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Every once in a while We see a blood pressure question and the truth is, its probably the biggest health hazard when it comes to doing what we do. Most of the young guys running gear, I was one once upon a time, just look at roid rage as kinda cool often and dont really realize it is likely the result of high blood pressure. High blood pressure could be responsible for a large percentage of all disease related to cardiovascular or organ issues. We should talk about it more and in my opinion there should be no single person running gear without a BP monitor. I figured it out many years after running my first gear, I thought rage just meant I was a badass! Lol. So anyway my answer is cardio early and often, eat as clean as possible and take my omega3 fish oil along with a few other heart supps....hopefully everyone can drop in their control methods and thoughts. I happen to believe even blood pressure medication is a good thing if you need it when compared to just letting it get out of hand. It is depreciating you which is the opposite of what we are all trying to do to begin with. A motor that runs nice and smooth that granny drives will last longer than one in Goths ride given he just boils the tires at every intersection and thinks he's so fuckin cool with his dollar store jewelry and his felt hat and gold tip cane! TELL US WHATS WORKING FOR YOU....
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tread-mI have heard that is a very healthy idea. I just wish I could see the look on the 80 year old mans wifes face when she visits him in the hospital and he looks like Dirk Diggler under a pup tent in his hospital bed after he recieves a pint of my blood! Or "Wood Magic" as I like to call it! Lol
Yes. Phlebotomy is currently used as an effective treatment for Polycythemia.
OE2000I donate every 60 days..... give life brother!
Just curious here.... My bp went to 160/115 and now I've gotten it back to 135/85. All this bp talk of what to take and whats working got me thinking too. Where are we wanting to be at??? I do cardio 3 times a week about 30-40 minutes a pop. Hawthorne berry at 1200 mg a day though bottle calls for 3600. One baby aspirin. low sodium and low caffeine got me back to normal along with no aas at all. ??? Is this a good number to be at??? Got a physical in a couple weeks but am looking for a little insight cuz I'm planning next go round.
Anon120/80 is a decent spot to be in but you have to remember that this is "guideline" everyone is different. that ratio would be very high for me as I am usually around 90/60 or 80/50.. you really need to know what is normal for you.
For me ....my norm has most always been 125/82. Have about 15 tests within a couple points of that number over the last 36 months. Is it possible to maintain that on aas or should I have high limit mark that should not be exceeded.
Anonyour bp, depending on compounds you are running will go up and it is up to you to take steps to minimize it...cardio, meditation, yoga, keep sodium down, etc.. I can't give you a limit just like I can't tell you what normal is for you.. obviously the further away from normal the more you are putting yourself at risk for the big one... hypertension is silent and deadly..
tread-mI can't get up the courage to do yogi but I did BooBoo's, does that help at all? I saw your bp up there too, is that ok, normal...that seems crazy low!
Anonno you BIG Gorilla.. why don't you just keep chasing picnic baskets...it is normal for me.. not ok but since I don't pass out from low bp.. not much I can do to change it. Running gear does make it go up.
thanks for the input.... on another note when you say "depending on compounds you are running" Is there a generalized list that gives a thumbs up or thumbs down to certain compounds. I know with just test c and just test e I was fine. The eq is what elevated the whole thing. So im gonna take a different route and try the Deca to see if its more "my type" Was just curious if there was a ranking so to speak
yo just got this stuff i dont know if its blood pressure when active my face turns beat red like ive been dring or on superdrol.... any ideas
Need more info bro. What is active? My face gets red real red hammering 225 until failure. Do your ears get hot as well. How old? How much Fat you got.? etc .....
Jtizzlewhat all are you on?
I notice an immeditate drop in BP after ingesting 3-5grams of L-Arginine, but I've had mixed results with Hawthorn Berry. Extra cardio seems to help..nothing like a nice long walk!
tread-mQuick update as to OE2000'S SUGGESTION TO TRY hawthorn Berry. I began using it a few days ago, even less than is called for on the bottle, bp has actually dropped from my normal daily average and especially my "at bed time" checks. I will update as to whether or not it is ongoing in help. I use and try so many different things for all the health corcerns we share so the possibility of placebo is pretty slim given I tend to never have expectations but have not completely ruled it out so I'll watch the long haul here.
I'm curious what your dosage is. I've read 1000mg is good. My bottle suggests 1200@3 times a day. I'm taking 1200 once daily
tread-mI'll have to check. I'm just taking 2 caps a day split at the moment which is way under the norm. My bp is in control mostly though, I try to use cadio and a daily aspirin with fish oil and coq10 etc for heart health but my high side gets to about 140/ 90 so its there I try to up my game. I like to be 120/ 80....ish...or lower but my norm is in there somewhere.
JtizzleI have started doing some yoga on days off from the gym. Granted I am not very flexible at all , but it lowers my BP very well...
tread-mGood to know J...I have heard that a few times and have tried like hell to stay away from it! Lol. I may have to rethink and give it a whirl. I use things that are pretty effective but having got a really bad infection, maybe a touch of pneumonia, several weeks ago in my lungs my cardio went to hell quick to the degree that cardio stopped. I had to cough my way through workouts for 4 weeks and the thought of cardio made me cough just thinking about it! Needless to say bp is up but I think I'm beyond the cough so about to jump heavy on the cardio and may just have to try some yoga.
