+ 59 TRENBOLONE: how to destroy a myth
We have had a lot of discussion about tren recently. Most of the posts published were rude and impolite. Thread degenerated into caos and insults so most of the posts were deleted. I agree with that.
Now I want to talk about Tren only Tren and nothing else.
First of all Tren was never approved for human use. In the late nineties tren was manifacturaed by a France company named Negma, its production was disontinued untill 1997's when it definetively ceased. Its commercial name was Parabolan. A mith was born. Remember that original Parabolan contained Trenbolone Hexahydrobenzylcarbonate the only chemical version ever approved for human use. As tren was almost never used for human use, if not for a short period of time,there is no medical research about it.
Tren is a steroid used by veterinarians on livestock to increase muscle growth and appetite. One feature of trenbolone that must be noted is its ability to improve feed efficiency and mineral absorption in animals given the drug. To help you understand what this means for you, feed efficiency is a measurement of how much of an animals diet is converted into meat, and the more food it takes to produce this meat, the lower the efficiency. Conversely, the less food it takes to produce meat the, higher the efficiency well you get the idea. Animals given trenbolone gained high quality weight without having their diet adjusted, thus improving feed efficiency. What does this translate to for the hard training athlete? The food you eat will be better utilized for building lean muscle, and vitamins and minerals are also better absorbed which may keep you healthier during cycle.
Why is Tren so powerful ??? Before answering this question we have to shed an eye on hormonal system and testosterone in particular.
Testosterone is a steroid hormone from the androgen group and is found in mammals, reptiles,birds,and other vertebrates. In mammals, testosterone is primarily secreted in the testes of males and the ovaries of females, although small amounts are also secreted by the adrenal glands. It is the principal male sex hormone and an anabolic steroid.
Particular properties of testosterone that are of note include that it converts enzymatically both to DHT and to estradiol (the most important of the estrogens). Since mother nature knows very well how to maintain balance part of the testosterone produced is converted in two different hormones to balance the whole system.
Of the "free" testosterone that interacts at the tissue level, much of it is converted within the cells to DHT - a more potent androgen - by the enzyme 5-alpha reductase. In the prostate, for example, this conversion is thought to be necessary for physiologic effects.
The conversion of testosterone into estrogens (estriol, estrone and estradiol) is governed by the aromatase enzyme complex and occurs mainly in the liver, brain and fat tissue.
To sum it up: As an example if you produce 100 mg of testosterone 5-10% is converted in DHT and 30-40% is converted in estrogen. Is it clear? If you have produced 100mg of testsosterone you will end up having 50mg of testosterone along with 10mg of DHT and 40mg of estrogen. As far as Tren is concerned this convertion do not occur.
Trenbolones chemical structure makes it resistant to the aromatize enzyme (conversion to estrogen) thus absolutely no percentage of trenbolone will convert to estrogen.
Trenbolone administration would not promote estrogenic side effects such as breast tissue growth in men (gynecomastia, bitch tits) accelerated fat gain, decline in fat break down and water retention trenbolone.
Trenbolone is also resistant to the 5- alpha-reductase enzyme.
What does it mean? That if you take 100 mg of trenbolone you will not have any conversation neither in DHT nor in estrogen.
That's way Tren milligram per milligram is more powerful than testosterone. 100mg of trenbolone holds 100mg of the same substance while 100mg of testosterone becomes 50mg of testosterone, 40mg of estrogen and 10mg of DHT. That it why tren is 5 times more powerful than testosterone.
Trenbolone is also a noted progestin: it binds to the receptor of the female sex hormone progesterone (with about 60% of the actual strength progesterone).
If tren is 5 times more powerful than testosterone why should I take the same dosage of testosterone? On the contrary I should take 5 times less tren's dosage than testosterone.
Most of the people report that Trenbolobne has very bad side effect. But if you look at it carefully are simply the same side effects that can be experienced by a testosterone abuse. Here is the link where i found testosterone side effects http://www.drugs.com/sfx/testosterone-side-effects.html
Testosterone side effects include: Severe allergic reactions (rash; hives; itching; difficulty breathing; tightness in the chest; swelling of the mouth, face, lips, or tongue); breast growth or pain; dark urine or light-colored bowel movements; depression or mood changes; dizziness; gingivitis; interrupted breathing while sleeping; loss of appetite; nausea; painful or prolonged erection; stomach pain; swelling of the ankles or legs; urination problems; weight gain; yellowing of the skin or eyes.
As you can see these are the same side effects reported by tren users.
Tren is a mith, an urban legend nothing more nothing less. Its use is safe untill you do not exceed the fair dosage and do not abuse of it. Most of the idiots out there runned dosage that were extremely dangerous because as I explained tren is 5 times more powerful than testosterone. So you will experience a lot of bad effects unless you run it in low dosage. That's all.
