. You been here a long time.
Thankyou brother
Damn Nitti! Never seen a thread explode so fast. A lot of good ideas with most being along the same lines and I'm not necessarily disagreeing but perhaps we need to consider other factors. For example, most of the recommendations assume that the Boss created Eroids as a Not-for-Profit or out of his love for all things AAS. I am almost certain that's not the case unless he is very rich and has a lot of spare time. Eroids is a business whose goal is to make money for the owner. It does this by providing value to the members and sources with the key being the sources because they pay the bills, NOT us. First and foremost it is a steroid review site that just happens to have a vibrant community of mostly knowledgeable members that offer advice. That aspect is what makes Eroids stand above other forums but again that does NOT pay the bills.
Sources pay the bills. Sources love gear pics or selfies from members that have a nice physique and link their pics to the source. These pics = sales which results in happy sources, more sources on eroids and therefore more money.
Compared to other sites, nothing comes close to Eroids. That's why we are here. No system is perfect. Never will be. It's always a work in progress.
I'll leave with this. The Boss seems like a very smart man to me. I would guess that the system as it's currently designed wasn't done by accident or without a heck of a lot of thought. Perhaps we instead need to work within the system and let the Mods deal with abuse.
The one thing that BFG has always said was he wants eroids to remain free to everyone. No paid memberships. No fee's ever! Information is supposed to be shared and passed along without favorites or separating the have' sand have nots. If someone googles a bottle they just got and they stumble on a pic of a bottle of prop that roughneck posted 3x, and they can't see the link because they are being denied access until they subscribe ...for a small fee of X $, it won't take long for them to move to the next pic. Eroids eill remain a free site.
You'd better believe there's nothing close. Imitation is the greatest form of flattery. But can you really improve on an original? There are some bad sequels out there. Some boast about their superiority while they preach humility and a lack of competition. Ohh there is definitely no competition. Men lie, women lie, numbers don't.
There used to be a donate tab but BFG didn't even like it being up there and he took it down soon after. I think that it's going to fall on the members again. Not just the ppl posting the bullshit pics. But the ppl up voting them. They are no better.
Fucking roughneck... Some people never learn lol
Cheap MotelsCan you really improve on original? This site has had many changes and I feel all but one was for the better. I still can't get over not having the last post on eroids to the right on the page. Jump in a brand new cadilac and then try one out from the 70s. I have spent some time on several other forums and this is by far the best layout. If I was going to make a site like this I would use eroids as a model. I love the site but that does not mean it is perfect. As with anything if you do not improve someone else will.
I really don't understand where anyone gets the time to come up so fast. i see a couple guys that started the same monnth that i did, have advanced tags and over 300 upvotes. i got a lot of mine from gearpics but you woulx have to understand that at the same time i found this place i had the most financially successful period in my life. so all the new access and srcs to choose from, i was goin around the place like a little kid in a toystore. over the last 2 months i havnt really been ordering anything or posting gearpics though so i think its getting evened out. it will be that for a while cause I'm probably stocked for the next 2 years, much of it i may never use. i do post in forums, but I'm not really comfortable giving advice so its mostly selfish posts when i need a question.answered or a worry alleviated. So i have 140 karma points, 40 upvotes and 9 downvotes i think. downvotes are either spam mostly and a few got my gear gtg reviews. i have seen guys that started 5-6 months ago, same as me with adv tags near 350 upvotes and as many downvotes as me. I'm not knocking anyone just wonderingg where the time comes from. i love to read thru archives there is a lot to learn in forums, all of them. i spend several hrs a day on this site one way or the other, i think i wanna be morree advanced before i have an adv tag tho.
Award points for giving good advice and donating their time to the forums. Other than that, you get to post a single self shot post (you can put multiple pics in a single post so all the silly "Monday I post my legs , Tuesday my guns" , etc. is out the window) per month
And a gear pic that is attached to your 1 review per order. All open for karma as some reviews/pics are better than others.
