+ 27 Blood Pressure Help
Every once in a while We see a blood pressure question and the truth is, its probably the biggest health hazard when it comes to doing what we do. Most of the young guys running gear, I was one once upon a time, just look at roid rage as kinda cool often and dont really realize it is likely the result of high blood pressure. High blood pressure could be responsible for a large percentage of all disease related to cardiovascular or organ issues. We should talk about it more and in my opinion there should be no single person running gear without a BP monitor. I figured it out many years after running my first gear, I thought rage just meant I was a badass! Lol. So anyway my answer is cardio early and often, eat as clean as possible and take my omega3 fish oil along with a few other heart supps....hopefully everyone can drop in their control methods and thoughts. I happen to believe even blood pressure medication is a good thing if you need it when compared to just letting it get out of hand. It is depreciating you which is the opposite of what we are all trying to do to begin with. A motor that runs nice and smooth that granny drives will last longer than one in Goths ride given he just boils the tires at every intersection and thinks he's so fuckin cool with his dollar store jewelry and his felt hat and gold tip cane! TELL US WHATS WORKING FOR YOU....
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I'm not even gonna start my next cycle unless I know my bp is under wraps. I eat real clean not much red meat, but during my last cycle I neglected my cardio and I know better. I got lazy with it and it plays such a big part in your gains. When my cardio is spot on I'm good for about 20 percent increase in strength. 5 to10 more reps. I'm including twenty minutes on the precor ant machine now before each workout. I'll be doing a core class once a week also. I'm hoping to be ready to jump on cycle in december. The cardio has been hard to jump back into, I do know that it is getting easier so that's a good sign. 136 over 80 was my last check. The bp monitors are cheap and almost essential, props to tread on that
My BP is pretty high I'm thinking about using BP meds...any advice from anyone or experience???
If your BP is dangerously high your doc will script you BP meds to help prevent your pending heart attack.
It shouldn't become your new "maintenance drug" so you can avoid doing the hard work. You need to focus on correcting your diet and exercise. So you don't need the drug.
tread-mNice call....can't neglect that cardio or the bp monster comes looking for you, he found me a few times!
Definitely need to up the cardio game, i dropped 37 lbs since april and i think that has helped some, been esting very clean for a bit now. Been thinking about maybe giving up coffee (i drink 2 cups a day)....does COQ10 or redyeast rice help with BP...I'd rather not go on meds....doc said that i needed meds but that was 37 lbs ago...also alot less stress in my life right now...
OE2000Damn bro, I thought about this too....I'm on my 3rd cup of coffee as I type this BTW. I always justify my caffeine intake by telling myself, "Well, I quit drinking beer and margaritas" "I've lost some body fat" " I don't eat fast food that much anymore" LOL Wanted to see exactly how coffee affected my blood pressure, after 3 cups one morning my reading was 150/125, 3 hours later I was back down to 110/75 I wanna quit, but I LOVE my coffee!!!!!
tread-mGOOD FOR YOU BROTHER! Well I dont know about help as to the coq10 but it will help in overall heart health. You need every edge you can get so look through this thread, some very good tips but cardio is key. You just keep uping cardio time and even sessions until you find your sweet spot. Giving blood helps by thinning your blood as well as I learnd here and I personally take a baby aspirin every day. Even though the commercial says to consult your doctor..they dont own me! Lol. Of course if on blood thinners for any reason or prone to ulcers or other stomach issues a doc is probably a good idea for sure.
Anonare they being prescribed by a doctor or are you self medicating? If you are self medicating then I'd have to say that it is NOT advisable. There are many things that you can do on a day to day basis that can lower your bp to acceptable levels. Many people make lifestyle changes and come off their medications.
By far, the easiest way to control high blood pressure is to take a bp medication. A cheap one like Lisinopril. It only costs $10 for 90 pills from Wallmart and those other pharmacies that have a discount plan. I take it and it is effective and no side effects. 500 mgs. of testosterone a week would jack my blood pressure up to 160 over 90.
AnonReally, Firefly... you should be more careful suggesting that someone else take a specific medication. Lisinopril has a black box warning.. ALL medications have side effects, here are some for lisinopril:
(exercise, meditation, yoga, and biofeedback methods are far preferred for the treatment of high blood pressure and hypertension.)
