+ 5 Karma is meaningless? U sure?
I have a question. Well a couple questions. First,.. Is anyone confused on what is considered karma whoring?
Give me a list of things you would consider pimping yourself out for points? Let's clear the air.
I already know how much karma means to some of you. And how proud you are of the tag next to your pic. But I'll be honest. About 80% of you who sky rocketed up to advanced or higher in a year or less , you didn't get those points from being an AAS guru and helping everyone in the forum. I can count maybe 10 people in the last 12 months who really dedicate their time to help with cycles and other questions. Other than them, it's almost ALL from posting pics one after another after another like we don't see the patterns. Some even send Mass PM's telling ppl to check out their pics without actually saying "hey give me some karma".
I'm making it clear here and now! I'm going to start digging through ppls karma closely to look for patterns. I hope you don't have a little clique of friends who circle jerk each other's karma because It might just disappear from your page. If you think you might fall under the spotlight and want to come clean, I might let you go with a warning and a doc. Karma may not be important in reality but wait, you sure about that? Because I know of sources who send shit loads of gear to high ranking members in promos thanking them for their service to the site. So there is a lot of free gear at stake which makes it very important to a lot of ppl.
If I find anything suspect and it reveals anything obviously underhanded, unless you came clean , you won't be shown any mercy.
I see a lot of ideas for changing the system. Some are actually really good. Don't not so much.
1). Stop giving karma for gear pics.
Here's the problem with that. You do remember buying that bottle of test e in the gym and dying to get online to check the images on google to see if they match? I do. Or the sust amps. We all had Karachi at some point. Your boy says "yo those are bootleg homie" and you don't wana believe it and again can't wait to get home to check the google images for a match. Those images are coming from the top AAS sites on the planet. Well who is number 1? We are! So those images are your gear pics. It's an important part of the site. But I don't think you guys should be bumping karma for a pic of a bottle of test prop. If there's an impressive stash or big order , letting us know you got it.
2). Put a cap on karma in pics!
Not bad. I can see that. 5 point max with all the upvotes you can handle. Works for me.***
This one is classic,...
3). Have a book and bail system implemented for karma whores
If you get caught in a circle jerk or whoring for pics you get a temp ban (booked) and you can return after x amount of days with a warning and a points dock depending on the level of the offense. Do it again and you get booked with a temp ban but this time no ROR. You gotta pay bail to get back on. $25 fee to the eroids fund. Help pay for the server or any other expenses the boss has. Get 3 months probation (no karma awarded during probation). Do it a third time you're permabanned unless you pay $100 bail and get 3-6 months probation (no karma awarded during probation) with a reset of your score upon your return.
Now I'll admit this is kinda ghetto. But it's actually not a bad idea
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So I'm posting this at the request of a fellow member who could not post it themselves due to some different reasons I dont even understand lol. So just just wanna make that clear, these are not my thoughts, just helping out a fellow eroider who sent me a message asking to post this for them.
"The problem with the karma system is not the people who post pictures. Posting all the time is stupid, but it gives you no karma. The problem with the system is the people giving the karma. People need to think before they click, is this picture appropriate, helpful, a good representation of eroids? Most likely the answer is no, then do not up vote that picture. Make a comment, "nice pic bro" or whatever but do not give people karma just for the hell of it. Limiting the amount of points per picture is not a good idea. I have seen people get 30+ hits but it's normally because of amazing progress or fast results. I have also seen incredibly out of shape people get tons of karma, and this blows my mind. If a person posts a shot and they look like they have never touched a weight, why are you giving them karma?
IMHO Gear pics should not be availble for karma. Post the pic sure, but only because you need to show what you got. Too many people post the same vials in different poses over and over and over that's ridiculous."
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AnonFor folks who don't know how the site works things like your example don't bother me. This site can be intimidating to some and infuriating to others. But the karma thing is bullshit IMO. It's the last thing any respective member should be concerned about. If you're new ok I get it. But for those of us who've laid down foundation work karma doesn't equal respect. Your works are what precede you not some number.
RustyhookerIm up for it. Forces me to get knee deep in research projects for new forum material.
