+ 27 Blood Pressure Help
Every once in a while We see a blood pressure question and the truth is, its probably the biggest health hazard when it comes to doing what we do. Most of the young guys running gear, I was one once upon a time, just look at roid rage as kinda cool often and dont really realize it is likely the result of high blood pressure. High blood pressure could be responsible for a large percentage of all disease related to cardiovascular or organ issues. We should talk about it more and in my opinion there should be no single person running gear without a BP monitor. I figured it out many years after running my first gear, I thought rage just meant I was a badass! Lol. So anyway my answer is cardio early and often, eat as clean as possible and take my omega3 fish oil along with a few other heart supps....hopefully everyone can drop in their control methods and thoughts. I happen to believe even blood pressure medication is a good thing if you need it when compared to just letting it get out of hand. It is depreciating you which is the opposite of what we are all trying to do to begin with. A motor that runs nice and smooth that granny drives will last longer than one in Goths ride given he just boils the tires at every intersection and thinks he's so fuckin cool with his dollar store jewelry and his felt hat and gold tip cane! TELL US WHATS WORKING FOR YOU....
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Bro 500mg of test is enough to raise bp exspecally if its your first couple of cycles. If your experancing sides than more than likly its not fake gear. taking anything else besides the test?
Well blocking your Aldosterone is the key, take ace inhibitors and watch how much better you feel, maybe you need a little beta blockers as well, to take the edge off your gear too, it can at times be kinda ampy depending on what you take, and how much, tren and masterone are two that get me, and i really have to pay close attention to my bp and always play with my miligrams on my ace and beta blockers to keep it in control. Hopefully you dont get irregular rhythms like a-fib palps ect, if so there are great meds for that too, rythmol is a really good one. If you have a enlarged heart from juicing training heavy high blood pressure the Aldosterone blockers will actually shrink your heart after time remodeling it to more normal size allowing for your electrical system to calm down and take some irregular rythms away! its a touchy drug however, you get dizzy at first especially when kneeling down petting your dog ect and standing up fast, the rebound effect is bad until you get use to it and get your mgs sorted out. testosterone and creatine was resposible for setting my high blood pressure off, and not taking estrogen blockers too
Could I send you a friend request? I would like to ask more questions about BP meds. Thank you.
tread-mWhile its up here, there is an ad for "natural bloodpressure control", Levodyn is the product. Anyone heard of it or used it?
OE2000Took me forever to find the ingredients, looks like a combination of supplements we already take, CQ10, hawthorn berry, pomegranate extract, and B vitamins, I'd say save your cash for a ride on the kiosk!
Doc just put me on Micardis for BP. Been taking Clonidine for a while now. Actually get latest labs in tomorrow morn. Been on Test E 1000-1500mg/week for 8 months now. With some deca and now equipoise. I was running tren ace which is hell on BP, especially when running with anadrol preping for a PL meet. Now that im off tren and anadrol, i feel much better, and BP is better, but still requires meds.
I hope you meant 8 wks at that dose and not 8 months.
haha right 8 months gotdamn
Diet can play a critical role. Obviously low sodium is important. Also make sure to have an adequate amount of potassium. Lets just say that potassium can act like an antagonist to sodium. A rule of thumb is : where sodium goes water goes; meaning that if sodium goes in so does water resulting in hypervolemia leading to high-blood pressure. So stay hydrated as this will help dilute and flush sodium. Pharmalogical methods would include things like "lasix". Frequent BP monitoring is essential to avoid an unsafe drop in blood pressure. Lasix will cause increased kidney perfusion reulting in more fluid being expelled from the body thus lowering blood pressure. Cardio exercise, especially workouts leading to persperation is very important. So in conclusion, low sodium diet, adequate (not too much) potassium, exercise, and (CAUTIOUISLY!!!!!!!!!!!) Lasix, frequent BP monitoring. Good Luck all and lets be safe and responsible with this shit.!!!!
OE2000How ironic, I was just thanking sgtDanko for his informative posts about vitamins and minerals..... Listen up guys, your body NEEDS at least 3000-4000mgs of potassium per day, lots of navy beans, pintos, sweet potatoes, white potatoes or that Childrens double noodle soup that danko was raving about, Oh, low sodium V8 or tomato juice has tons ....I think it is the most overlooked mineral.... and Im guilty too as to not consume as much, but when I do, no muscle spasms, no muscle cramps and most importantly, no homo!
