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Every once in a while We see a blood pressure question and the truth is, its probably the biggest health hazard when it comes to doing what we do. Most of the young guys running gear, I was one once upon a time, just look at roid rage as kinda cool often and dont really realize it is likely the result of high blood pressure. High blood pressure could be responsible for a large percentage of all disease related to cardiovascular or organ issues. We should talk about it more and in my opinion there should be no single person running gear without a BP monitor. I figured it out many years after running my first gear, I thought rage just meant I was a badass! Lol. So anyway my answer is cardio early and often, eat as clean as possible and take my omega3 fish oil along with a few other heart supps....hopefully everyone can drop in their control methods and thoughts. I happen to believe even blood pressure medication is a good thing if you need it when compared to just letting it get out of hand. It is depreciating you which is the opposite of what we are all trying to do to begin with. A motor that runs nice and smooth that granny drives will last longer than one in Goths ride given he just boils the tires at every intersection and thinks he's so fuckin cool with his dollar store jewelry and his felt hat and gold tip cane! TELL US WHATS WORKING FOR YOU....
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Nearly 2 years ago I was cutting for a competition and checked myself into the ER with chest pains. BP was 200/100. Was on clen, test, tren. Since then, I stopped blasting anything but tes and instead only use doses +/- 50mg of my trt script of 50mg/week. I already was doing cardio when my bp hit that mark, but I was also near 270lbs. Right now I sit at 215-220 and feel worlds better. Really, surprisingly, only minor strength loss. Got a monitor and I'm about 150/80. Probably going to complete the arc and go skinny-boy mode at around 205lbs and see if that gets me under 140/80. If so, I'll just look to keep getting stronger and look to maintain that build.
I've seen people mention l arganine in here, I'll have to look into that.
I had my BP and heart rate checked back in the summer at the docs and both were very high, doctor thought the machine was malfunctioning Lol Until I explained I was on steroids then I was looked at like an utter idiot for the rest of the appointment. It was absolutely down to the trenbolone I was on at the time, wasn't running clen or anything like that. I went back to test and NPP and was fine again. Its a shame that its always the stuff thats the most effective that at the same time is a killer for your health!
JaxSamcroHi
Im in your shoes.
I already had 2 Heartattacks (mild) have 8 stents put inside. im 48.
I have to use BRILIQUE 1 morning 1 night (a must) together with "important"= aspirin, every every day, blood will not clog! 1 Aspirin a day 85mg, colosterol is a bandit, because colosterol makes you veines go inflammated, use 80mg/per day of atorvastatin, 1and 1 ezetrol (ezetomb) a day and thats fixed no inflammated veines = no clogs. Meteprolol 1 a day 200mg time released, is for slowing down the heart a bit, Ramipril 10mg's a day to lower your bloodpressure, time released lasix and furix when you need and always have nitro ready, never use nitro with viagra or you can die.
Sounds like a lot But i think better safe than sorry, i feel good now, no problem.
1 meteprolol 200 a day
1 ramipril 5-10mg per day
1 ezetrol 10mg per day
1 aspirin 100mg per day
1 atorvastatin 80mg per day
will save your life basically, cheap life insurance.
1 brilique only if YOU ALREADY HAD A HEART ATTACK
2 MIs and 8 stents.... you are pretty ballsy running gear at all.
I don't think your med regimen is a bit much at all. I think its spot on. The brilinta/brilique/ticagrelor is a great addition I think. Pretty expensive drug but smart for your situation I think.
What was your diet and lifestyle like before the heart attacks?
JaxSamcroHi again,
Well, doing this (BB) since i were 18, can't live without Testo anymore, but that's not what i think a bad thing, because the testosterone is indeed the most wonderful thing out there, and it's ours! It's our natural hormone!
If a woman say " oh help i'm getting old, menupaus bla bla" the doctor is running with a prescription for "HER" natural hormone [estrogen], so that she can feel young and pretty again and horny. If we even mention the word testosterone at the doctor, he look us down and prescribe a viagra hmm...did anybody try a viagra without the "brain libido"?? lol, it's not real, he is down there but your brain doesnt know it lol.
But to answer your question:
I did it all wrong, i ate basically everything, maybe i wasnt going up in fat so much due to training, but my intestines especially the liver grew as fat-liver.
Wine i loved, coffey, beer, to much medication steroids, insulin and gh + igflr3 made me the bad guy at the gym biggest but i could feel something was growing inside me (no i wasnt pregant) my belly was getting bloated.
One day or one week i couldnt go out so good felt bad and then BAM and then again BAM but i was lucky, no harm was done to the heart.
