+ 5 Karma is meaningless? U sure?
I have a question. Well a couple questions. First,.. Is anyone confused on what is considered karma whoring?
Give me a list of things you would consider pimping yourself out for points? Let's clear the air.
I already know how much karma means to some of you. And how proud you are of the tag next to your pic. But I'll be honest. About 80% of you who sky rocketed up to advanced or higher in a year or less , you didn't get those points from being an AAS guru and helping everyone in the forum. I can count maybe 10 people in the last 12 months who really dedicate their time to help with cycles and other questions. Other than them, it's almost ALL from posting pics one after another after another like we don't see the patterns. Some even send Mass PM's telling ppl to check out their pics without actually saying "hey give me some karma".
I'm making it clear here and now! I'm going to start digging through ppls karma closely to look for patterns. I hope you don't have a little clique of friends who circle jerk each other's karma because It might just disappear from your page. If you think you might fall under the spotlight and want to come clean, I might let you go with a warning and a doc. Karma may not be important in reality but wait, you sure about that? Because I know of sources who send shit loads of gear to high ranking members in promos thanking them for their service to the site. So there is a lot of free gear at stake which makes it very important to a lot of ppl.
If I find anything suspect and it reveals anything obviously underhanded, unless you came clean , you won't be shown any mercy.
I see a lot of ideas for changing the system. Some are actually really good. Don't not so much.
1). Stop giving karma for gear pics.
Here's the problem with that. You do remember buying that bottle of test e in the gym and dying to get online to check the images on google to see if they match? I do. Or the sust amps. We all had Karachi at some point. Your boy says "yo those are bootleg homie" and you don't wana believe it and again can't wait to get home to check the google images for a match. Those images are coming from the top AAS sites on the planet. Well who is number 1? We are! So those images are your gear pics. It's an important part of the site. But I don't think you guys should be bumping karma for a pic of a bottle of test prop. If there's an impressive stash or big order , letting us know you got it.
2). Put a cap on karma in pics!
Not bad. I can see that. 5 point max with all the upvotes you can handle. Works for me.***
This one is classic,...
3). Have a book and bail system implemented for karma whores
If you get caught in a circle jerk or whoring for pics you get a temp ban (booked) and you can return after x amount of days with a warning and a points dock depending on the level of the offense. Do it again and you get booked with a temp ban but this time no ROR. You gotta pay bail to get back on. $25 fee to the eroids fund. Help pay for the server or any other expenses the boss has. Get 3 months probation (no karma awarded during probation). Do it a third time you're permabanned unless you pay $100 bail and get 3-6 months probation (no karma awarded during probation) with a reset of your score upon your return.
Now I'll admit this is kinda ghetto. But it's actually not a bad idea
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So I'm posting this at the request of a fellow member who could not post it themselves due to some different reasons I dont even understand lol. So just just wanna make that clear, these are not my thoughts, just helping out a fellow eroider who sent me a message asking to post this for them.
"The problem with the karma system is not the people who post pictures. Posting all the time is stupid, but it gives you no karma. The problem with the system is the people giving the karma. People need to think before they click, is this picture appropriate, helpful, a good representation of eroids? Most likely the answer is no, then do not up vote that picture. Make a comment, "nice pic bro" or whatever but do not give people karma just for the hell of it. Limiting the amount of points per picture is not a good idea. I have seen people get 30+ hits but it's normally because of amazing progress or fast results. I have also seen incredibly out of shape people get tons of karma, and this blows my mind. If a person posts a shot and they look like they have never touched a weight, why are you giving them karma?
IMHO Gear pics should not be availble for karma. Post the pic sure, but only because you need to show what you got. Too many people post the same vials in different poses over and over and over that's ridiculous."
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I miss some of the funny stories that were told. I remember one where one of our more colorful members told a story leading to a situation where he discovered his girl was cheating on him. It was very sad until he mentioned that he crept into the backyard and hid behind his dumb bells to spy on her when it occurred to him, "Need to incorporate more fly's into my chest routine!" He had everybody going for a while. It was an entertaining read.
