+ 27 Blood Pressure Help
Every once in a while We see a blood pressure question and the truth is, its probably the biggest health hazard when it comes to doing what we do. Most of the young guys running gear, I was one once upon a time, just look at roid rage as kinda cool often and dont really realize it is likely the result of high blood pressure. High blood pressure could be responsible for a large percentage of all disease related to cardiovascular or organ issues. We should talk about it more and in my opinion there should be no single person running gear without a BP monitor. I figured it out many years after running my first gear, I thought rage just meant I was a badass! Lol. So anyway my answer is cardio early and often, eat as clean as possible and take my omega3 fish oil along with a few other heart supps....hopefully everyone can drop in their control methods and thoughts. I happen to believe even blood pressure medication is a good thing if you need it when compared to just letting it get out of hand. It is depreciating you which is the opposite of what we are all trying to do to begin with. A motor that runs nice and smooth that granny drives will last longer than one in Goths ride given he just boils the tires at every intersection and thinks he's so fuckin cool with his dollar store jewelry and his felt hat and gold tip cane! TELL US WHATS WORKING FOR YOU....
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Can't be that bad I got it from isteroids and it was the main article for a beginner cycle
I think you posted this in the wrong section ????
Mine was sky high during a test/deca cycle a few years ago. That's when this issue really got my attention. My doctor said that taking protein supplements can sometimes cause certain amino acids to be at crazy ratios that increase BP. I over reacted and threw all my supps out. I increased cardio and started meeting my protein requirement with foods, and it came right down. Was about to abort mid cycle if it didn't. Since then, I am back to using protein supps and BP is good. I have heard that deca is notorious for this and I don't doubt it was a major factor.
My BP always rises when on a deca cycle. I keep it in control with diet and other remedies. You also have to pay close attention to cholesterol levels, deca is a silent killer in cholesterol. My buddy was tested at 380 normal is like 100 or less. He was only running 250mg deca ew and 500mg test e ew so just a heads up. Watch your diet closely I have switched from lots of red meats to more fish during Deca cycles it helps.
I have had blood pressure issues. For me green tea has been made significant change in my blood pressure. It being herbal it took a little bit to build up but once it did it is a good stabilizer for me.
I actually had my doctor put me on Bystolic its a derivitive of viagra so not only does it lower BP it puts lead in the pencil...very expensive without insurance though..some ins company's will try to sub it for something cheaper but a lot of other BP meds lead to ED.
phil113kgHi Tread I posted a link that was very interesting to listen to. Towards the end he mentions the topic of Test causing an increase in red blood cells and how some are taking(sorry for the lack of using a better word) blood out to maintain a normal level of red blood cell count which helps against a blood clot. Check it out and share your thoughts cause today was the first day that I gave a pint. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-rEevuFpZk&feature=channel&list=UL
pretty interesting yea I donated blood a while back because I was told It would lower my iron levels
tread-mYES giving blood frequently is a very good idea using test or not. Its a healthy practice brother. Thanks for the post!
phil113kgThanks, lol the person who gets my blood will feel like superman!!
zewicorrect. I donate plasma, you get paid to do that.
AnonIf I am not mistaken, it does not have the same effect as donating your red blood cells in lowering blood pressure. And, the plasma you donate, is not used in transfusions or given to people,it is used in various products such as cosmetics.
I have been careless on my diet this past week, eating alot of processed meats, especially bacon on cheeseburgers, BLT's, baked potatoes...etc. BP check yesterday morning was 140/90 consistently.... no good. (My norm is 110/70) So I mixed 1/4 cup apple cider vinegar in half gallon of water and sip that throughout the day yesterday along with half gallon of distilled water. Had NO salt added to foods, around 3000mgs of potassium and 500-700mgs of magnesium. BP this morning, 1st check = 125/85. 2nd check = 115/80. 3rd check = 109/60. WHAT NOW???? So THANK YOU to whoever suggested the apple cider vinegar, that shit works. Will start morning ritual with 1Tbsp in 8oz of water everyday and do that 3 times daily!
