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+ 64 TRENBOLONE: how to destroy a myth

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We have had a lot of discussion about tren recently. Most of the posts published were rude and impolite. Thread degenerated into caos and insults so most of the posts were deleted. I agree with that.
Now I want to talk about Tren only Tren and nothing else.
First of all Tren was never approved for human use. In the late nineties tren was manifacturaed by a France company named Negma, its production was disontinued untill 1997's when it definetively ceased. Its commercial name was Parabolan. A mith was born. Remember that original Parabolan contained Trenbolone Hexahydrobenzylcarbonate the only chemical version ever approved for human use. As tren was almost never used for human use, if not for a short period of time,there is no medical research about it.
Tren is a steroid used by veterinarians on livestock to increase muscle growth and appetite. One feature of trenbolone that must be noted is its ability to improve feed efficiency and mineral absorption in animals given the drug. To help you understand what this means for you, feed efficiency is a measurement of how much of an animals diet is converted into meat, and the more food it takes to produce this meat, the lower the efficiency. Conversely, the less food it takes to produce meat the, higher the efficiency well you get the idea. Animals given trenbolone gained high quality weight without having their diet adjusted, thus improving feed efficiency. What does this translate to for the hard training athlete? The food you eat will be better utilized for building lean muscle, and vitamins and minerals are also better absorbed which may keep you healthier during cycle.

Why is Tren so powerful ??? Before answering this question we have to shed an eye on hormonal system and testosterone in particular.
Testosterone is a steroid hormone from the androgen group and is found in mammals, reptiles,birds,and other vertebrates. In mammals, testosterone is primarily secreted in the testes of males and the ovaries of females, although small amounts are also secreted by the adrenal glands. It is the principal male sex hormone and an anabolic steroid.
Particular properties of testosterone that are of note include that it converts enzymatically both to DHT and to estradiol (the most important of the estrogens). Since mother nature knows very well how to maintain balance part of the testosterone produced is converted in two different hormones to balance the whole system.
Of the "free" testosterone that interacts at the tissue level, much of it is converted within the cells to DHT - a more potent androgen - by the enzyme 5-alpha reductase. In the prostate, for example, this conversion is thought to be necessary for physiologic effects.
The conversion of testosterone into estrogens (estriol, estrone and estradiol) is governed by the aromatase enzyme complex and occurs mainly in the liver, brain and fat tissue.
To sum it up: As an example if you produce 100 mg of testosterone 5-10% is converted in DHT and 30-40% is converted in estrogen. Is it clear? If you have produced 100mg of testsosterone you will end up having 50mg of testosterone along with 10mg of DHT and 40mg of estrogen. As far as Tren is concerned this convertion do not occur.
Trenbolones chemical structure makes it resistant to the aromatize enzyme (conversion to estrogen) thus absolutely no percentage of trenbolone will convert to estrogen.
Trenbolone administration would not promote estrogenic side effects such as breast tissue growth in men (gynecomastia, bitch tits) accelerated fat gain, decline in fat break down and water retention trenbolone.
Trenbolone is also resistant to the 5- alpha-reductase enzyme.
What does it mean? That if you take 100 mg of trenbolone you will not have any conversation neither in DHT nor in estrogen.
That's way Tren milligram per milligram is more powerful than testosterone. 100mg of trenbolone holds 100mg of the same substance while 100mg of testosterone becomes 50mg of testosterone, 40mg of estrogen and 10mg of DHT. That it why tren is 5 times more powerful than testosterone.
Trenbolone is also a noted progestin: it binds to the receptor of the female sex hormone progesterone (with about 60% of the actual strength progesterone).
If tren is 5 times more powerful than testosterone why should I take the same dosage of testosterone? On the contrary I should take 5 times less tren's dosage than testosterone.
Most of the people report that Trenbolobne has very bad side effect. But if you look at it carefully are simply the same side effects that can be experienced by a testosterone abuse. Here is the link where i found testosterone side effects http://www.drugs.com/sfx/testosterone-side-effects.html
Testosterone side effects include: Severe allergic reactions (rash; hives; itching; difficulty breathing; tightness in the chest; swelling of the mouth, face, lips, or tongue); breast growth or pain; dark urine or light-colored bowel movements; depression or mood changes; dizziness; gingivitis; interrupted breathing while sleeping; loss of appetite; nausea; painful or prolonged erection; stomach pain; swelling of the ankles or legs; urination problems; weight gain; yellowing of the skin or eyes.
As you can see these are the same side effects reported by tren users.
Tren is a mith, an urban legend nothing more nothing less. Its use is safe untill you do not exceed the fair dosage and do not abuse of it. Most of the idiots out there runned dosage that were extremely dangerous because as I explained tren is 5 times more powerful than testosterone. So you will experience a lot of bad effects unless you run it in low dosage. That's all.
I don't want to persuade you to run Tren neither as you stop reading this thread nor to run it indiscriminately for the next cycle. I just want you to know that Tren is safe only if you know it and you comprehend that it is very very powerful as we have mentioned above.
In nature all the chemical substance could be safe or could be dangerous.
It depends by the quantity you use. Did you know that also water could be toxic?.
It is called water poisoning: "Water intoxication, also known as hyper-hydration, water poisoning, overhydration or hyponatremia, is a potentially fatal disturbance in brain functions that results when the normal balance of electrolytes in the body is pushed outside of safe limits by over-consumption of water."
Tren once more is a mith a stupid urban legend born because stupid guys used it without awareness, cogniction, knowledge, wisdom but only ignorance, stupidity and lack of though. The world of steroids is full of ignorance and stupidity and many people try to pursue the path of least resistent abusing and taking massive dose of chemical substance that could be very dangerous for your health.
My aim here is to let you know that:
1)steroids are drugs.
2)drugs can be dangerous to your health.
3)all chemical substances could be safe or dangerous. It is dose related.
4)Knowing that Tren is 5 times more powerful than testosterone you have to keep tren/testosterone ratio in 1/5 as mentioned above. It means if you run 250mg/week of testosterone you will need only 50mg of Tren to keep the fair ratio 1/5:250mg/5=50mg.
5)super-machomen doses or mega dose are unnecessary and stupid and they can be very harmful.
6)if you know the chemistry behind a substance you can use it safely.
7)information is all, without information you are cut off.
Remember that ignorance and stupidity are free and cheap.