Putting a cap on karma in pics is good in theory. But think about it. What if you post a pic of a very important concern and show that concern in the pic. Like a pube floating in a bottle. That is a pretty important pic and I would want to know where that came from. It's valuable to us all. But there is a cap on karma. So you get the same 3 points (or whatever) that the guy who posted his single bottle of test p. Is that fair? Or do you think the person with the helpful, informative pic/review is deserving of a little more? Is just my opinion but I'm just a manly girl with a tucked panty sausage in my progress pic. What do I know.
What you just said is the most insanely idiotic thing I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling incoherent rambling were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having heard it. I award you no points and may god have mercy on your soul.
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This is Not a bad idea actually
StevebBilly Madison
StevebBiggest karma whore ever was ZEWI. That dude became advanced over night. Even his new accouts would get 100 karma points a day.
Who?
StevebWho what?
chewi
Cheap MotelsIt was his whole group
That little crew took over here for a bit. Pissed some regulars off. They always get what's coming to them though. That includes MODs
i remember one time where i told him to stop spamming the forums with his bullshit "rage" posts, and he went nuts. even that fucker's wife started insulting me. that fuckin bitch.
I'm very interested in hearing about why that last sentence was thrown in there
Just saying there have been plenty of people coming and going, as in banned and seen plenty of MODs go along the way too. Wasn't thrown in there, was just to demonstrate to the newer folk that nobody is untouchable or above the watchful eye of our hard working MODs. Just as it should be.
What did you think I meant mate? Maybe what I wrote was interpreted in a way I didn't mean.
You are right brother......... even the mightiest of eroids warriors can fall.
Its a bit like real life here..... only has good as our last results, and a mans back can only be stabbed so many times before he hits the deck.
Thats life!...... even cyber life unfortunately :(
Been some really big names along the way. Haven't got a clue as to why any of them went. Got to be honest I don't make it my business to know.
The fact that these names have gone along the way should tell anybody joining that however big you think you are here, your going down if you act up. There is a fairness to that, that I respect.
StevebThe private group they made to give each other karma. I remeber it was like 4 main dudes involved. "Getting shit done crew".
Couple of those members are still here, bro. And honestly, they're pretty knowledgeable. Believe it or not, the group you're talking about was solely about providing information for everyone to read. Also, it's almost impossible to rack up karma with group posts. There are no thumbs up or down buttons in groups. Never has been.
RustyhookerFunny thing is what two dudes came back as two different sources and scammed folks yet again even after folks were warned loudly?
If there's more to it then I'd strongly suggest you post it up along with your own "selfie".
¤glove thrown¤ lol
Funny thing with people like steveb "think" they knew something yet know nothing. I still remember getting many pm from you asking for karma and getting it back then. Lol!
Cheap MotelsHere is my opinion. You try to have a image of a perfect person but that is far from the truth. You crazy karma is what it is crazy. You police everything which to a point helps but you take it to a extreme. I bet you peep hundreds of profiles a day in hopes to find stats missing. You seem to.me that kid in school that always had to tell on everyone. This really seems like a shady cover up. Seems like you think if you can make enough people look bad you will look good. There was over a thousand views on this page and you was the only one to attempt to publicly humiliate someone. Someone that was not breaking rules but might have bent the shit out of them. You broke the rules and you did it for gain. You see a problem like that you should think about pming the guy and letting him know that he is walking a line. I am not a mod and they might like you doing all of this but I am just saying public view. 1200 karma from helping people is amazing and if that is truly the case I am impressed. Couple years I spent and did not make 450. All I did was help and few labs and gear pics.
StevebHow is that a question?
StevebIf that were true you would have ratted a long time ago. Damn you must read everything I write daily.
And I did not say anything that was not true. You even apologized for being in that karma whore group so what is your point? it's all here
http://www.eroids.com/forum/general/off-topic/karma-whores-banned-perman...
RustyhookerYup. Post is still there. You wizard guru at the computer.
You been whining non stop over a year now. Like there's something you got on me. Post it. Have the mods check. Or basically mtfu and move on. The two dumbasses in that group got busted how many times? Banned repeatedly. Scammed under 2 source names. You ever think for a second....GUILT BY ASSOCIATION? Yet, I'm still here helping folks daily. What do YOU offer to eroids? You run around like a sissyman neggin or crap talking everyones selfpix. That's helpful? You got beef because your weakness is that you don't try to help. You just whine nonstop.