How about a slightly different angle? Instead of detailing how points were earned with codes, how about a different tag if you earn x amount of karma from the forum? Lose the tags altogether except for those that have earned a certain amount from advice in forums? Maybe different tags that only mods can award that show thus person is a solid advisor / mentor? I've thrown this idea around before, certain people being giving something that identifies them as a cycle advisor, food advisor, training advisor etc.
I'm proud of the fact that I'd bet 90% of my karma comes from the forums. The rest from gear pics, I don't post self pics due to my line of work and contractual restrictions. I do worry about some of the danger of people with little knowledge dishing out advice because they have an adv tag, but is that enough to make me think it's worth a huge amount of BFG's time to modify? I'm not convinced.
Chucking some ideas into the pot......
AnonI may be 50 /50
i know my karma sky rocketed when i started giving advice the first time zewi and cdaddy git banned and i stepped up with advice... it will be nice to be recignized its just complucated when u cobtrubute tto the site in different ways
I think this is a great idea. The 'value' of karma would increase. You've earned the majority of your karma from the forum, I know that because I see you in the forums helping people very day. Others have been here for like 10 minuets and they almost have as much as you. They may not have a clue what they are doing because they gained most of their points from pics but the new eroider coming in asking for advise is going to trust our system to tell them that this guy is the real deal and he's not. Now this is in my opinion worthy of BFG's time to sort out. It will make the site safer.
I like the idea myself. I've never posted any gear pics and only two self shots but one I asked for no karma. I've earned all my karma in the forums and cycle logs. Be nice to be recognized by tag where u earn your stripes here
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Hell ya. This is a great idea.
Anonill be quick to say it
If we do this karma label thing mine will come back more karma earned from pics cause i laid off the forums after a certain incident occured
So what would that mean... i still help out every now and then in open but more so in pm
Really and honestly i dont mind whatever they do with the karma system ... they always seem to do what is best for the site... every now and then i go into the forums .. i watch the si 's and i get alot of pm asking advice... its that simple.. yall do what you need to with the karma im ok with whatever you decide cause im sure it will be in the best interests
AnonPut a colored frame around pic tag and karma number. The color could coincide with how you got the majority of your points. Through insightful comments/posts, reviews, informative extensively researched forum posts. A different color for majority of karma from pics. Yeah this is raw and needs a lot of tweeking. I'm one of the dudes that got karma mostly from pics. I've made that clear through post. I made a post I titled the righteous and the wicked about being careful who you take your advice from. There should be a way for members especially new ones. To know if a high ranking member knows their shit or not. Should pics get karma? Yes. For reasons Nitti stated also for the selfies that show if your practicing what you preach. There are a lot of hi karma members who burn up google posting regurgitated information. Seeming to be a steroid scientist. Then they post a selfie and look like the fat kid with the stupid ass laugh that bullies Bart Simpson. I've gotten way off the discussion points. Lol. The karma thing is a trick bag. How to police it, keep it honest, ect. I would love to see a contribution program. Like a bronze, silver, gold, platinum status. This site has been the biggest positive in my life since I married my wife. I'd pony up some thank you money.
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkCheap MotelsThe biggest bullshit vote is the review. Then it is the selfie. Gear Pic I would guess would be fine but could be limited to 1. New guys need to gain karma some how. At least they have to be a shill or have ordered. So if we could try starting with reviews and selfies that would be a good test.
New guys do need to earn karma some how. I think it should be by reading, learning and helping people in the forums using their own experience.
It would take longer to get karma and it would involve a lot more work. As a group of people who appreciate, dedicated, persistent, hard working individuals that give back to the community, would this not be the perfect way to gain karma instead of the quick pic with loads of karma gained. A shortcut to karma if you like. I thought we didn't agree with the shortcut mentality?
Cheap MotelsNew guy and helping people just to get karma is scarey. They could get karma by building a proper cycle.
Didn't say they should jump straight into cycle help. They would need to gain the experience first. Experienced steroid users would start gaining right away as they could pass on their knowledge (if they choose to contribute).
So the people who contribute most and with the most knowledge would have the most karma. Doesn't sound too crazy to me.