I don't want to persuade you to run Tren neither as you stop reading this thread nor to run it indiscriminately for the next cycle. I just want you to know that Tren is safe only if you know it and you comprehend that it is very very powerful as we have mentioned above.
In nature all the chemical substance could be safe or could be dangerous.
It depends by the quantity you use. Did you know that also water could be toxic?.
It is called water poisoning: "Water intoxication, also known as hyper-hydration, water poisoning, overhydration or hyponatremia, is a potentially fatal disturbance in brain functions that results when the normal balance of electrolytes in the body is pushed outside of safe limits by over-consumption of water."
Tren once more is a mith a stupid urban legend born because stupid guys used it without awareness, cogniction, knowledge, wisdom but only ignorance, stupidity and lack of though. The world of steroids is full of ignorance and stupidity and many people try to pursue the path of least resistent abusing and taking massive dose of chemical substance that could be very dangerous for your health.
My aim here is to let you know that:
1)steroids are drugs.
2)drugs can be dangerous to your health.
3)all chemical substances could be safe or dangerous. It is dose related.
4)Knowing that Tren is 5 times more powerful than testosterone you have to keep tren/testosterone ratio in 1/5 as mentioned above. It means if you run 250mg/week of testosterone you will need only 50mg of Tren to keep the fair ratio 1/5:250mg/5=50mg.
5)super-machomen doses or mega dose are unnecessary and stupid and they can be very harmful.
6)if you know the chemistry behind a substance you can use it safely.
7)information is all, without information you are cut off.
Remember that ignorance and stupidity are free and cheap.
Conclusion: the real master isn't who denies you to make your experiences but who makes you do your experiences safely...
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Hey bro at 25mg does it affect your hair lines?
Hate to bump this but has there been an answer to this yet? If there is no DHT conversion then there should be no problem with MPB/hair loss. Technically this would be one of the best roids for those that are afraid of going bald. Am I correct on this?
tren is one of the worst for hairloss due to its very high androgenic rating. users will tell you this drug has scalped them. not sure about a very low dose, but regular doses are bad for your hairl if you have mpb. deca is best for the hair as it reduced to a less potent drug
the key thing to note here is "IF you have mpb".
IF
I personally would not recommend tren to anyone worried about hair loss.
I agree, had a buddy of mine who tried Tren acetate for a couple cycles.. messed up his hairline bad!
tren actually made me GROW hair.
on my knuckles.
Really? What were you running the Tren at before? I will definitely run it at lower doses if i can get the same results since it would save me a lot of money.
well i tried to run 50mg/d about a week ago and got the sides I do at 100mg/d, 35mg/d seems to be my sweet spot.
Hmmmmm
I'm going to run 50/mg ED probably but watch closely at the sides. I think I will try to start lower at around 30CC ED for the first week.
you should know by the third day if your gonna get sides, if you dont by day 5 try 50mg/d, youll know that night or the next day if theres gonna be sides
I pinned 30cc this morning for day one of my SM labs Tren Ace. I'll be on the lookout day 3 for that Tren feel and level accordingly. My only concern is that I won't get the same results that I get from a higher dose. I know result is based on workout/diet/sleep/mood and my workouts can always be worked on but they are puke bucket black dot stuff at times so I know I'm pushing hard. I also rest hard haha.
If this works with 30 or even 50 I'll be pretty pumped.
JtizzleBased on alot of Roid's posts about Tren I am so much more informed on smart dosage. I would have prob ran 100-150mg/eod but I am going to try 20-25mg/ed and see how it goes. Keep us posted Roid...
Nice read very informative, is this your thoughts on Tren or any 19-nor?
thank you for this insiteful info.Getting ready to start Tren A and have learned more in a 2 minute read than from any other board.Thanks man !!!
jasonhThanks never tried tren and am consideing it for next cycle definatly of help deciding on dosage for first time use. know how long to run it?
Kuddos bro. I also learned... even more. Thanks!
Hey mate it's good to see someone else putting actual info out there. I have done a few posts on different compounds. It's funny thought how little response you actualy get. People seem to pay alot of the info off or they seem to only take in what they want. By doing that it is all out of context. Well done. Keep up the good work.
Thank you for the info Anon .
AnonThank to all of YOU... The point of this thread is: everything is dangerous.
If you drink a glass of wine it could be healthy but if you drink the whole bottle it could be harmful. Since I am here I have found in many post disinformation, superstition and ignorance. Belive me when I say ignorance is the worst.
Tren like every steroids available could be useful or could be harmful. It is dose related.
About either 7gothig or others who had suffered of tren negative reactions I always suggest to ask:"how much did you run?" before draw conclusion.
About our mod.7gothic I urge all of you upon reading in his post how much tren he was running before getting sick. He ran 700mg/week af tren. Was he sage ? If we consider as I explained tren/testosterone ratio 5/1 it was as if he were to ran 3500mg/week of testosterone. So as you can see it was madness, insanity.