Before taking lisinopril,
tell your doctor and pharmacist if you are allergic to lisinopril, enalapril (Vasotec), benazepril (Lotensin), captopril (Capoten), fosinopril (Monopril), moexipril (Univasc), perindopril (Aceon), quinapril (Accupril), ramipril (Altace), trandolapril (Mavik), or any other medications.
tell your doctor and pharmacist what prescription and nonprescription medications, vitamins, nutritional supplements, and herbal products you are taking. Be sure to mention any of the following: aspirin and other nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs) such as indomethacin (Indocin); diuretics ('water pills'); lithium (Eskalith, Lithobid); and potassium supplements. Your doctor may need to change the doses of your medications or monitor you carefully for side effects.
tell your doctor if you have or have ever had heart or kidney disease; diabetes; lupus; scleroderma; or angioedema, a condition that causes difficulty swallowing or breathing and painful swelling of the face, throat, tongue, lips, eyes, hands, feet, ankles, or lower legs.
tell your doctor if you plan to become pregnant or are breast-feeding.
if you are having surgery, including dental surgery, tell the doctor or dentist that you are taking lisinopril.
you should know that diarrhea, vomiting, not drinking enough fluids, and sweating a lot can cause a drop in blood pressure, which may cause lightheadedness and fainting.
Ha!
There are millions of people in this country that take bp medications. They are a life saving drug. Those warnings you list are standard disclaimers that are on every drug.
AnonI am quite well aware of the statistics.. the warnings are there because they are real. They DO have side efffects and to say that someone should take a medication w/out know ing anything about them and to say there are no side effects is just plain old bad advice.
Yes, standard disclaimers to cover BIG PHARMAS ASS!
I agree with grrl and tread... Diet, exercise and even homeopathic remedies should be explored and considered FIRST.
VERY dangerous mindset and belief system that a pill is the "quick and easy" solution.
my .02
tread-mI get your point and say if you need it "until" you take the steps to get it under control with cardio and natural methods its a good thing. There are still many studies that show even though you control bp through medication the predisposition to have bp based on your lifestyle shortens your life and creates a health environment that sets you up for the onset of many diseases. So yes, you fixed the bp but no, you did not change the fact that your lifestyle will have many negative effects on your health as time goes on. As well, we dont want to send the message that medication will replace cardio or any of the things grrrl suggests given we know these things create better uptake of oxygen in the blood and organs and that is a chain reaction to health at all levels. I agree that if your bp is too high, get to your doctor until you can make the necessary lifestyle change and make it right!
I'm already prescribed a statin drug. Have been prior to AS. I take all the no no steroids and my BP remains the same. Everyone is different. Before you invest hundreds in juice, spend 70 and buy a home meter. Check it regularly.
I have a supplement store and the best feedback I have been getting is from a supplement called Kyolic formula 109. I have also used and it does seem to be effective, its just not a quick fix like bp meds, but it does seem to work without the side effects of some bp meds, feeling tired, lethargic, etc. The ingredients in this formula are aged garlic, nattokinase, and l-theanine.
AnonInteresting, do you have any other insight on it?
L-theanine is probably the most beneficial ingredient of the three because it is actually used for hypertension, stress and anxiety. The nattokinase works on blood circulation, kinda like l-arginine does in all of these n.o. boosters.
Quick note guys....If you are new to Gear a higher elevated blood pressure is to be expected. Unless your some fat dude on gear then who the hell knows? You have it all figured out. Steroids and Nutri System combo....Your on your way!
I don't know if anyone has mentioned this yet but sodium is another big one. Watch your sodium intake. The daily reccomended value is I believe 3000-3500 mg/day but cutting that in half would help reduce a BP as well. Maybe even limit yourself to around 2 grams of salt/day. Osmosis is basically what happens with high salt intake. Where salt or sodium goes water WILL go. Ever eaten a crap load of sunflower seeds and just felt fat and weighed about 2-3 extra lbs? Thats why. Where salt goes water goes and when there is more water weight on your body; just like when your holding water weight from T or dbol and the list can go on, it makes it harder for your blood to circulate easily through out your body and reach all the right places. Then your heart also has to work harder. All while this is going on you may not even feel it or have any effects. That is why high BP is called "the silent killer'. Imagine a garden hose. When you leave the hose alone the water flows naturally. When you need the water to travel further (comparing to the circulatory system here) you need to restrict or clamp down on the hose hence vasoconstriction and/or high BP. Sometimes you can do everything in your power to lower your BP and may even be doing everything right. In this case it is most likely hereditary and you may have to get on a beta blocker or some type of diuretic. Hope this made sense. Im kind of all over the place. Damn redbull.
Anonbump for some of the newbs..
AnonThanks hrdbdygrrrrrrl.....