Benny BlancoSelf pics show whether or not you know wtf you're doing though. Maybe I missed a part of the conversation, but I don't see how that's BS.
RustyhookerNot always.
Folks like to jump up and point at the ripped dude as the all knowing.
Papapump...paid for info
Xvbeast...protag
And dozen others busted with fake pix.
And lets not forget the Buffed ripped competitors that NEVER did their own cycles. They paid coaches and got no clues. Lil bit of photochop anyone?
And constantly returning guys getting karma from old buddies. Working the system.
Cheap MotelsI think the debate is if people post pics because of attention or karma. I think that most want the recognition and opinions of people.
Benny BlancoAwesome. We can point out exceptions to every rule. Those dudes were not only posting pics, but also in the forums. Soooo....
RustyhookerAnd it fits perfectly with some people believing head over heel that every golden drop of knowledge was real, because their pix. Hella vets pointed out their errors as BS. And their fanboys attacked simply because they looked so good. And then the vets who never ever posted even one picture but they've alwayd got top notch new unregurgitated info.
Cheap Motelsthe pic is not bs its the 50 karma and the posting a selfie every few days.I love the pics. Just look how you got so much karma already.You know the system. Do you think everyone should have that much karma that fast besides zewi? Now the other way is review. I can come back in a new name and ready to vote in couple days by reviews. What I do is look for the source that is boosting the most leave a review and bam I can vote. Know what wants to eliminate the selfies or reviews just the ability to get shit ton of karma. Basically I think a review should be left because it is how a person feels. the possible loss of karma could scare someone from leaving a bad re3view and the possibility to get karma may make someone leave a good review on a product they have not even used.
AnonIts sad but u may have a point on the review
Benny BlancoI'm new here. What's a Zewi? Is that like a gay frog or some shit?
AnonLol
Are you zewi?
Benny BlancoThat's it, thumbs down on all your pics! >:~\
AnonLol
lmfao
hahaha
RustyhookerNice! Good ideas pulling it together tight!
Cheap MotelsI already explained why this isn't a great idea. Or why it won't happen anyway
Cheap MotelsModify a little to gear pic gets 1 karma or no karma but source can post pics. I promise you that if you need to know what your gear looks like the source will post it. Not like they are not posting their own anyway.
I'm pasting this to the top
RustyhookerBelow was idea to fix tags. Is that impossible or difficult? Im not computer savvy.
Cheap Motelselimination takes few minutes. Adding a formula and getting it to work would be a pain in ass. I think
Cheap MotelsCheap MotelsCheap MotelsRustyhookerI cant copy paste with phone but below
Nitti rule 3
Tags changed to show F or designation thats accurate.
Gear pix 1karma flat
Body pix....karmas ? How high?
Benny BlancoStill got a flip phone?
Hell ya I'm rocking a flip phone lol
RustyhookerThe brick. Im THAT old. But i posted body pix ;) . Still lookin like chunk doing truffle shuffle. Lol
or a thick ommpaa loompaa lmfao
RustyhookerHsha! Zippety doo!!
Cheap Motelsim lost
RustyhookerJust tried to bring the different ideas towards top of page. Light turned green...had to go
I've been following, so i guess it's my turn. Get all the new guidelines together. I think that legit karma points for progress pics is a good idea. Keeps motivation high for the real ass busters. Gears pics should be awarded by karma by the srcs. Labs no doubt get karma. With that said just reset everybody's karma and let gets this thing rolling.
Cheap MotelsPeople would cry over a reset. lol I am in though. I think it would be funny. All those source would not be able to figure out who to give gear to.
that is assuming all sources "give" out gear based on Karma... I know several who do not
Cheap MotelsMe too. Or is that Me and you loll
I like my source very much and don't intend to change. He's one of the biggest sources on here and I have yet to receive any information from him regarding free gear. May the Lord be my witness - I didn't know anything about karma = gear until I read about it in this thread. I'm not gonna give the guy any different review today than when I joined eroids and had 1 karma. Or maybe my karma is still too low. Is the magic number 1,000? So someday if I ever get there the flood gates will open and I will be drenched in free gear?