Tren is safe as long as you run it in mild dose - and when I say mild I mean also 25mg/week, supermacho are warned - as well as when possible run always Trenbolone Hexahydrobenzylcarbonate the only chemical version approved for human use.
76,5mg/week is more than enough and please do not increase the dose before 4 weeks.
This version acts longer than enanthate version and its realese is smooth and uniform. This is only a tip not an invite to run tren tomorrow ok????
phil113kgHi, reading this thread helped a lot but left me scratching my head. I have been searching and reading everything about tren to try to help with some of the questions I have before running my batch for my pre contest prep. I have 10 weeks to prepare and 4 10ml 200mg/ml bottles of rip blend by GP. I was thinking of doing 1ml ED but did 1ml EOD for the last three weeks during my prior cycle as a test to see how my body would react and got the swollen ankle sides. But now after reading your post I am wondering if my first plan of running 1ml ED is too much. I also have winstrol tabs on hand and one 10 ml bottle of equi-test for the pre load. My body fat percentage is low, maybe under ten as a guess, cause i can see the individual muscles in my legs and hams and thought that running this rip blend might allow me to increase the size and density of my muscle bellies while continuing to drop fat for the shows. Give me your thoughts on this if you please, thanks
I ran 500mg of tren a week and had some sides but such as anger amd acne which I never get. I take Xanex so the mood swings were easily dealt with and the acne went away from tanning.
7Gothic can run wherever he chooses and is as informative and helpful as any member on here.
Good read and very good research. This was a well thought out post but you could of gone without calling out members such as Goth.
I didn't get sick from running tren, dickwad. I got sick from massive blood loss due to stomach ulcers caused by motrin and prednisone.
My only beef with you was that you spout off...:"Just try it" without knowing anything about the guy you were saying it to.
Tren is NOT a steroid I suggest at ANY dosdage, because your're only going to get signifcant results from running higher dosages. That means crazy sides.
You think you've got it all down, and you DON'T.
Run along and quit clogging up the forum with your phony, false brvado, because frankly, I've heard enough of it.
Anonthank bro, you got the point...you explained very weel what I meant...
dansta123lets hope all practice safe doses aswell as being fully prepared with all blood work and check ups with tren.
Well spoken! This is why I belong only to this sight, the knowledge and wisdom is unsurpassed!!!
Makes a valid point, alot of info I was unaware of...
Dont really like the guy but his information is worthy of a sticky
Anonthanks,...remember that you don't like me too..ha ha ha
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PermalinkYea sometimes when people get me confused with my other selfs that they don't like I like to remind them that they don't like me either. I don't know why they think it's so funny, but, like whatever.
LMAO! Your the one im talking about!
Jtizzlegreat read man. thanks
Anonthanks
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PermalinkAnongreat post bro...+2
Anonthanks mate...
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Permalinkdansta123TIPS HAT..great info.tren has a bad rep.good to know abit more info on this power house..
dansta123recent events with senior members becoming sickly on researched monitored doses of this dark horse of a drug have cemented the fact that tren is not to be taken likely and we are all not built the same..some may walk away fine yet others do go through hell..for me the gamble is just not worth it..still some good info.posted.and for a brief second i did contemplate fuuuuuture cycle with it..but seriously what for!
Anonthanks bro
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Permalinkkryptonitei would like to share my experience with tren i LOVE THE STUFF it is the most effective steroid i have used and i have used everything, but before you judge what i have to say and the doses i use i like to experiment on my self and i am not scared of death.
please keep in mind i do not condone this type of behavior and everyone reacts differently to drugs so find whats right for you.
i am on trt(sustanon) and have not come of steroids for 2 years i just change compounds when they dont become effective anymore or if i'm bulking or cutting.
i ran Tren A 200-300mg a day(1.4g-2.1g a week) for 6 months from an excellent source very high grade had it lab tested by chemika and it came back at 98% purity
i also did Test prop 100mg a day (700mg a week) for 6 months form the same source
proviron 100mg a day
cabergoline 0.5mg every 3 days
anastrozole quater tablet every 3 days
i also got blood tests done every 4 weeks for liver values and out of all the steroids i have used trenbolone raised my liver values more than any other compound(again could be just me may be different for other people but you should always keep it checked)
anyway this is what happened i went from 100kg and 24%body fat down to 85kg and 9% body fat (and did not even do cardio a personal choice not a healthy one).
i ate a pretty clean cutting diet but nothing to overboard ,massive veins and muscle looked really ripped six pack ect but of course it can have side effects like mental anger although pretty rare, acne controlled by accutane , night sweats although i found this can be controlled by the amount of carbs you eat and i also noticed the longer you take tren the more effective it is and the less side effects you have.
i am now bulking using
150mg anadrol a day for six weeks
deca 1.2g a week
masteron 600mg a week
cabergoline 0.5mg every three days
anastrozole quater tablet every three days
t3 12mg a day