So what's your beef? Jealous much?
http://www.eroids.com/pics/mighty-midget
Here ya go. Go rip on this one. Then let's see your pix Mr brave....
Cheap MotelsYou have made a ton of improvement in that pic. You should be proud.
StevebFunny how I never mentioned your name, I was just talking about KARMA WHORES and you show up. 12233 comments Since: Mar 14th, 2013. Where do you find the time? I don't have any beef but I am creeped out that you stalk me on here.
You're still here because you keep making new accounts, Monster666 does the same thing should he get credit as well?
Ok not sure where all this stuff is coming from. I can only read this shit on my phone but I see a lot of personal attacks from low ranking members against someone that has helped me a lot. As in low ranking I mean just started an account yes. Wtf. I can't keep up with all the bullshit with members being banned and stuff. Or haven't been here long enough to see trends. I think it's bs. I haven't been here long but I can see people have personal adgendas or vendettas against someone. Make up a lot of accounts and attack. Get a life. Get to Fuck.
Benny BlancoGet to fuck?
Yep. Quoting someone very high ranking on here when he got pissed. Not saying who. But you got my point. I am who I am. Never been here before, I have no agendas. Some people have obviously spent a lot of time here in the past and built this sight to what it is and I appreciate that. If that's you I am sorry. I also have seen a lot of attacks on someone from multiple angles and I think it's bs. Sorry but I call a spade a spade.
Cheap MotelsI pmed you.
Cheap Motelsmaybe pm the guy that you think is wrong and explain it to him or call them out by name.
I see a lot of ideas for changing the system. Some are actually really good. Don't not so much.
1). Stop giving karma for gear pics.
Here's the problem with that. You do remember buying that bottle of test e in the gym and dying to get online to check the images on google to see if they match? I do. Or the sust amps. We all had Karachi at some point. Your boy says "yo those are bootleg homie" and you don't wana believe it and again can't wait to get home to check the google images for a match. Those images are coming from the top AAS sites on the planet. Well who is number 1? We are! So those images are your gear pics. It's an important part of the site. But I don't think you guys should be bumping karma for a pic of a bottle of test prop. If there's an impressive stash or big order , letting us know you got it.
2). Put a cap on karma in pics!
Not bad. I can see that. 5 point max with all the upvotes you can handle. Works for me.***
This one is classic,...
3). Have a book and bail system implemented for karma whores
If you get caught in a circle jerk or whoring for pics you get a temp ban (booked) and you can return after x amount of days with a warning and a points dock depending on the level of the offense. Do it again and you get booked with a temp ban but this time no ROR. You gotta pay bail to get back on. $25 fee to the eroids fund. Help pay for the server or any other expenses the boss has. Get 3 months probation (no karma awarded during probation). Do it a third time you're permabanned unless you pay $100 bail and get 3-6 months probation (no karma awarded during probation) with a reset of your score upon your return.
Now I'll admit this is kinda ghetto. But it's actually not a bad idea
AnonI like it
Cheap Motels3 is amazing idea. Little tweak and that is what I am talking about. +1 for gear pics but that is all you get maybe. 1 a week. Selfies I do not think there should be a cap on votes just cap on # of pics posted. I like the selfies though I think it takes a lot of balls to post and it is a real motivator.
RustyhookerGreat motivator and folks headed towards stage can get feedback before the judging.
Cheap MotelsI have $50 to free ACE
StevebI'll pay $200 to keep Ace banned. I disliked him ever since he had the name Monster666
Cheap MotelsRIGHT I remember now
Benny BlancoYou guys are dicks.
StevebI think he was also Papaswole
Cheap MotelsI would like to see old papaswole. I know a guy that is dieing to meet him.
StevebDid he pay papa lots of cash for regurgitated advice?
Cheap MotelsNo but that was very sad. No joke you bring that up really screwed up my mood. Thanks.