Conclusion: the real master isn't who denies you to make your experiences but who makes you do your experiences safely...

remi73's picture

I have to say tren is intriguing,but i just cant come up with a reason to try it.i dont plan on doing shows,going pro. And if i did ever talk myself into it,id probably keep it at 100 mgs a week of the ace at roughly 33 mgs eod ,if its 5 times stronger then test that in my mind should be a fair dose,no? Plus being a virgin to it i would wanna feel out how i react first.

qb_1313's picture

try tren e, youd have more bearable sides for the most part

remi73's picture

Maybe so but if sides get crazy with e its 2 weeks at least to clear and deal with it.with a they would clear in a few days,ill take that over weeks of them.and i would only use a small dose of tren a week if i ever were to do it.at this time i have no reason or want to use that compound.i am not that hardcore into this game to use it.i like my test e, prop kick/taper.i respond well i know and like how i feel on it.very safe and affective for me.i appreciate the input though.

qb_1313's picture

i see your logic that makes sense, theres really no good way to try and deal with tren without some risk but its worth it imo

planker's picture

Nice consider the myth destroyed

Miketren's picture

Thank you for all the useful information. I hear people put it down for the sides all the time but with caber and ai I had no problems running it with test whatsoever but hcg definately helps!

The Fist's picture

WOW....that was a ton of info. Its been many years since I've been on a board ( yes, I'm new here ). I used to get my pellets and get a conversion kit. WTF happened to all that? It used to be so easy. I need some edumacation on this. I guess all good things eventually come to an end.

Miketren's picture

The pellets can be found as compound t-h now and the conversion kit can be replaced with your own beakers, jars, coffee filters, benzoyl alchahol, benzoyl benzoate, and grape seed oil or whatever you wish to suspend it in. Oh yeah and whatmans

The Fist's picture

I'd like a little more detailed info if you wouldn't mind accepting my friend request...

Keez's picture

Good read.
More to think about!

VIKING EVOLUTION's picture

says the expert ;/

hustlecoke's picture

good read, tnx

VIKING EVOLUTION's picture

Lol

The Impastable's picture

1G of tren at age 22....

mp62297's picture

lol

VIKING EVOLUTION's picture

Hahahahaaaaaaa..................... just what i did when i read his shit :/

22 suffering from diminishing returns lol................. i have tooth filings older than him, talk about shake my fkn head till it gets loose............ Holy fuck!!

The Impastable's picture

Lmfao! You might want a neck brace for that!

kibby's picture

Hahaha! Tooth fillings!!!!! Lmfao

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josh90's picture

Considering adding tren atm and this was really helpful! Thanks!

bigdub's picture

I'm on 300mg of test e every 4 days and 100mg of tren ace eod. I went from 320 lbs to 263 lbs in six mos. I;ve recently stopped and am having no sides so far . Maybe a little fatigued. Havent dpne any pct and am not having any gyno issues. I'm looking to get back on soon. Anyone have any suggestions on what a good tren cycle should be.

Serg Feltersnatch's picture

Wow, no sides with no pct! How long ago did you stop?