Not like poor Rich Piana RIP, my ambulance was fast and they just took me in directly, a small hole in the wrist arthery up to the heart, and they could see (and me too) on a screen, they discovered some clogs, and they didnt wait, they just put some of these metallic stent baloons (like a net inside), and directly i could feel the difference.
After that i was totally reborn, i think a was more or less used to run around with bad circulation around my heart, and now suddenly it was all open, nothing was heavy in the gym anymore, and no more fainting after air.
And i feel GREAT (2 years since! 2017)
You want to be careful all you or at least take precautions like
take your aspirin , never forget it, its simple, the blood cant clog then, no animal fat and yes cardio!!
You all be fine then, but i was lucky maybe youre not.
So you are Mod here, nice to meet you.
PS. im pretty good at this stuff like blood,heart, colosterol, circulation and the meds for it where how and how much to take, its good to have a little knowledge because we are not getting younger and we can PREVENT shit happens!
Peace
CreamedmyshortsI take fishoil and stay away from salt. Just doing that alone dropped my blood pressure to where its suppose to be. immediately. Which overall helped my nightly run on my back roads with what was 5 pound weights on each leg to that and 20 pounds in my backpack on an off cycle in 2 weeks.
Check out Carditone. Lots of my guys use it.
Nobody talked about L Arginine yet it seems. Helps with blood pressure, better pumps, stronger erection.
If taken daily, at high doses. Needs a few weeks before any results show up.
yes correct arginine produces a certain amount of nitric oxide, a dose dependent, so it works like the PDE5 inhibitors (cialis, viagra, levitra) that lower the pressure
Pression is a very important thing, and every body builder should always keep it under control. The pressure varies according to the weight of the individual, a man of 176 lbs will never have a man's basic pressure of 260 lbs, so a higher pressure for a big man who does not use gears is completely normal! But back to us, as we know the gears raise blood pressure, and this is bad for our heart especially for heart valves! What to do: Take ace inhibitors such as telmisartan 20-60 mg a day as a single dose should suffice, adjust the dose according to the person's pressure, take a beta-blocker such as nebivolol, this drug in addition to lowering the pressure serves to make you for the heart to pump blood properly, without heart failure, 5mg a day is enough. So the combination of both products is ideal. Always take an anti-estrogen during the cycle to partially block the conversion of testosterone into estrogen, estrogens cause water retention and therefore increase pressure. Finally also add the 100mg cardioaspirin, in addition to lowering the pressure, it is an anti-aggregator that allows the platelets to not aggregate and thrombus to form. When gears are used, the body increases the synthesis of cholesterol which by binding to the platelets can cause thrombi that are dangerous for health.
r4zor_reloadedHaha, some of my guys would keep drugs like clonidine on hand for blood pressure. Good post though. I def agree with you that it's important to keep an eye on BP. Should be kinda obvious but nothing is too obvious these days!
Does anybody happen to know what type of meds the pro's actually run to help combat high BP when running larger cycles? A lot of the bigger sources seem to stock a large selection of blood pressure medications I'm assuming for this particular side effect - I can't see any other possible way these guys are able to train effectively or even at all when running such heavy doses of Test, anadrol, E.Q etc.
A lot about being a pro as you probably already know is about how your body processes drugs and the lack of side effects they get. I imagine pros are just like us, find some that suits them (many BP meds come with sides) and use dose of it. Many of us couldn’t take what they take as we would get instant high BP, liver shut down and the rest.
Up until March, I was 197lbs. That's pretty heavy for me at 5' 6", 50 yrs old. I couldn't get my blood pressure under 140+/100+ no matter what I did. Then I got sick with Bronchitis and asthma. Lost weight. I continued to eat light and clean for another month after just to help my body clean out and not have to work all that extra food through. I lost 20lbs total. Got my BP checked. 120/80. 1 point per lb of weight loss. I'm staying at 177 now and people are telling me I look great. I feel small but much healthier. It's swimming weather here too. I'm finally adding some cardio also. That's what works for me.
I take beet root powder,CoQ10 and fish oil.seems to help out quite a bit.I had a reading of 150/98 and it scared me pretty good so I started taking all that stuff and I hold steady about 122/82 now.
Is this true then what a lot of people are saying on here about Cialis lowering blood pressure?!? I've never heard of this before other than it helping out with the obvious lol
Defiantly will help, but Viagra will do the apposite right?
Nope. Both Cialis and Viagra are smooth muscle relaxers which causes vasodilation - meaning they encourage blood vessels to expand, so to speak. Each one works is a different way. Viagra was originally developed to reduce high blood pressure. The main difference between them is their 'half life' - Viagra lasts a couple of hours whereas Cialis can last up to 36 hours. Cialis is currently FDA approved for BPH due to it's long smooth muscle relaxant effect.
