+ 27 Blood Pressure Help
Every once in a while We see a blood pressure question and the truth is, its probably the biggest health hazard when it comes to doing what we do. Most of the young guys running gear, I was one once upon a time, just look at roid rage as kinda cool often and dont really realize it is likely the result of high blood pressure. High blood pressure could be responsible for a large percentage of all disease related to cardiovascular or organ issues. We should talk about it more and in my opinion there should be no single person running gear without a BP monitor. I figured it out many years after running my first gear, I thought rage just meant I was a badass! Lol. So anyway my answer is cardio early and often, eat as clean as possible and take my omega3 fish oil along with a few other heart supps....hopefully everyone can drop in their control methods and thoughts. I happen to believe even blood pressure medication is a good thing if you need it when compared to just letting it get out of hand. It is depreciating you which is the opposite of what we are all trying to do to begin with. A motor that runs nice and smooth that granny drives will last longer than one in Goths ride given he just boils the tires at every intersection and thinks he's so fuckin cool with his dollar store jewelry and his felt hat and gold tip cane! TELL US WHATS WORKING FOR YOU....
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Dirtyred2I use different off the shelf products but at my age which is 57 I keep Losartan on hand when BP gets too high
Hibiscus tea or caps legitimately help. About as much as daily cialis. It’s an actual ace inhibitor. In fact that’s where the medications like elanapril and lisinopril first were derived from.
Ha ha, this post is 14 years old. Nevertheless it is very important. I take lisinipril and it got my BP from 145/75 to 130ish/70. What has really helped me is 5 mg of cialis which has my bp to 115/60. The last time I was at my doctor my bp was 107/55 so he cut the lisinipril dose in half (40 mg to 20mg). My bp
Is still at under 120/65 while on low dose cialis. Cialis is a vasodilator and a resent study shows that men on cialis have a reduced risk of death for any medical cause including heart, arteries, some cancers and Alzheimer’s.
Nakkoneese is a major help. Cardio daily, hydrated, and daily cialias. All these work great imo.
My blood pressure has ALWAYS been the hardest part of managing cycles for me. My bloodwork responds very, very well to CoQ10, Citrus Bergamot, and Omega 3s alone. I'd tried almost everything. Enalapril, Telmisartan, Amlodipine, you name it. But what finally worked for me was beta blockers. First Metoprolol, but I found the mechanism found me fatigued at the gym. Swithcing to Nebivolol is when things really started to ease. My blood pressure has almost always been due to high RHR, and Nebivolol at 5mg/day specifically helped take me from an average RHR of ~100bpm to ~80, even on blast levels of Test. If ever Nebivolol isn't enough alone, Lisinopril @ 10mg/day has done everything else needed to help keep everything in range. (Typically 135/85 or less, which is acceptable to me personally on cycle.)
I use Ramipril at 1.25mg per day, it's an ACE also but I find it feels much better to be on than when I tried Lisinopril in the early days bud. Bisoprolol BBer is a great one too, it isn't nearly as fatiguing as normal ones and helps with high RHR. I tried Nevibolol a while back but found it made me nauseous for some reason.
In terms of your BP level there pal, I would be tempted to use the whole 20mg Lisinopril tab and bring it closer to 120 than 135. You have to remember that when you are lifting weights those levels will rise further than what they are at rest. The lower your BP the easier you will find training and you won't be breathing as hard, as the blood can flow more freely through your arteries etc.
You a fan of telmasartan? I just got some orescribed . I was using lisinopril but i hated the sides. Got bad sinus congestion and a weird ass itchy throat/cough. Im hoping changing to telmasartan that i will get all the benefits and none of those weird sides lol. I also heard it can slightly lower bad cholestrol and hematocrit but it’s not a crazy amount.
Great advice! Not sure about the availability of Ramipril in the U.S. Metorpolol had me FATIGUED during training sessions, I actually had to call it quits just 30 minutes in a couple times. It was horrible.
