+ 5 To shake or not to shake...
That is the question?
So I hear the constant debate over how many shakes one should have in a day and I guess the perfect answer is none. Problem is thats tough to do. I always say I'd much rather have 50 grams in a shake rather than skip a meal if its just impossible. In fact, If I know I have something going on that may take me 3 hrs away from meals I take a 75 gram shake in water with me in my shaker...such as the DMV, jury duty, dru nk in public arrest etc.....they won't let you bring your beer in the tank!
So anyway, heres my suggestion and I gave this to a guy yesterday who has a serious problem in his schedule getting in 6 meals. Get a food dehydrator if you don't already have one and buy turkey and beef to slice and make jerky. There are marinades that are amino acid so you can stay away from the high salt. Yesterday I was out so I grabbed up a jack links turkey jerky and this stuff has 30% of your daily salt intake in a single serving. With home made using amino marinades you would have to eat poundage to get to those numbers! Lol
The point is you can easlity carry this stuff and chew on it as much as you like and if you are someone who has to opt for the shake more than you'd like, chew on and 1/8th pound of this stuff before after or both and the shake was a much better option with the combination. You could even opt for a 25 gram shake given the extra protein here and get the best of both worlds. Btw, done right in the proper low salt marinade this turkey jerky is off the hook, you just never get tired of it!
At the end of the day its this, no matter how busy you are or how difficult it is if you can't get the math right in cals you can't grow, theres no way around the numbers. Get some jerky in your pie hole and throw the pie out, its get big time!
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So..Uhhh...I've been looking at some dehydrators lately, anyone have an opinion or recommendation on the best buy for a comfortable figure? I don't feel like spending a cycle's worth on one, as some are pretty pricey...yet I don't want a piece of trash.
You can use your oven at low temp to make jerky also. Just use a drip pan and bake at 125 degrees. It will work until you get your dehydrater. I make alot of venison and beef jerky this way along with the dehydrater. Just keep it in the fridge. It's not as good as the dehydrater but it will work. The oven is a slow cook. Just make thinner cuts against the grain. Make enough for a week at a time. Then save the money for a good dehydrater.
I have a Nesco dehydrator. Works great. Picked it up at Krogers or target. Inexpensive; which is good for a starter (hate to pay a lot of money and find I don't use it that much). I find I use it in spurts. I dehydrate everything for a few weeks, then end up putting it away for a few months.
http://www.nesco.com/products/Dehydrators/
Cool! Thanks!
Good lookin...I'll check it out!
As a side note: I use it to deydrate food for backpacking as well. Scambled eggs, fruit, vegetables, and even stew. And of course to make jerky.
Same here. been thinking of getting one!
With all the money I spend on gear and protein...this is an investment that would be well worth it!! At the store the other day, I bought like $80 of halibut, filets, and chicken alone...wait and salmon too!!! HOLY SHIT!!! I still had to buy other shit too, like veggies and eggs!!
Mine and girlrillas monthly food bill is 700+ dollars! Want a dehydrater for few dif reasons... main one is to make some jerkey for snacks.
Yeah, the $80 was just for like 2-3 days worth of shit! The lady at the fresh meat counter LOVES me and knows me pretty well right now!!!
Food is high as fuck! Eating healthy costs a fortune!
Everybodys gonna be bigger than us with all these food tips fying around this place lately! thinking about getting a couple of bulls in the back garden to keep the grass down a little before i slaughter and eat the fuckers lol....
There are always goats in the man cave bro, I hook up a mean goat. Tread hookers a mean goat. how ever you want your goat we can hook you up, either marinated or butt naked we have the goat for you.
lmao! butt naked sounds bout right for me joe gotta be a virgin though man i dont want to be following some big horned billy with a leg for a dick lol and if that girl wants whispers in the ears shes fucked man this dude s a big howler..... lol..
tread-m"Bigger than us" hahahahahahahaha....that is funny! Never gonna happen but funny none the less!
Ahhh...stop it already. Your head might be slightly bigger than the rest of ours, but that's all!!!...HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. We can play these games!!
tread-mOh you got jokes! Lol
HAHAHA...of course!! Where would we be if we didn't have 'em?!?!