On my last cycle I had very high blood pressure. While me and the wife was doing our thing right before I would climax it was like someone hit me in the back of the head with a ballbat and headaches that would last half a day. So I went to the doctor and he said they were hypertension headaches that was cause by very high BLOODPRESSURE (let that be a gentle warning to the newbies) but eventualy got it under control
I can't emphasize enough the importance of monitoring BP throughout a cycle. Even though I'm on two BP lowering medications (Lisinopril and Atenolol), I still monitor my blood pressure especially while on. Go to Wal-Mart and get one of those home testing machines. They vary in price but are worth every penny. And it's always good to double check the machine at the doctor to make sure it's accurate. Doctors welcome this.
This is what got me on track. I began 30 minutes of cardio eod with sprints on the tread mill followed by a brisk run repeated for thirty minutes. One baby aspirin in the morning one baby aspirin in the evening. I drink 1 1/2 to 2 gallons of water a day. The only way I can gauge water is with gallon jugs. My sodium intake is less than a 1000 milligrams a day but mostly under 500mgs. I believe the sprinting or tread mill wind sprints have helped tremendously as it got lower as opposed to regualar jogging on the treadmill. I also began donating blood. Current blood pressure 120/70....
Thanks for the advice gorilla..
Can you donate blood while on gear?
I tell them I am on TRT. They have no issues with it at all in fact it will help people with the same blood type who are red blood cell deficient. I also provided them with a recent blood test result and my results the last test were wicked good. Total cholesterol 143 and triglycerides were 81. The lady did comment that my blood was almost purple and that it was real thick meaning high red blood cell content. Maybe placebo but I feel spectacular after giving blood.
OE2000Bro, we share the same thing, blood is purple, thick and takes me 20-30 minutes for a pint???? While Im sitting, there will be like 3 ppl come in an donate beside me....and Im thinking WTF??? ain't there a choke on this bitch or something to get the blood flowing ..... but yes, it feels good to me!
OE2000I have my friend, and they've never contacted me about any elevated issues... cause you know they test for an assortment of different disorders, but let me add, just testosterones, never donated while using any orals so I dunno about that! Give life brother!
tread-mI have seen people saying they did, I have not afraid some woman would get it and grow a beard in about an hour, or grow something worse! Lol
tread-mThat was all you brother! Nice work and awsome effort!
tread-mOk one more update for bp here tonight after talking a bit in another thread. I often recommend turmeric for healing withb muscles/tendons etc with good success. Well as I was doing so another individual explained how he knew about turmeric already and was kind of abusing it a bit by taking more than is recomended and dropped it blood pressure to a very dangerous level and could not talk right slurring etc. This leads me to believe if used properly it may have bp benefits. Just speculation and it could be a reaction that is just specific to this one individual but I kinda doubt it.
I'm usually on a pretty good dose of tumeric extract compounded for joint inflammation, going on 4 years.. Also have low blood pressure, 106/66 to 120/75 but have seen 141/85 before. I'm pretty sure it was between the second set of numbers before 5 years ago. I was not aware of correlation even though the coincidence doesn't make it one. Something to watch, good to learn more every day.
sgtstedankoYou're right on dial. It does brother... There are studies showing it's effectiveness. Been used in China forever! Also, I take Plant sterols, & Korean Red Ginseng.
There was an older fellow in my gym that used to tell me of the benefits of tumeric. He ran on the treadmill all the time. One day when I wasn't there the guy had a heart attach in the locker room and died. I was a little leary of tumeric after that. There might have been no correlation between the tumeric and his heart attach. It was enough to freak me out though. The guy seemed in great shape for his age. Suppose it coulda just been genetics, I just never wanted to gamble after that.
sgtstedankoBrother, Do not be leery, or weary of turmeric! Seriously, don't... When your heart attacks you, more often than not you're fucking toast. It's really good stuff. Also, it's an all natural liver detoxifier : ) The list goes on and on, and on, and on. It's been used for thousands of years! Personally, I use it as a seasoning for quinoa, and broccoli just about every single day. Try it. I also take Korean Red Ginseng mixed in with my coffee in the morning : )
Thanks my man this eases my fear of it. I'll have to try some and see what I think, he also told me that he used it for seasoning. He also said the stuff was very inexpensive.