That's awesome bro! I have been talking about apple cider vinegar on here for a little over a month. It's helped me in the past, my great grandma was an Italian and she swore by these natural remedies. Like vinegar, messaging sore muscles with moon shine or rubbing alcohol certain vegetables and herbs have many healing capabilities. She had a lot of great remedies old school stuff instead of pills from a Dr.
Yea apple cider vinegar is the shit I've commercial fished for the last 8 years crab fishing outa the Bearing sea and from my exp with working consistent 72 hour shifts is my body would cramp severely Unless or until I drank apple cider it also prevents it so I learned the easier way was just to drink it here and there, great words great words.
It naturally helps adjust the acids in our body's so that normal lactic acid cramp we get after long strenuous activities. Is and can be prevented by having a little cider vinegar in our system. I prefer wine vinegar because it taste better but apple cider vinegar is better. Yea your right just a little swig here and there seems to do the job. I'm actually about to right now
So I guess its you jester that I owe the thank you (as well as some karma)! Yeah my man, I honestly couldn't believe it! 109/60 is the lowest I've tested in a long time. Really excited about giving ACV a few weeks to really saturate my system and reap the full benefits! Keep sharing grandmas remedies, good stuff!!!!!!
That's what eroids is all about brother! I have had good advice from others on here many times since beginning. If you need a natural kidneys cleanser boil fresh red beets till tender peel cut up mix with wine vinegar do this everyday for a couple of weeks.. The stuff we put into our body's on a daily basis, chemicals at work in food and the occasional self inflicted poisons. We need to be sure we can clean ourselves out with out adding more chemicals or problems.
I have this spice called turmeric that is great for the flu and other ailments, taste like crap in tea form but saved my ass from a deadly flu I picked up everyone else was sick for over a week I was better in 2 days.
Lmaoooo...I feel you on the flavor factor, I used to try to mix 1 tsp of tumeric and 1 tsp of cayenne in 8oz of low sodium V8.... was horrible so I quit after a few times. May try it again and just hold my nose. I take beetroot extract but Im sure real beets have much more benefit. Thanks again my man!
What a trip! I don't hear of to many people knowing about turmeric. I had the guys at work try it out and the ones that did got better, the ones that didn't because how bad it taste were sick for weeks and hell a few were even hospitalized. So if that's not proof enough then lynch me. You can't ever seem to get the shit fully desolved in anything, so your right on the money hold your nose and swallow. I never have tried beetroot extract. When I was a kid my G'ma used to can them and when I started eating them they were so good I kept on eating. Well .the next day I was crapping and fishing red' thought it was blood and freaked out. I remember running to my dad saying I'm dying I'm dying and had to show him my crap. First thing he said you were in G'ma's canned beets. I grew up in a Italian family so everything we ate was from a garden, field, orchard, ranch always fresh I miss it really wish my kids had the same opportunity.
AnonLast night I was 127 over 71. I watched my salt all day, I had a ton of cider vinegar on a big salad and bp read much lower.
Now I have to do some testing to see how much of that is coincidence and how much resulted from cutting salt and adding vinegar.
Wife didnt get me the beets, but she said she would today.
What is everyone using to measure BP with ? I have an Omron and Im going to take it with me to the Dr on Friday to compare its readings to his.
Bp has to be checked during a relaxed period of time otherwise stresses and such will raise it sporadically.
AnonStresses like wife and children ? Haha , oh they definitely change my BP.
The aple cider vinegar is working great for me to. Thanks !!!