Anyone ever try Biltong? It is made in South Africa. I met a guy on a job onetime eating it. He made it himself. It is cured beef not dryed. I don't know for sure but it is cured with corriander. I don't think it has as much salt content as jerky. I've been wanting to try to make some, but it takes a special curing box. What he had was awesome. He had a chunk of flank steak that he made. Just slice of a piece and eat. It's made with animal meat in South Africa. Good stuff
sgtstedankoTo shake!!! There's science behind the shake, big tread! There have been studies showing that men (college athletes) that consumed a shake w/25g protein, 30mins b4&immediately after training, gained up to 30% more muscle. I agree w/you in the fact that I'd rather drink a shake, than miss a meal. Personally, I have 1-3 shakes ed. 1st one 1 scoop whey, 1 scoop casein; 2nd 1 all whey after workouts. Then casein b4bed : )
I make my own jerky, & have found London broil to work the best;)
Hahahahahahahahaha! Good advertising.
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The problem with liquid protein (shakes) is that the Protein passes through the digestive tract faster than it can be absorbed.
The maximum rate that whey protein can be absorbed is about 8-10 grams per hour.
It takes one and a half hours for a whey protein shake to pass through the section of the gut that can actually absorb it.
So no matter how much whey you dump in that shake you will only ingest about 15 grams of protein. Now the good news:
Digestive enzymes (added by quality makers of whey protein drinks) can increase the absorption rate by up to 125%
http://www.jissn.com/content/5/1/10
sgtstedankoI remember reading something about that. Good post, brother. I try to take my time w/shakes (when i can) I also started taking astravar ed. I honestly figure, Some protein is better than nothing, when I'm on the fly : )
Anondid the research discuss how having a balanced meal/shake with all the necessary food groups also delays absorption rates.. I am assuming that research was done with a protein shake not a shake that contains all components of a proper meal in proper proportions ?
It did; adding oats to the shake for example, drinking with a meal, or drinking it very slowly (or smaller shakes more often) all helped with the absorption.
Anonthank you for clarifying ;-)
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkYep Yep x 2 . Nice post greg.
The reason why quality protein powders must be researched even as much as the aas we plan to use to save pissing it all away! and my reason for taking whey isolate upon waking and casein just before i put my head down (not down on the mrs lol) i mean down on the pillow,and the reason why sipping is the way to go and not gluging like i see a lot do.. back in the day when all you could get was casein it was so rough you had to sip it due to being like wallpaper paste,must have done my first 12yrs in this game without any powders due to them being so f-ing bad..these days they are all just like your favourite milkshakes and get wasted for fun by necking the stuff down in minutes IMO never rely on powders has your first source of protein..to be used as a SUPP or a stand bye as tread says! by far the best ever source of protein is a young bullock with its head cut off and its ass wiped stuck on a spit F-ING HEAVEN ON EARTH lmao!
tread-mYou just love teasing me with "The Suze" don't you!
Brother did you like those pics i sent! shame i cant post any with the copyright slammed right through the middle... shame.
tread-mLove'em brother! Awsome...yeah they can't put thAt at the bottom To crop it out!!! Lol
tread-mThats the whole deal . I will even stretch shakes out if I have the time and not in a hurry and just have to slam and roll. Such as above, I'll drop 75 grams of protein in water and just drink on it over 3 hours if I'm away from food that long. Nice and slow going in and nice and slow absorption. Same with good home made low salt turkey jerky, you snack on it all day inbetween meals and shakes or even some with a shake and I think you simply have a higher likelyhood of protein uptake. We're going to waste theres little way around that but steady seems to be the answer when possible. I like the science aspect of your posts, thats the part everyone misses when they just "copy what the big guy does".
hey bro i'm interested in making my own jerky. I guess i'll go do some research but if you don't mind shoot me a pm. What's the best meats, process, ect?