Lisinopril I've taken for hypertension since I was young, I'm a Type 2 diabetic (remission, latest A1C of 4.9%), and developed hypertension as a youth from it. Off cycle, BP is fine, around 110/75 average. On cycle, I accept a higher systolic, as it has never really not been high except early mornings with no water or food in my system. I absolutely have white coat syndrome, and I know checking it increases it if you're anxious, which I always am. I've had an Ambulatory Blood Pressure Monitoring (ABPM) and everything was normal, had it done last cycle and doc had no concerns. I've accepted that my BP is only ever high when I check it.
Either way, I'll look into that advice and possibly up the lisinopril to the full 20mg since I seem to tolerate it very well. I appreciate the advice!
TRAAAIIITOR!!!! I thought you were UK mate, that was the only reason I was helping you LMFAOOOO!!! Only joking mate, I genuinely did think you sounded like from the UK though
Shit that means you are one of Milky's pals then LMAO
For sure - I think Ramipril tends to be the BP med of choice of here that our Doctors prescribe, not so much in the US though. They seem to like Losartan and Amplodine by all accounts over there. By all means though if thats what your Doc has always had you on then I'd stick with that
Haha I'm so sorry brother! I won't break your trust again lol
Hm, haven't met a Milky, but if they like bald eagles and guns as much as I do, shit, maybe.
Interesting. I personally see CCBs and ACE inhibitors prescribed the most, but ARBs, not quite as much. I had to explain what beta blockers even really were to my doc. Granted she's a PA not an MD, so she's not required to be as vastly knowledgable. But my response to beta blockers was incredible. I'm particularly interested in their ability to to reduce and even reverse adverse cardiac remodeling in some people. I don't blast often, so the risk is certainly lower than it would be on a gram of test. But still, I'm paranoid at heart. So I research everything like crazy lol.
I'm pretty sure he likes Bald things like me - not so sure about Eagles. Who knows, he's a treasure trove full of surprises LMAO @Milfpounder
I'm going bald myself hahaha. Also huge thanks to @press1 for helping me solve my own BP problem that I recently had on blast.
Got it solved and still blasting.
Haha I think I won some sort of lottery in that balding hasn’t really been a problem for me. Can’t say the same for the friends I’ve blasted with. Still, I really should order some finasteride or something to be safe. Especially with a blast coming up.
Glad you were able to get the BP under control, and many gains to you brother.
Thanks buddy. Definitely don't let your BP go unchecked or let it get out of control. No blast is worth the risk. Good thing there's a plethora of knowledge here on eroids, even if they are royalty loving wankers @press1
Still waiting on my new mattress Cock sucker ...... Good job I bought one myself eh
It's in the mail man. I had my buddy GDROIDS handle the shipment so should be there any day now..
Jasonhard45Just got my first bp monitor for personal use as I've been using the seated one at CVS and learned they aren't meant for above average arm sizes lol
Got a 158/80 at CVS and was like oh god that's horrible, picked up a bp monitor off Amazon that goes all the way up to 20 inch arms! (Soon I'm stuck at 18)
Did my first morning fasted BP test with it and got back a 132/78 which I'm not perfectly content with BUT thankful that it's something I can work with
Thought I was developing polycythemia of some sort with those CVS numbers and I was freaking out
AK80DONATE BLOOD EVERY 2 MONTHS
Sadly can't while on finasteride sad day. Just learned that one today from my appointment at red cross
I’m in topical finasteride and I just donated a week ago lol at Red Cross . They didn’t ask me if I was taking that. And even if they do just say no. They will test the blood down the line and throw it out if they can’t use it. My urologist always tells me to just mark no on everything but I don’t even remember being asked if I was using fin
Ok, an update on my own BP. Due to my shoulder refusing to heal I basically took the last six months or so off from the gym. (Plus I was curious what would happen) I also a few months back bought a traditional sauna and use it at least four days a week. I still take 10mg lisinipril . Before even at 10mg I was running high 130’s low 140’s over low 90’s. Well between the sauna and dropping nearly 30lbs of mass my BP looks way better. I am running like 124 over 82 fairly consistently for a couple months now. Btw still doing 125mg test per week
One other detail. I have not touched fast food since March. Rarely eat out. Cook at home
Have you had the shoulder looked at to see if it is Rotator cuff related or Joint related? I can defiantely believe that loosing weight has reduced BP, imagine how these 300lb guys must constantly feel also on considerable steroid cycles
I don’t believe it ever fully tore but you guys all know how shoulders will stay angry for a few months , maybe even six. This time it was a year. I started shooting it with bp- and it got a lot better but then I made the mistake of playing beach volleyball last January and it went really bad. It feels pretty good now and today I officially started lifting again. Gonna build up slowly and honestly I have no intention of getting as big as I was. 220 or so is a good and comfortable weight for me I think. 250 was straining my entire system bro. Keep in mind I am over fifty now
Great to hear you have started lifting again, I bet the world has taken on a new dimension again today in your mind. Even if you are just going through your old warm up weights again it still feels brilliant
For sure I bet playing volleyball was possibly one of the worst things you could have done to aggrevate it again with all the overhead movement especially the whipping type action. Has business been going well as I know you were putting a lot into that again?