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.Permalinkcdaddy7We test pts for high bp by taking their bp first thing in the morning for three days in a row before they will even consider a diagnosis of high bp
AnonOK thats good info, I'll start testing my self in the AM.instead . My evening readings seem to vay a lot. Wonder if it goes down when the kids go off to bed ?
cdaddy7Hit me up anytime my man I'm here to help
cdaddy7ok lookk bro, im in the med field. That cycle you are doing is low in mgs my opinion so u really shouldnt have bp issues but the fact you have a family history makes juicing without bp meds extremely dangerous. I consider deca and test to be very mild on bp and esp at those doses. I would encourage you to be honest with your dr before 1) you stroke out bc your bp rises even more when u are working out and that could really f u up for the rest of ur life ( ie Rt or left sided gimp, drooling) U follow me? BAD BAD... 2) you will end up with what they call cardiovascular disease that can eventually kill you and if it doesnt then the fact that your heart has to beat harder bc of bp then u will end up with and enlarged heart and even more so if juicing and u will have what they call right sided failure. Drastic yes, but true it is. You need to end up being honest with your doctor and getting on bp med bc afterall its ur life your playing with and you get that under control you can actually successfully cycle. I am being honest and upfront with u and telling you to get that taken care of whether you continue to juice or not
AnonApreciate the honesty and advice. Im going to give it one more shot with some natural remedies and seriously cut out the salt, but if that doesnt work in a month I will have to bite the bullet and get on some BP meds.
AnonMy BP is up, and Im going to the Dr on Friday. I am actually hoping he wont test me and put me on meds. Im going to try the vinegar and also the beet juicing tips from below, but if that fails does anyone know something I can take just to get it down for my appointment ?
BP was just 155 over 95
AnonI did re-test later in the evening last night and hit 120 over 80
Drink chamomile tea a few of them just before going in. This is a natural mellowing tea and take some aspirin. Normally you want to be on aspirin for atleast a couple of days, but take a good dose of aspirin and this should thin your blood enough to pass the BPD test. But we really need to find out why is your bp so high I know I just had mine checked and I'm @140-84 Dr said with my stress at the moment she can understand. But it's not that bad she says I know why mine is high it's that train I'm on. Hexarelin helps a little as well. But yea dude you need to do some natural remedies and eat healthier you can bring these levels down.
AnonThanks, I'll deff do the chamomile and aspirin.
As a snack lately I have been eating a lot of Planters mixed nuts, probably way too much salt.
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.Permalinkcdaddy7Thats high bro. What are using as far as aas?
AnonI've got three more pins to go finishing up a 16 week cycle of test and deca. It was 250mg test, 90-100mg Deca every fourth day, but the last few weeks I have upped the test to 350 mg and reduced the deca to 50 mg . These last three pins I probably wont use the deca at all.
My BP has been high for years, since my twenties. I normally run 125-130 over 90-100.
I just want to make it past post cycle and see where the BP is.
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A friend was recently laid out for a few months when he started his blood pressure meds, said they made him feel 4x worse than chemotherapy with interferon. Great to see the tips.
I finally asked for med's. On 2 a beta blocker which regulates the heart beat, keeps it from spiking as well as lowers BP and a BP med. I'll spell these wrong beta is metropol and BP is lisinopril. I like it BP is normal, the beta keeps u calm.
tread-mSomething for you to think about here brother. Studies have shown that premature death due to the effects of high bloodpressure did not improve with people who use bp meds to control bp. The reason for that is that all the negative effects that cause bp to spike have not changed , you simply control the "actual" bp with the drug. So all of the issues such as (not your case) high bp, corisol levels, water retention, poor cardiovascular health etc etc are still present even though bp is controlled. I don't personally mind meds if one is trying to control bp through natural means and work your way off of the meds via good cardio work , water conrol with AI and large water consumption as well as l?imiting salt. It is very unfortuante many docs don't explain all of this because people tend to think controlling that number in bp "fixed them". It didn't , it essentially hid the problem and that problem continues to grow. Its cause and effect, if you don't change the cause the negatives of the effect are still there even if you "hid" the higher bp number.
Dead nuts! Brother fix the problem don't mask it.