Anongirl jumps and down and screams "I kepp telling you all to do YOGA"
Jtizzleso gay but at least I get to watch a hot flexible girl in yoga pants while I attempt it.. and it really helps with my flexibility and mood
tread-mI know I know...it just seems so gay.."not that theres anything wrong with that"..no homo
AnonMore and more NBA and NFL players are doing Yoga... Robert Parrish (Tread) was able to compete for years after Larry Bird HAD to retire because he did yoga everyday.. get over the homo stuff..
OE2000Would this be considered yoga???? Its me and tread btw..... enjoy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVtEX1J7tXQ
Jtizzleholy shit.. thats one hell of a dance
OE2000There is nothing wrong with being gay, cause I love me some tread-m!
tread-mNo homo.....Rihanna rules the world by the way.
OE2000Dude, @3:50 of the video..... she makes my blood fucking boil ...... holy crap!!!! Toilet tissue would be a non-issue with her in my house!!!! <----- cause Tread said so bitches!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIlsboLLzJQ&feature=related
I don't know where she picks up that bad mouth?
How the Hawthorn berry holding up.
tread-mSo far so good! I'm going to drop it a few days at some point to see if I kinda rise a little and then go back on and see if it heads back down a bit. Just playing with it to see if its lasting too.
Keep me updated.
yea hawthorn berry and habiscus tea great for bp
I will keep an eye on this!!
Interesting thread. Some prefer big pharma and others prefer nature (holistic, herbal, or whatever you prefer to call it). BOTH can be effective and BOTH can cause serious harm. I tend to get more anxiety when a patient prefers the advice of some forum or herbal companies ads/magazines/etc. with no regulation whatsoever or controlled clinical trials. I see patients die all the time because they believe they will be cured by some supplement their friend's neighbors cousin swears by - instead of following the advice of a trained medical professional. My own dad falls into this category - even though he is a retired doctor as well. It's sad and shameful to watch people you care for die FASTER because of blind stupidity endorsed and supported by an unregulated industry. My advice - be cautious and wise. A wise man learns from his mistakes but the wisest man learns from someone else's mistakes.
AnonI agree Doc, people can get carried away on both sides. I prefer to see pt's do what is necessary and relevant before they get to the point where they have to take medications. Medications are a useful tool in getting things under control but I feel like people rely way to much on the "magic pill" and forget that their health behaviors and choices play as much a role in maintaining their health as does taking their meds. too many people want the quick answer and easy way out.
Agreed. Back to the environment vs genetics. Too much blame on genetics for more generalized conditions such as mild to moderate obesity with slightly elevated bp, or early onset of diabetes due to diet, or even mental and mood stability. For these reasons and much observation combined with knowledge on current and past scientific literature, I tend to lean 70% environment and 30% genetics for the most common generalized conditions - NOT a malignancy or truly dominant condition unrelated to environment.
OE2000Hey, has anyone been on that Hawthorn Berry? And if so, lets hear the results?
I was curious too.. so I Googled it and read a few articles -
some feedback:
can cause cardiac arrhythmia and dangerously lower blood pressure while some mild side effects could include nausea and sedation.
Seems it can lower BP, now I wonder if because it is made by mature if it is better than a scrip of a statin. I think I spelled that right.
OE2000Have family members on statins, and I'm avoiding that shit like the plague. Seems like my body gets desensitized to resveratol, CoQ10.... initially BP goes down, but after a few months, no benefits???? Maybe I should cycle 1 month resveratol, 1 month CoQ10...hmmmm
Hibiscus and green tea are suppose to help, especially the hibiscus from what I've heard
I'm doing moderate cardio 3 days a week for 20 min. My BP is great, so I guess that's enough cardio until something changes, right?? Kuddos to tread for the BP monitor suggestion!
tread-mIMO yes as long as diet and heart supps are all good. Can always increase a day or 2 if you see a rise and especially on cycle. Good for you brother!
I started cardio and 2 baby aspirin a day as well as 90 minutes cardio a week and and watched the sodium now I am g2g. Oh yea and upped my water intake to around 1 1/2 gallons of water a day. Sometimes more but at least that much.
tread-mNice work brother, I like the aspirin but it can bother some. I particularly think it is good on cycle...not bad to mention to your doc though during blood work so he has the oppurtunity to evaluate its use.
Yea some dude with a gorilla for an avatar suggested this to another member so I ran with it. Thanks gos to you. I will mention to him as I have never had blood pressure issues in the past. I went into this blast with a little to much abdominal fat looking back. More than ever before plus I am no spring chicken anymore. I have learned a wealth of info on this site. My next blast will include hgh,var and propionate. I may need some direction with it. After this blast I am going to shred my weight down and build up properly. This cyp is some really good clean shit man. Beats the shit out of the Brovel stuff I used 5 years ago.
OE2000The gorilla is VERY wise!
I just knocked out a 10 mile mountain bike ride today for lunch.. my BP has been low all afternoon. Nothing like getting outdoors and putt-in the hammer down.
3 months ago that would not have been fun... on HRT ... no ISSUES.
My BD is coming up I think I may hit an extra T Prop 100 mg for some good BD wood in the hood!
Lovin it'
tread-mGood for you M! Oh, and see why I love the prop...quick adjustment, quick response!
roger that - preparation was key' Lets just say I had a great BD and slept like a newborn baby last night! If there had been an earthquake I would never have known.
Also capped my evening w/ a New York Strip and some asparagus...mm-mm
tread-mOh yeah, dialed it in with a strip I like it. I'm a filet mignon preference but I'll never turn down a strip or good steak of any kind. Throw a little lobster in the mix and ahhhhhhh.......