Funny thing is mate is I've tried Viagra since I wrote this comment - Got sent some as a freebie with some gear so I popped half a tab just to try it out lol Uuugh made me feel awful - Got a headache, blurry vision and it hurt to look at any kind of bright light. Luckily only lasted a short while but never again for me. Did make me horny as hell though but it was ruined by the sides.
Interesting. I have heard of those sides. My Urologist gave me a script because Finasteride can kill libido. It's works ok for me but gives me the stuffy nose. Not real romantic breathing through your mouth and it makes going the growl pretty difficult. :-) Since being on TRT I don't need to use it anyway.
How do you find it compares to Cialis - much different or more effective?
Viagra comes on quick and fades quick. You take it 20 minutes before the event. Cialis you need to take about an hour before the event and it will last all night and even into the next day. For me Cialis is more subtle and more preferrable. Both are effective but different.
I actualluly just got prescribed lisenopril.. 10mg once daily.... my pressure was gettin uo there. 150 over 95 on one reading...so doc said time ro bring them.numbers down.......
I have BP issues anyway. I take lisinopril 20mg daily. Fish oil, baby aspirin, garlic pills. I really have to be careful with my use of orals. I like d-bol for jump starting a cycle but will sometimes only take as little as 10mg, to avoid bp issues. I never, ever take more than 40mg a day split.
GlycogenGuyMy blood pressure 5 weeks ago was 180 over 140. Hospital said I can have a stroke at any time. I started fasting 18 hrs a day in combination with keto. Lots of sardines, herring, coconut, coconut oil, 90% dark chocolate in small amounts, goat cheese, peppers, artichokes, avocado ect. Yesterday I was 121 over 81. I think our body's all react differently to gear but the same to quality diet. Just my 2 cents
https://www.webmd.com/hypertension-high-blood-pressure/news/20171009/can...
so when i got off my last cycle of tren, mast p and test my BP was off the charts. some truly scary numbers. it didn't help that i had just found out my gf was pregnant and i didn't want a kid.
i did everything i could to lower it quickly. celery juice works but only temporarily. i found cannabis and muscle relaxers the same.
i put myself on a shitload of otc supplements and it seems to have paid off. i did garlic, coq10, niacin, fish oil, magnesium, calcium and potassium mix and baby aspirin.
probably gonna order some cialis with my next cycle.
Cialis doesnt work as well as u think it woukd for blood pressure. If u truly have hivh blood pressure no doctor is gonna prescribe cialis for it.. other drugs work much better... ( but with out the cool side effect that cialis has) lol
Please do not recommend to anyone your over the counter mixture of candy. Your mouth full of drugs could be hazardous to your health.
Lets start off with your first supplement, garlic. Garlic does help with BP but it doest mix well with medications that slow blood clotting (Anticoagulant/Antiplatelet drugs) such as aspirin that you also mentioned. Garlic slows blood clotting, taking garlic along with medications that also slow clotting might increase the chances of bruising and bleeding. Garlic also interacts with birth control, and medications that are changed by the liver. Garlic increase how quickly the liver breaks down some medications. Taking garlic along with some medications that are broken down by the liver can decrease the effectiveness
coq10, side effects are rare but include diarrhea, nausea, and heartburn. People with heart failure, kidney or liver problems, and or diabetes should not use this supplement. CoQ10 can lower blood sugar levels and blood pressure. Doses of 300+ milligrams affects liver enzyme levels. Once again, people taking blood thinners or thyroid medications and chemotherapy should avoid CoQ10.
Niacin, can cause liver problems, stomach ulcers, changes to glucose levels, muscle damage, low blood pressure, heart rhythm changes, and other issues. People with any health condition including liver or kidney disease, diabetes, high blood pressure, or cardiovascular problems need to talk to a doctor before using niacin supplements. Do not treat high cholesterol on your own with over-the-counter niacin supplements.
Interactions. If you take any medicines or supplements regularly, talk to your doctor before you start using niacin supplements. They could interact with medicines like diabetes drugs, blood thinners, anticonvulsants, blood pressure medicines, thyroid hormones, and antibiotics as well as supplements like ginkgo biloba and some antioxidants. Alcohol might increase the risk of liver problems. Though niacin is often used along with statins for high cholesterol, this combination may increase the risk for side effects. Get advice from your health care provider.