I think a lot of it has to do with people being afraid to talk about cycles for fear of being flamed or worse in trouble for talking about a cycle that borders advanced or just intermediate.
We used to talk shit about all going on a cruise to meet other members face to face. It was all fantasy but it was fun.
I agree, eroids has not been as lively and fun as it used to be.
There are still some great parts to it though. Members have found a place to come and vent or to talk about some of the trials and tribulations they have been through and other members have come to their aid. There is still a lot of heart here at eroids. I guess it is just a matter of time of riding the wave until it gets good again.
I suppose the fact that this was bumped at all speaks to the titles accuracy. So weird. I get it, I swear I get it. I used to love coming here. It was fun! I laughed. I helped countless ppl. And eventually I started working here. Well I'm into year 4 and I've seen things turn over a few times. But never have I seen the site as bleak as it seems now. It's straight crickets in the sections that used to pop. The SI pages are all that's on fire. And promo threads. But that's about it. Ohh wait, there's a bunch of posts and groups dedicated to the bashing of other members for one reason or another. I put my stamp of approval on that fan boy group thread. That is one move I would take back. It's ugly.
So karma is still the topic of conversation Huh? Ehhh
AnonSo you're saying this place is not what it was?
What can we do about that
I can sort of see that.... Hell i woulda never known the si is whats poppin i dont look in there much cause the topics are never what it should be and and im fuckin sick of that
I dont give two squirrels nuts about who jimmy joe fucked last night and i dont care if the wildcats are in the world series
I was in the archives looking for a bit of info a few days ago reading old posts and the conversations we used to have were absolutely what we all used to be about.. those conversations don't happen any longer
Anonim new here, watched for a few months before joining, i literally thought there was a error or hiccup with the site due to no new posts in forums?? i hear crickets too, weird.
I just looked how many forum topics you have started... Guess what?........... is says ZERO!!
You want some action and new posts?... then get your thumb out your fkn ass and quit relying on fuckers like me to spill my heart and experiences into the board everyday!
TAKE,TAKE,TAKE.... Thats all you fucks do instead of giving and building a stronger community..... quit the fuck whining and do something positive to make a difference .... you call yourself TESTPRO right!.... then teach the board about test............ i personally have injected my own fkn blood into this site what for?... negative fucks like you to come along and whine about fucking CRICKETS!!
Anoni sent you a friend request mate- if possible, thanks. sorry again
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkAnonsorry viking, i didnt mean it to be negative, i responded to what was said above, it said about crickets from the nitti guy, didnt mean it in a negative way at all, i apoligise for it coming out that way, what i meant was i logged in yesterday and today it was the same, i thought thee was an error thats why i asked, sorry again, did not mean to sound negative. sorry
I always thought Karma showed knowledge. Anyone can sit here and type all day but, I would not expect a thumbs up unless what I was saying was valuable.
Its funny to see those who have been on the forum for 2 months with hundreds of Karma points. People are under the impression that Karma = knowledge. Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of those who "earned" their points, but they don't really care. It does suck when you can't get in on promos but hey thats not why I'm here. Love the community and thank you for the past 3 years.....
I don't have any requirements for promos...
There is 3 from me, that should get you in on any promo that comes through.
I would peg my karma at 0 and keep it there if I could
I don't feel the same way as you do about karma bro, but if anyone deserves it and is getting it for the right reasons it's you bro. All I have ever seen you do here is help people and give excellent advice. You are the example of the karma system working at it's best.
If you want to give those karma you got to me, I'll take them. See what I nice guy I am - so helpful with this karma problem! (I am joking - I'd better say that for the record before a riot starts
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I like the idea of a karma cap on pics. I would like to see better format for cycle logs that ties in the complete process. Example: pre cycle pic, pre BW if needed, gear pic, your cycle layout), progress pic, mid cycle bw, source and gear review, post cycle bw and progress pic. All in one journal entry.
No karma until cycle completion. Not that all of the above is required but an honest attempt to lay out start to finish cycle.