tread-mAlright a bp update from me and I may be premature as I have not ramped up my usage yet after dropping some during a mega spike going on vacation and drinking like a fish! I got home and knew I had to get on this, spikes at night were bad there for a bit and I'm not a sit back and deal with it kinda guy. Honestly the success I have had is just doing some things I should be doing all along and don't at all times even though I talk the talk. Anyway, got in from a short vacation a week ago and jumped on this...began dringking nothing but water, no diet cokes no milk no nothing other than a couple cups of coffee, 1 half glass of tea and a half of a 12 oz diet coke at a restaurant the other night. A good guess is about 220 oz of water a day here right now maybe a little more. As well I cut my salt way back to less than the recommended daily allowance and shut the carbs down a great deal after 2 pm following my morning load. Have went strict on daily cardio and eating cleaner than clean only buying from the health food organic grocery store this week and no trips to the regular market. I was jumping to as high as 150/99 last week at night and almost always at night as of last week to 140/90. Other than two short bouts this week where it got up and I had to take aspirin and a m.uscle relaxer it has dropped as a daily average dramatically. Last night 120/70 and lower this morning , today 118/68 and I NEVER get a 118/68...EVER! So if anyone is in a slump try this. I think the water and salt reduction and cardio have been the biggest help but just better eating and following some of my own advice has been good for a change. OE2000 has been a huge help bouncing a lot of great information off of me as well including coconut milk usage which I am doing and hate it once a day and still bounce in a few hawthorn berry caps each week and a baby aspirin but all in all my biggest success with bp in a long time. Now we jump the test and see how I respojd, hoping to be able to keep it down with just an occassional spike if it must and continue daily cardio and increases there with tons of water and low salt. Thanks to all of you for the ideas and keep them coming!
OE2000What??? 118/68 <--- awesome news my friend! Its great that you keep adjusting, trying different techniques and using your knowledge instead of just poppin blood pressure medication! Hell, that's EASY! What you're doing shows great dedication and determination to beat hypertension! And you're an inspiration to me (and many others) to do the EXACT same thing! Tread for president 2012
tread-mYup, couple of short pop ups but way controllable compared to normal. For some reason if mine is up its like around 11 at night to the middle of the night and just checked it at a time mine would be the highest of the day basically and its 129/75 at 1:18 am. Yeah hell with the current standard of success I could make that president gig look good by just doing nothing at all and sit in the oval office on my smart phone with eroids! Might turn that bitch into a big ass gym but if thats all the money I spend in 4 years other than gear for my buddies we may turn this thing around!
I am the same way mine goes up when i am in bed watching tv before i go to sleep
Bought a good BP machine from 'Boots', it only cost £30!!
I buy a bag of the ground flax seed with added omega's, and put about a table spoon or two into my protein shakes everyday. It's not that cheapest stuff, but it will last forever. If your interested in trying it you, need to buy the flax thats ground otherwise it will just completely digest out of your body without absorbing the nutrients. Its good stuff, doesn't change the flavor of anything and if you add a little bit of wheat germ it almost gives it a peanut buttery taste.
tread-mDo you have a situation in which your bp was up and this brought it under control or is it simply a prevent measure on your part? Always curious and trying new things to keep bp down as it is an issue for me and I have to really work hard to keep myself off of bp meds.
Cardio can make an incredible difference... but when bulking who wants to drag their sweaty fat ass onto a treadmill? lol.
Low dose asprin and fish oil tend to work well for me.
I take low dose asprin (full dose sometimes), and hawthorne extract. The extract is the most potent form. Costs more, but its worth it.
I didnt know coconut water helped bp..and I drink that everyday, so I guess I use that too.
OE2000I posted this before I actually tried coconut water, that stuff tastes like ass,.... I should say ass tastes much better! I did purchase some coconut oil and when I opened it, the aroma was that of an Almond Joy, pleasantly surprised on taste as well.... will keep updates on if it actually helps BP and other issues!
OE2000Check this out!!! http://www.coconutwaterlife.com/coconut-water-benefits
Good thread. Thanks all.
My BP has tended to run borderline high for many years. When I was about 40 this started to concern me. Especially with gear.
I use:
Red Yeast Rice
Fish Oil
COQ10
Hawthornberry.