Yeah, I have to agree with Sarge on this one; the science is there! I don't know why, but there just seems to be such a disdain for shakes on the ol' Eroids network. Why the majority opposed, I just don't know why. I simply have to go against the grain on this one...for a FEW times a day is NOT a bad thing. I try to take in as much protein as I can from FOOD, however some days I work 10 hour shifts and it's slightly difficult to not resort to a quick shot of protein every now and then to keep the body in line. Granted the first chance I get to smash some "REAL" protein(for some of y'all) I surely do, even if it's only thirty to sixty minutes later! What's it matter anyway, maybe I am flooding my system too much here and there, or I'm wasting protein...oh well, at least I'm getting LOADS of it. Better to have slightly more than not enough, right? I'm sure other folks have checked out the amount of whey/casein, etc. protein supplements some of the 'pros' use on a daily basis?...then again, sometimes I think that maybe they might be saying they use all that protein powder simply because it's thier sponsor and they're attempting to satisfy all the hoopla!!
tread-mYou nailed it in the last sentence....$$$$. However, I do agree with virtually everything you said there. I get far more protein than my body can use and thats intentional. As you said as well, if I have a turkey pattie and veggies sitting there and the time, it beats the shake hands down because I know my body is made of meat and not shake, but, I still want my shakes and especially my night casein hit.
yeah... not gunna lie. i have had over 10 scoops of whey isolate in a day... more then once. its because at school i am too busy to cook a lot of the time. and at home my family eats like little birds. they dont like it when i raid the fridge. it grosses them out even if it is meat that i pay for. my dad is just pissed i spend all day in the kitchen.
i really do like this jerky idea. i think i am going to try it tomorrow. my mom already has a dehydrator.
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a local pro that owns a BB oriented deli told me the only real way to get full nutrition out of shakes is to consume them in between meals to "trick" your body into thinking its real food.
I have to shake. But i eat while on the roads as well. I shake 25g every 3 hours. I also do 20 hour days beteeen school...work...gym. Its the only way I've found i keep all my muscle. Prior to I'd drop 20 solid pounds when in school
tread-mYou're a perfect candidate for the home made jerky. I pack it in glad bags and take a few with me, just so easy to munch on without any mess, don't have to worry about keeping it warm or cold etc...easy easy
That would definitly help pangs! Eating 8-12 chicken tenderlings thru the day gets old fast. But those two have been the bland combo. Will check into homemade jerkey!
To Shake or Not To Shake....No matter how much you shake wiggle and dance....The last drop goes in your pants..HAHAHAHA
Sorry.I just couldn't resist the urge.
Anonget a vitamix and blend your meal.. our shakes aren't just protein they are protein plus everything else required for a meal ... complex carbs, veges, and almond butter for fat content .. more balanced than most meals people eat
I just started making my shakes that way after reading goths post about making shakes.
I make mine with the following
4 scoops of whey protein (108 grams protein)
1 banana
1/2 cup oat meal
1/2 cup pasturized egg whites
1 cup greek yogurt
handful of blue berries
big glob of peanut butter
and just enough 1% milk to thin it out enough to drink.
I am slowly adding things to it as I go.probably gonna start adding almond butter(if i can find it cheaper) and maybe wheat grass.
I split this into 4 portions to drink through the day between meals.
Do you think this is enough or should I add something else/drink larger portions ?
Anonyou need to make sure that everything is in the right proportions is all... we also add spinach leaves and a couple stalks of broccoli you can't taste them so it works well for me.. I also don't like banana in my drinks so none of that either.. we purchase our almond butter by the case at costco.. is your peanut butter all natural with nothing added? Check the label as often sugar is added to make it sweeter. ;/
I'm needing a blender upgrade! So you guys like this Vitamix? How much is one new? I've been toying with the idea of liquid meals but i just do solids.... but if i was in a position whre i had no choice id blend food and drink it. I just cant get with you guys on the whey as a protein source other than p/w/o! Just too many other options! Whey is too fast absorbing and just doesnt have same nutrients!
AnonLOVE it we have two so when I travel Goth and won't fight over who gets the vitamix.. it will blend ANYTHING and amazingly it tastes good ;-) .. you can even cook in it.. whey protein isolate works for us .. maybe not everyone but quite frankly it aint broken I m not fixing it.. I m maintaining and making gains OFF cycle ..I got food and my shakes..
Oh im not knocking what u guys do at all! You guys both look great, so what u doin' is workin'!!! Whew weee those things are higher than giraffe pussy!!!
tread-mYeah but being up on that damn ladder kills my calves, especially on tren or var! Damn it!
Giraffe lmao! nice bro....
If a guys can afford two of theses you could just hire a live in chef lol lmao!!!