Suggestion: A placement test. Like the one you take for college, if you didn't take the SAT. This will make it a little clearer where everyone stands, knowledge wise. The tag could be clickable, so that you could see the members strengths and weaknesses. As you gain knowledge, retake the test. This would promote learning as well. Like so many people have said in the past, I'm sick of seeing "ADV" members that don't look like they ever work out (weight lifting, running, ANYTHING), giving advice. The only time it's good advice is when it's regurgitated. Which could be problematic. I've been on here for a couple years, and only have a couple of points. I'm no guru, but my cycles are productive and I could help others. I'm afraid of losing the two points that I have though, just because some skinny kid with a ton of points doesn't agree with me.
It's not a perfect system, but the issue is more how it's viewed IMO. People shouldn't confuse the numbers with knowledge, it's more about longevity and to a degree contribution to the site.
This test idea has been mentioned before. The problem is, why would anyone do it? I for one wouldn't. I'm not here to sit tests, I did that at school and university. To be honest, for 90% of instances nobody here is in a position to decide what's right and wrong anyway, merely what's "the eroids way" and what isn't.
The problem is the majority of knowledge about AAS is personal experience and is subjective by nature. How do you measure someone's knowledge with those parameters?
The only way for you to genuinely know if someone kniws what they're doing is to go through their posts and make your own judgement. I don't have a better solution I'm afraid.
I was thinking about it being from a scientific approach. Since the guys that know that end are usually the most experienced and helpful, or at least seem to be. However, as I frequently cite when science it the topic of discussion, what I learned in 6th grade science differed from 9th grade science, which differed from college science. In science hypothesis is touted as fact, thus the frequent changes.
You have a valid point though.
Although I still like the test idea, it seems that I was confused about a few things, which have been cleared up for me. I feel comfortable getting more involved now.
The science approach is where the problem lies. I'm a biochemist for a living ;) but I'll take Viking or trenabolic's advice over mine with cycles any day of the week purely due to personal experience.
RustyhookerFunny thing about helping others is two famous trainers or very knowledgeable people. Neither looks like they could fight out of a wet bag, yet folks listen closely. Dan duchaine.....and Llewellyn. I could post a huge list of folks training, knowledgeable and/or doing stage prep. Was just watching Charles Glass train a top ifbb pro as another one.
I wouldn't think twice about taking advice from someone that looks like Charles Glass. Of course there is an exception to every rule. I don't know the background of Duchaine or Llewellyn, but I'm guessing that it differs from the average eroid user. And let's be honest, everyone knows what I'm talking about, the guys that have been working out for a year or two and juicing the whole time and still haven't made any progress. I've seen you around and you always seem like you know what you're talking about. I wouldn't be reluctant in the least to take your advice, I'm pretty sure I have actually, but there are people on here with that "ADV" tag that can't help with shit. You have to know what I'm talking about. I always see comments saying that certain things should only be discussed in "advanced" threads. Does that mean that you need that tag to discuss such topics?
RustyhookerI understand what ya mean in that realm. I removed 1000 karma back at Christmas to not be in the Exp tag.
I guess my jist is there's good folks in here that know their area. If it's food I hit those folks up as they stay lean and large. Powerlifter, I chat with those folks. Etc etc.
The picture posters, ya they're the demise of earned tags. Sad reality is we control it to a degree. One hand we'll bitch about exp that helps noone but who gave them the karma? It's a double edged sword of types. I wish I had the answer to that one.
If I see someone pop out with great info, I check their main page. Read their forums. Follow em a bit to see if it's consistent. There's some folks you'll never see day to day that'll pop in and blow the mind.
Most people wouldn't do that. I do the same thing, when I notice someone I'll go through and read their posts.
As I said in my original comment, if there were a placement test to give the appropriate tag, the tag could be clickable to show where a members strengths are. So you would know that someone was an expert in nutrition, or what have you.
I stumble upon my own answer about the advance forums and requested to join.