The red rice yeast keeps the cholesterol in check.
I like to always keep my bottom number under 90, read it somewhere in a gear forum and I like it.
Hawthornberry seems to allow me to control this.
I am also looking into yoga heard way too many good things about how this helps to keep ignoring it.
Good thread! May I suggest garlic extract for blood pressure? I believe garlic is a natural ACE inhibitor and you can find it at most vitamin/health food stores. Other good heart supplements (not sure if they've already been mentioned):
Red Yeast Rice - Plant based statin, good for lowering cholesterol
Phyto/Plant Sterols - Help block the absorption of cholesterol in the gut
Nattokinase - Blood thinner
Fish Oil
Co-enzyme Q10 - Antioxidant
Chia Seed - Good source of omega-3s
We've had customers at the vitamin store I work at discontinue their use of Lipitor and continue with red yeast rice instead, and their cholesterol hasn't changed much.
OE2000Does the garlic extract cause any excess body odor? Been on this MSM and have noticed an ammonia type smell when Im busting it at the gym, but my joints feel great.... and yes, I take showers...lol Thanks FD
MSM is a form of sulphur, so that's probably why you're smelling it. The human body craves sulphur (that's why we feel great when we take mineral baths) so supplementing with MSM is a great idea for joints as well. I take it 3x a day, 1000mg each time.
Hmm weird, never heard of that with MSM before. Lol how strong is the odor? Enough for others to smell it? I've heard of that happening with people taking fish oil, no problems here though.
As far as garlic is concerned, I would make sure the pills/softgels are enteric coated, that might help a little. I've never really had a problem sweating out garlic after eating it, but I recently put some cloves in my food and smelt something like garlic on my hands/arms for the next 2-3 days. I say buy a small bottle and give it a shot.
OE2000Thanks brotha... and for the friend request....
MSM ---> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methylsulfonylmethane
tread-mI actually need to try the Red yeast rice, I have a couple family members using it with success. I watch a tv news program with a commentator that used it for a bit and claimed to have alls sorts of problems with it but I guess works for some and not everyone...as with anything. use most of the rest although I have got away from garlic extract for no reason and need to jump back on that. Nice post!
Thanks! Just trying to get my foot in the door around here lol. What was your total cholesterol the last time you had it checked? Depending on your numbers, I'd say give it a shot until your next bloodwork and see what happens. "Trial and error" is what I tell people when it comes to supps.
tread-mMy good has always been high and bad low to the "out of the ordinar" as it was described once. I don't worry about most of it since I am a prevent kinda guy rather than fix it kinda guy. I can have high bp on gear, around 140/95 ish if I don't stay dialed in hardcore on the cardio. I just take most of the other things for heart health and health in general. I have heart disease in my Moms side so that has always been an issue of worry. My mom and two of her sisters and her dad and 1 of her brothers and brothers son (my age) have all had heart issues. That being said, most smoked in fact all and I never have. I thi nk even if the smoking was not the cause maybe it just sped up the genetic possibility they had. I assume I have a predisposition but the last stress test I had I went on the highest speed at the highest angle of the tread to reach first sign of stress and the doc said "trust me, nothing wrong with your heart, I've seen 2 people in 25 years that could do what you just did with no heart stress untill minute 15 showing up....so feel good there but people have had trouble and passed those before so, I'm overly cautious and thats where I'm happy! Lol i love the science and the supps with good diet and exercise though. I won't live forever but maybe we can all be healthy and die on the bench one day doing what we love... : )
I hear ya, cheers to that! When I get around to doing it,cardio helps me keep my blood pressure down as well.
I want to thank Tread for bringing up such an important issue. AAS use has been known to cause a rise in Red Blood Cell count, and can lead to secondary Polycythemia if left untreated. Like hrdbdyrrrrrrl pointed out, the further away from normal your blood pressure gets, the greater the risk. In addition to consistantly taking your own blood pressure and knowing whats "normal" for you, it's wise to keep an eye on one's Hematocrit levals. Yet another reason to keep up on bloodwork!
tread-mBoom...
Is it ok to donate blood every once in a while to deplete red blood cell build up?
Yes. I went b/c mine was getting too high (my doctor told me). The nurse said I was right on the line where they would turn me away if it was any higher. She said, "You should feel alot better after this"...and that I should come in about once ever 3-4 months and donate.