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkOE2000Ok, I've had my way with this 3lb bologna..... who's up for sandwiches?????
I also forgot to mention resvertrol, green tea extract fish oils like T already mentioned and my secret weapon....lisinopril, just started it after years of high bp. After I started epo and gear my bp sky rocketed so I had to get on an ace-inhibitor.
tread-mI dont think anyone has mentioned sex which is surprising considering what we all do. Thing is I know it helps but if it helped very much mine would be about 60/34...just based on "raw" numbers of course.
OE2000Does sex with yourself count? I've had way too much alone time here lately......
AnonJust make sure you switch hands....
OE2000Oh definitely...... 2 hands, KY.... and this 3lb bologna, its a party up in here!!!!!!
awe damn not again, well i guess with the bologna grrrls finger aint nothing. party on my brotha party on. lol crazy ass
TMI
I don't ever want to know what you're doing with KY jelly and a 3lb bologna...
tread-mLet me get you the link, or just google "oscar did whaaaaaaaaaaaat"
tread-mYeah, what did you think I was talking about?
Anonto many people get TOO excited... and that my friend raises your blood pressure..
tread-mThat got me excited, I'm just sayin....
sgtstedankoSorry grrl... That never happened before:( Honest
Anonliar liar pants on fire...
I'm surprised no one had mentioned it here but Hawthorne berry works very well for me and its cheap as hell. I'm a 130/90 guy on gear and it brings it down 8 points or so at about 1000gm (two pills) a day. Just my tc.
OE2000Hey Tread, you got me interested in this topic and I can't stop researching. Potassium (2000-4000mg per day) rich foods: sweet potatoes, kidney beans.... you can find great food sources here----> http://www.weightlossforall.com/potassium-rich-food.htm
or here ----> http://nutritiondata.self.com/
tread-mNice brother, yup I get tons of it or I cramp bad. In fact yesterday my arms were trying to close by themselves in a cramp fashion after hitting bi's so hard earlier. The worst are legs , if my legs try to close like if I'm setting in a chair I have to stop them quickm. One day I swear 911 came to mind as they both tried to lock in a desk style chair when I had my feet kinda under it. Anyway one went full cramp and got closed before I could stop it an d thats the worst pain you will ever feel. Its like a foot cramp X 10 ! My lats were knotted to be hell and pulling into cramps as well but a deep tissue massage pulling the knots out helped there. While on topic, if you ever find yourself trying to cramp during a workout, big muscles like hams or lats usually, a swig of pickle juice will shut the cramps off pretty quick..or works for me.
I know this one sounds funny but I have heard about transcendental meditation having a profound impact. Match that up with cardio and a lower sodium diet and you can see drops in the range of 15-20 points. Throw in progressive muscle relaxation and you can get another 5 and 3 systolic diastolic respective point drop. These are reasons why countries that meditate frequently stroke and heart attack are lower in the cause of death ladder.
I am no yogi and do not practice TM' but I have mild BP issues... if I sit down w/ my BP monitor and relax ( close my eyes and breathe ) for a few minutes I can drop my BP by 10 points or more. There is truth in that for sure...
but I still do my cardio !
AnonIt isn t funny and meditation and yoga are superior to taking medications ...taking meds opens you to so many other complicatns.. look at the warning labels sometime and tell me if you really want to put that stuff in you after you ve worked so hard to get in shape....
you are smarter than I look' :?
I have seen alot of posts about diet and cardio playing a major role in lowering your blood pressure due to juice. If you are not genetically predisposed to HBP and you are certain it's the gear, a good suggestion is to donate blood every 4-6 weeks. When I used to go to the clinic and get a shot a week, (total fucking ripoff BTW), I would give blood every 6 weeks. When you are on test your blood thickens and can cause a strain on the heart. This possibly leads to HBP and worse conditions. Just my 2C
Anonflip is correct, donating blood does lower the viscosity of the blood by removing red blood cells.
correct again - I just discussed this w/ my doc... ( thick blood here )
I think I also read this recently I bought a few books on eating/diet/health. I think it was the Dr Oz book...
Any possible issues with donating blood with all the abnormal hormone levels/chemicals we have in our system during a cycle?
tread-mGood to know, I always knew about blood doping for oxygen bursts but didn't realize the pull helped bp. Makes perfect sense though.
tread-mThats why we do this...I'm going to check this out, have never heard of it but it does make sense. I do take baby aspirin to keep blood thinner so I guess I'll lay that out with your tip for the guys over 40. (Silverbacks)