Danny. Karma really doesn't mean that much to the right people. While I have suggested a way similar to yours before it would not impact the overall community. If for some reason you were to strip anybody with high karma points away from them, if they didn't take it personal, it would not matter. Karma is a good way for new people to get an immediate picture of who they are dealing with. If you stripped all of my karma from me I would still write posts the way I do and help people and people would still know me as that guy who writes good posts or that guy that helps people. You have been here for several years and you know who Vike is; right? Would you not take his advice because his karma was low. I got here just after he did and it was his experience and helpful information that catapulted him to the top. But when he started no one cared that he didn't have karma, just that his information was invaluable. I would rather be known on eroids for my informative posts and helping people than a guy with tons of karma. I have been here for only three years and have significantly less karma that people I helped several years ago. But I would not have it any other way!
I see my name mentioned so i may as well just drop this post here, (it could be anywhere in the thread but heres fine by me.)
Let me just explain my way of dropping knowledge for those that are interested in growing their rep.
Look left... yeah thats right my avatar just at the side of this comment box... yes that picture is yours truly (me) taking a 1st place trophy at a Masters over 50 comp ( 6wks after turning 50 put me into that category)..... now i could have piccies from when i was 25/35/45 etc but i thought no lets keep my eroids adventure real from day one and use an up to date pic showing me at least 2 stone (28lbs) lighter than body weight i held in my 30s and 40s etc.
From the start i have only ever given out info and knowledge about things that i have experienced first hand, never ever quoted stuff from books/journals and the only thing i have ever copied/pasted have been links to Wiki and that kind of directory websites simply to back up my words and findings.
Lots disagree with things i have said and done because some science paper they dug up says something different than what i said, even though they have never seen a picture of the authors of these papers they still unbelievably stand by what they read and call the rest of us dummies, basically saying our methods are wrong somehow?......... Delorean thought he could build a better car than Ford? yeah! you get the picture lol.
What i try to do... no! i mean what i cannot help myself from doing is to lead by example.... meaning i take my own medicine and do undertake all of the strict disciplines i preach on a daily basis, no other way would be right and i would refrain from even speaking on these boards if this was not the case.
Anyway... thats enough babble from me for today, just hope this helps guys that seriously want to climb the ranks here and grow ballistic karma lol............ keep it real guys, self pics hold thousands of words and the credence behind good ones is invaluable to a wannabee eroids Guru....... be aware! .. if you are known has a Big mouth, or a Big user and your selfies look like you have just left school or the physique does not match your words lol... the guys will not tell you straight up on your thread but instead will simply have you pegged as a shit talker and you will be DOOMED.
Have a great day................. catch you later bros
Excellent and real as it gets. Be as honest as you can with yourself and in turn the rest of us and you will be fine here. If you even for a second try to BS your way through here it will catch up with you. There are simply too many really smart dudes here that pay attention to details.
Of course, he def knows his shit.
I was a under the impression that you had to have the "ADV" tag to participate in the advanced topics forum. I see now that you just have to be accepted.
It was a closed group... not sure now? i havnt been in for a while.
AnonScared of losing two points? Lol dude do you think if you lost the two points you would be viewed any different I dont? But yea there are some on here that are caught up in that but there are some of us that are not... I like to help people and I also like to see people help others even more so if I see you trying to help other with some constructive shit I'm gonna give you thumbs up and im sure there are others who will too
But like I said it's gotta be good stuff... And again I wouldn't be scared to say shit especially if you know your giving out good advice and especially good personal experiences... That's what I like is personal experiences and is what I like to share
I get the impression that if you drop too low in karma, you're banned. Am I wrong about that? What makes me nervous is that I got 3 points for posting a pic of gear (of all the horrible reasons), and one was deducted shortly after trying to help someone out. Getting banned is what worries me. I have a job where everyone uses steroids, and I'm the guy that is always helping the other guys with their cycles. I'm open about my use with people in my life and people in the gym, because I firmly believe that it's important for people to be informed. For example, this guy I used to work with, was getting ready to do his first cycle. 700 test e and 700 tren e. I tried to sway him from this but it was impossible, so, I tried to help him with it. Also impossible. Said he didn't need to worry about gyno cuz he was taking clomid, and "his guy" has never heard of prolactin. Then added, "plus I've never seen a Mexican with gyno." I want to help, I really do, but there are a lot of idiots. He went from 230 14%bf to 260 12%bf in 8 wks at 5' 10", but it was his first cycle, he could have done just text for 12 wks and got close to that. Point being that people always think they know better and will argue to no end if their "guy" told them.