Dosas's picture

I'm on tren E right now and it's nothing short of amazing. In TREN I trust. Test and Tren only from now on. That's all I need. Thankfully I have no real harsh side effects on tren. I sleep a little lighter but no night sweats, however I do sweat heavily normally and tren does make me sweat 2x more when I work out. No gyno issues. No mood swings or agitation. I'm a very patient and level headed person so I'm sure that helps. I do get annoyed from time to time and if I get aggravated it could escalate fairly quickly but in my opinion, how you control yourself is all in YOUR OWN MIND. Strength has gone exponentially up. Went from benching 225 for a struggling 6-8 reps to benching 275 for 5 clean. I was 170 on test only and now I'm 180 and leaner and a lot more vascular. Before I took tren I was scared of it because of all the things people say about it from reading the boards, but once you try it, and hopefully the compound works well with your body, it is nothing short of amazing.

awesome-o-5000's picture

should your tren dosages be size dependent?
I remember reading that the soviet weightlifting coaches used to give anabolics on a ratio of higher mass higher dose.The super heavies literally being on two or three times the doses of the smaller lifters for the same increases in strength in comparison to what they were already lifting.

Kuragari's picture

New to the forums and was just about to write a post about Tren. You just answered every question i had about it really. Ive felt like i have always had issues when using Tren. And its always happened a week after Tren was introduced in my cycle. After your article it seems ive been doing it wrong. Way wrong.. but the way you put it makes sense. So a 1/5 ratio... i will give that a shot and see how i feel..
Thanks for the post

DrBolder's picture

Great post.. Excellent Read

DrManhattan's picture

Nice post dude, thanks for this!

k316's picture

Great post congrats

cybrsage's picture

I always heard you should start using Tren (A, not E) at 25mg and slowly up the dose from there to see if you can handle the sides. Since Tren-A leaves the body fast, it is the safe way to see if you can handle Tren and to find out what dose is best for you.

ashop's picture

That is a smart way to try TREN ACE. Low dosage to see how you tolerate it.

jagerbombs's picture

It's a marathon and not a sprint! The truest words spoken in the AAS game. Amen brother, let's keep our bro's educated and safe

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aidistributor's picture

There is no real substitute for Tren. All the pros are on tren and pretty much disregard the other oils.

juicer1165's picture

Excellent post OP. Thanks for putting the time and effort to educate us

Curbside Odin's picture

Informative, but I disagree on your ratios. Yes tren maybe 5x's more anabolic/androgenic, but to say that you "have" to keep your tren to test ratio at a 1/5 is pretty absurd. Everyone reacts to compounds differently, and people handle dosages differently. One thing about the aas game, there is no cookie cutter layout.

You have guys out there in there in the high test, low tren group, you have the 1:1 guys, and you have guys like me who like to keep their test low (trt style) and let the big compounds do the work. For me,I experience no sides except sweating like a fatboy. You just have to see what works for you...I am in agreement on keeping the dosages low and conservative and going from there.

After all its a marathon, not a sprint. Good writeup.

frankiejo's picture

Nice read. I used Parabolan in '92 and had no idea what it was. I was young and dumb. Good thing i only ran a few amps of the stuff. I happened to listen to a coworker who was growing fast and I wanted the same for me. I have to say that it hardened me right up.

Pipezilla's picture

great write up

frankiejo's picture

in your example of tren to test ratio does that mean for the tren 50mgs a week? and is that for any of the tren compounds?

Stronger81's picture

I appreciate all the info. It's hard to find true info out there.

Gixxer151's picture

It means if you run 250mg/week of testosterone you will need only 50mg of Tren to keep the fair ratio 1/5:250mg/5=50mg.

Is in it back wards lest test higher tren?

BRICKmason's picture

Great article! Tren is def my favorite addition to any cycle. It goes very well with Mast aswell! I am currently on my second Tren cycle and using the enthanate ester till week 10 and 3 weeks of Acetate there after. It def can cause issues for some people so its user beware when you do not know the effects it will have on you. I suggest using the Acetate ester for a first try to see how you react as it is easier to step as it clears your system alot faster then the enthanate version.

blackops79's picture

Some quality info here but the stuff about Tren being 5 times more powerful because it doesn't convert to Estro/DHT doesn't make sense. The 5 times more powerful comes from the Androgenic/Anabolic rating system where Test is 100/100 and Tren has a rating of 500/500.

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Bone_Saw's picture

After doing a lot of research I was convinced to NEVER run tren. All I was reading were horror stories of people running 500mg/week and becoming severely depressed and unmotivated. After reading this review my view has completely changed and I will probably run a low dose of 50mg/week a long with Test at 400mg/week for my next cycle. Thanks!