We had a good year but price increases have been constant and they are calling for more after the 1st. I don’t know how much more consumers can handle. On the plus side I am well capitalized if things do come to a grinding halt.
Yesterday at the gym I overheard one of the older guys talking about how his blood pressure is naturally just 165 over 120 and he doesn't take anything for it or do cardio. I have no idea how you can just let something like that go. Now I feel like I am working out next to a ticking time bomb.
The worst thing about high blood pressure is that you are getting used to it too quick and literally the next day you will feel yourself okay, when the blood pressure still be high... Really afraid of it, taking readings twice a day just to be safe
Once it gets high the 2 main things I noticed is the heart thudding in your chest and the really bad shortness of breath during training during big exercises like deadlifts. You will get the red stars in your vision once you begin hitting the big weights too!
DaPumpLosartan fixed brilliantly my BP issues even when blasting evil compounds at not-so-conservative doses.
My Doc is pretty cool and always open minded. He got me a script for it after a few questions about my specific request. Not gonna lie, besides its effectiveness and lack of sides, I picked Losartan because all the studies noted improved sexual function.
I can confirm it. Telmisartan was neutral in this regard.
I am thinking of giving Losartan a go - are you in the UK mate and get it on prescription? What dose do you take?
I agree, I take losartan and it helps keep my BP down. I used to take ACE inhibitors, but I slowly started getting allergic reactions to it, and it took a while to figure out.
I've seen a few guys taking this now, I take Ramipril as its what my Doctor prefers to prescribe unless you get the ACE cough. I've tried Telmisartan too. Its funny as when I tried each of these for the first time I felt like shit then on the second dose have been fine ever since. Was it just the sexual loss you didn't like about the Telmisartan? A lot of BP meds seem to cause this side, I assume its because of lower BP into the penis Lol
What mg of ramipril does doc have you on? I’m in 5mg daily my self and feel so much better on it I was struggling with constant shortness of breath but seems to of done the trick for me
DaPumpFor anyone interested, here is one more reason to love Losartan. Pretty damn cool.
https://iv.iiarjournals.org/content/36/6/2740.long
Just an update, I have been on lisinopril for probably seven months now and it is working pretty well at 10mg per day. Almost no side effects other than the first week or so I got light headed a couple times, but no big deal. Thanks to all of you who reached out and recommended it. Compared to beta blockers it is way better imo
Using that myself after years of no BP self/care and it’s made a huge difference after 4 months not the typical 120/80 but better than the 175/110 I walked in with lol
That’s great news mate. I haven’t looked back since I found lisinopril. Stuff is also cheap as chips
Well after I posted this I went to get my refill and my bp was up a bit high, and now been checking for a few days and I am hanging high 130’s over high 80’s low 90’s. Not sure if I just in the last month built an immunity or what? Gonna watch it for a few more days and then decide to up the ride or switch to something else :(
Perhaps a silly question but has anything else changed, are you still flat out at work?