AnonNo you won't
If you get like -50 you get to be a troll cause your obviously doing something wrong if u get that low
Okay, I just always see people with a low negative score that are banned. Thanks.
Rule breaking is what will get you banned. Not Karma.
I can see how you get your impression though. People who are on a downward spiral karma wise are often repeatedly, and flagrantly, breaking the rules.
Sometimes it seems they do not want to go quietly into the dark.
AnonNobody will be banned because their karma is too low
T-clawhaha dude you so right do ppl even squat anymore, oh i forgot its bad to go past parallel when you squat lmaooo,your right though bet a bunch dont even train
I've trained at gyms in a few states, and the one commonality that they all have is a 3:1 bench to squat rack ratio.
should just get rid of this stupid karma shit entirely, then the people that really want to help people will continue to do so and the people that are doing shit just for the points will fuck off. the site would be better for it.
AnonYearly subscription fee gets you a basic tag which karma grows from that point..need to pay fee yearly or wiped out of hard work..no fee is lurker
This will clean the place up of the riff raff IMO
How about weighted karma? points given in posts that help the community being the heaviest like three points. Points given as advice in someone's post being two points and points for legit pictures being one. The tag could be determined from the stats page and the amount of qualified advice given and posts written to help the community.
Instead of just posting a picture of your gains or transformation also post a write up of what your diet plan looked like and your lifting regiment. This along with your experience on the compound would benefit the community greatly! This is more than just a picture but also a document that gives a map to success.
AnonPlease dont dig on mine nitti bro..im sorry community..it was wrong, I now know:P
Would be cool of there was some kind of time clock and counter to log how long you browse the site and different posts each day reading up and the system could award karma based on things like that and for how many years you have been a active member here .
supermansson11PS.I agree also nitti.and finally got in my 1st.promo.can't wait.
supermansson11I lije my my little karna u gotta except I got jacked had 100 this morn.later on 98 don't know who neg.or took not sure why sucjs but its OK.don't know why people besides modes jack karma mods have a real reason members really don't.
I think it's an excellent idea, nitti you should start looking in to this nonsense.
I made a stupid mistake recently and seen with my own eyes on how this little crew can wipe 21 points easy in one day, because they don't agree with you. I could imagen if they did like some one.
The fact that I got most of my points helping people and not kissing ass or posting pics really hurts. That explains why most members like me don't care about karma.
And you still refuse to take any responsibility for why it happened. That is the flaw in your logic. I have given you solid advice to stay off the radar for a few yet you chose to ignore it. Don't be surprised when that "little crew" sees this post and reacts again... SMH
Your 100% right. I take responsibility and I apologize to who ever I offened, all I'm saying is people should not jump to conculsions brother.
I apoligize to you pale, I listen to your advice and will restrain form posting for a while, Again I'm sorry to those I have offened, it was not my intent.
Right on..onward and upward
Speaking of free stuff Nitti, in my opinion I think it's time to start looking at the latest "free promo" to higher level members. You could probably match up 1/2 of the names to the last three previous "FREE STUFF" promos. I'm not a rich man at all but I haven't jumped the gun since my karma went up because it's fucking impossible to use the stuff right away and leave an HONEST REVIEW! This is pretty pathetic that the same people only jump on the free promos and you NEVER SEE THEM on a promo with only a money discount AND NOTHING FREE. It's starting to make you think that if nobody has money for gear, how the fuck would they have any money for a gym membership or food (or what their true motives as a member are). This is right up there with sources sending out free samples to higher ranking members for an "HONEST" review. Kinda sad...
Another free promo up...same old names :/
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