Half of lemon juiced, 4 oz of natural cranberry juice, 1 tbsp of organic apple cider vinegar, in 12 ounces of water, stir and chug it! Good liver cleanse
how often would you drink this every day for a week or just one day?
Ed for atleast a week. Then in moderation, you can reverse the acid balance in your system and that is somthing you should avoid. But it is a good remedy. If you want to do a good kidney cleanse boil red beats tall tender pill the skin off ad some wine vinegar and wall la. One of the best kidney cleansers. Ever.you will piss and shit red for fe okw days. Always pinning and green tea. As well the beets saved my ass once.
How about juiced whole red beets? I have a half one juiced (through a masticating juicer) about 3 days a week, but never pissed red!
My wife had been making the juice, and suspect she was using less than half a beet. I just juiced a whole one with carrot, celery and ginger. Just had a cup of red dye!
I read that by eating the beet you absorb more or the nutrients that sit in the intestinal tract longer allowing a certain enzyme to help with cleansing type kidneys and to help break down and prevent kidney stones. I was having bad kidney infections and pain all th e medicine type docs gave me only helped for a little bit. Then I began reading up on natural remedies for kidney problems and they all pointed at red beets. They can't be canned! They have to be fresh and boiled till tender then peeled. You only have so much time to eat them after this otherwise the enzyme begins to slowly lose its potency. I was pissing and crapping red but that's a good sign. You do this for a couple of weeks to a month, and then once or twice a week as a maintenance routine. I noticed a huge difference and it's time for me to do it again. My urine has been to yellowish brownish for awhile now and it's time to flush the system. They taste great with carrots and a little wine vinegar.
AnonWow thats great Im going to try beets tomorrow night. I'll have my wife pick em up at the store and I'll have a juice dinner. I have drank beet juice before but stopped because it really makes my BM red like Im shitting blood.
I'll juice beets, carrot ,ginger.
Another remedy I have used. Works great.
A friend of mine is in the high 300's 40 yrs old I want to say 380 somthing really doc was telling him he's close to having a heart attack. Him and I have been running the same UGL gear him longer then me and when I had my levels checked I was 180 I have never had problems before that. We were running a simple deca test cycle. But really what MG were we running IDK. One pin a week type of cycle and we both were beasty. Him more so then me he's like 5'7" 240lbs and solid head to toe. He has been off cycle for awhile now, think god! Our local is gone so he can't just start up again. He's doing a lot better now and he's not losing much gains but he is slimming down a lot. I wont give him anything that will increase his Bp until I see proof his BP is back in check. It really is a scary problem it's like the grim reaper is constantly standing over you with out you even knowing. This can and will kill you in your sleep. Funny people are more afraid of plane crashes or being slammed by a semi on the road, but not afraid of something they knowingly can avoid with proper maintenance.
Muscleg33keat shit load of potassium to alleviate your BP
No offense bud but that is terrible advice! Let me break it down...there is a concentration gradient between your cells and blood with potassium levels. Most potassium is found in your cells. What maintains this gradient is a Na+/K+ pump (Sodium/Potassium) found on the outside of cells to maintain this higher concentration of K+ in cells. If you took large amounts of potassium your blood levels become hyperkalemia(too high in K+ concentration).... causing problems such as cardiac arrhythmia or sudden death. Obviously if think about what I mentioned before with the high concentration of potassium in cells once you flood your bloodstream you lose this concentration gradient and the Na/K pump stops functioning on cells therefore stopping your cells. A few things I know: Potassium Chloride is administered for lethal injection...It's also used during heart surgery to stop the heart from beating cause they don't work on a "moving" heart. So yeah I'd be hard for someone to ingest this much potassium at once...but if you eat shit loads of it everyday consistently thinking you're going to alleviate your BP...you might just alleviate more than that!
Supernova283You'd need to eat a ridiculous amount of potassium for it to kill you. Potassium chloride is used as a light salt. I use it in everything I salt instead of sodium chloride.
I light salt practically everything and my BP is great.