10mg is at the lower end of dose I believe. Ive been running 12.5 of Hydrochlorothiazide in conjunction with Lisinopril, whether I’m TRT or blasting. My BP averages high 120’s and 80’s.
Yeah still buried but nothing has changed.
AnonOn behalf of myself, et alia, I am sorry for hijacking your post.
The only thing that really works to stop my BP once it goes the kind of high posted last four-days is to stop, and then it takes two weeks to come down. It takes a really abused cycle (like me running it 32-weeks on a planned 16-week cycle) to get into that kind of trouble, so the concept of 'chronic' high BP just reads to me like a year-round cycle. I don't judge, but I will input that having read hundreds, and maybe thousands of articles on steroid use, sides, illnesses and death, only prolonged use really hits the charts regularly. I have never actually found an overdose, and I have little evidence of death by misadventure where other drugs were not involved.
I think that even if you 'control' the BP' you still have 'alterations of the cardiovascular system' (Regul Toxicol Pharmacol. 2010 Jun;57(1):117-23. doi: 10.1016/j.yrtph.2010.02.001.) Which normally presents problems later in your life. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20153798/
If you are in any position to be honest with your doctor, he/she is going to be in best position to review your actual records and history and give you real advise. I doubt PDR is going to have cross-reference to AAS as so many still see it as 'the devil'.
I don't know if you have ever really experienced anyone with vascular dementia, but it will affect your view of stroke. I get lectures on stroke frequently with my choice of steroids and dose and many times I just put the warnings off. I had the experience of getting stuck caring for an 'end-of-life' person with vascular dementia and it gave me a new respect, as well as a new attitude. High BP can definitely lead to stroke and vascular dementia. Hell, the stroke is bad enough!
The link above came from this article/study https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10641914/ Basically 34-deaths in AAS users, 12 were related to cardiovascular changes. So, probably a side question to ask is, 'will controlling my BP stop cardiovascular changes in my body?'
The only thing that brings my BP down to normal during cycle is stopping cycle immediately. By the time I get that kind of BP, I am usually months over my stopping deadline, double the doses I declared I would be at, and to be more honest, eating a bit dirty because I have, by that time, reached a large physique with a low BF and it all contributes. There 'is' an addiction and when we just balance the question: My BP is at life threatening levels, but I want to keep cycling.....' This is addictive behavior. I suffer from it.
Very honest of you to say all of this, I think a lot of us on here suffer with this kind of addictive mentality even though we know its detrimental to our health long term. Being completely natural is always going to be 10 times more good for our bodies than injecting 20 times the amount of hormone we are designed to run. But its easy to see how we can think like this too - How many of us grew up as young kids obsessed with watching films like Rambo, Terminator, Superman, He-Man, and WWE? We were all wanting to be big and strong for a long time, ultimately its hardwired into most males at birth. Then along comes a taste of that little needle and within a few weeks you have transformed into something you have never ever seen before - all of a sudden you are the Hero out of those films. Going back to being the average man walking the street again after experiencing that feeling is extremely hard to do.
It's the close thing we got, to being Marvel
superheros.
It took 14-weeks to shed the fat from my back... no idea why, but it was the only large dimensional change I had since March, but now my chest is going up and the waste is going down..... the wife is looking at me like a drunk looks at a kebab spool..... and that is why I like fitness! Fucking 20kg of fat... how on earth did I let that happen? Waste line is going down now, and I am wearing those 31/31 Levi's... super hero... maybe not, but having a woman look at me like a piece of meat does boost my ego! I'm going to start packing on the muscle next week and I am a bit excited! Just had to shout, it feels so good!
It's nice to be noticed for sure!
AnonSpeak for yourself, Halsey. I wake up and piss excellence. Shake and bake!
Not sure if you know this or not but I'm a phd rocket scientist, specializing in moon landings, with a minor in theology with an under grad in evolutionary studies.
I piss myself with excellence in my sleep brother! Lol
Sucks getting old... have you tried Depends?