Fish oil, interacts with birth control pills, medications for high blood pressure, and orlistat (Xenical, Alli) a weight loss medication weight loss. Fish oils might slow blood clotting. Taking fish oils along with medications that also slow clotting (aspirin) might increase the chances of bruising and bleeding
magnesium, can cause nausea, cramps, and diarrhea. Magnesium supplements are not be safe for people on diuretics, heart medicines, or antibiotics.People with diabetes, intestinal disease, heart disease or kidney disease should not take magnesium before speaking with their health care provider.
Overdose. Signs of a magnesium overdose can include nausea, diarrhea, low blood pressure, muscle weakness, and fatigue. At very high doses, magnesium can be fatal.
Calcium, don't mix well with antibiotics, bisphosphonates, calcipotriene, Levothyroxine, lithium, digoxin, verapamil, and a hand full of other medications.
potassium, in high doses, potassium can be dangerous. People with kidney disease, diabetes, heart disease, Addison's disease, stomach ulcers, or other health problems should never take potassium supplements.
Potassium overdose include muscle weakness or paralysis, irregular heartbeat, confusion, tingling sensation in the limbs, low blood pressure, and coma. Get emergency medical help immediately.
Other common side effects are: muscle weakness or paralysis, cardiac conduction abnormalities, and cardiac arrhythmias, including sinus bradycardia, sinus arrest, slow idioventricular rhythms, ventricular tachycardia, ventricular fibrillation, and asystole.
The key to lowering BP
-restrict sodium and fat
-Increase intake of fruits and vegetables.
-Regular physical activity.
-Limit alcohol consumption and avoidance of tobacco.
The bottom line, consult your health care provider to establish a plan. Medication may be necessary to prevent complications. Plan on taking some diuretics and beta blockers.
Take it serious, high BP leads to heart failure. myocardial infarction, impaired vision, and renal failure
There is sooooo much wrong with your advice in this post. I dont know where to start. Not everything obviously, but quite a lot.
jayiskGreat post i had no idea of vit/supp interactions. i stopped taking all vit/supps anyway. with my hypertension i am script meds for it.
I see a Dr of Ostiopath and he put me on magnesium and coq10,for mildly elevated blood pressure.Worked like a charm.
Funny you say that I've been doing some digging around and here's just one link I found on coq10 which I also take
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/26156412/
Good find certainly looks as though it reduces all inflammatory response,with the exception of interleukin 6.My D.O.said it makes the heart work more efficiently.Coq10 coupled with a healthy does of magnesium,about 800mg twice a day worked for me at lowering my blood pressure.Mine has never been crazy but when on cycle some things will push it up rapidly.I find giving blood also helps.
Aren't you a ray of sunshine LMFAO
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You should do a post with the study links mate
I’d like a little more comprehensive response next time. ;-)
beet juice helps and I love the way it taste.
I usually take some natural products for cardiovascular disease
i use coQ10 to support heart health. It isnt cheap though, at least the good kind isnt, the one with ubiquinol in it
In my experience cardiovascular hard work can help with this but is not the only solution I used a lot times
Cardiologists assistant after a cycle because with
The time the body is in more risk to get side effects
I can say you when I was 20 years old I got to use
A beta block because I got arritmia
I used dianabol and trenbolone only but I was losing a
Lot of my hair and my mistake was to add minoxidil
N2guard 7 caps daily helped mine out. It will cost a kidney for 3 month supply but you can't put a price on health. It also cleared up my back, bonus points. The highest I would be was 116 over 72 and that was on the front end of a cycle running Dbol. Got to tame Da sides on Dat Sauce
Cialis, half a tab a day and Ramipiril from the doctor has brought mine down from dangerously high levels to normal levels in the space of a few weeks.
Ive always struggled with high blood pressure when blasting until someone mentioned cialis I have 10mg daily and my bp is now at a nice steady rate
So I've never had high BP in my life but it started going up this cycle so I started trying to eat cleaner but today the Dr checked it and it was sky high 150/95 so I've already made an appointment to donate blood on Saturday and going take asprin and see if that helps and think I may grab some Co Q 10 see if that helps any
Asprin will only prevent clotting it doesnt lower bp.
It stops prostoglandins from gathering to form clots.
1300 mg magnesium twice a day.Get a blend,not just oxide.With the coq10 it should come down pretty quick.
Beetroot juice daily
Fish/crill oil
Garlic capsules oil
And plenty of water mate
I've been off cycle for 3 weeks now and decided to follow up with a doctor visit. So my Dr. and perscibed me 50mg atenolol because my BP was high!? It was normal before I started my cycle. What went wrong?
Niacin, arginine, beet juice (for the healthy nitrates), reducing stress and chronic adrenaline dumps, cardio, nature, and a clean diet with proper sleep hygiene.