+ 66 TRENBOLONE: how to destroy a myth
We have had a lot of discussion about tren recently. Most of the posts published were rude and impolite. Thread degenerated into caos and insults so most of the posts were deleted. I agree with that.
Now I want to talk about Tren only Tren and nothing else.
First of all Tren was never approved for human use. In the late nineties tren was manifacturaed by a France company named Negma, its production was disontinued untill 1997's when it definetively ceased. Its commercial name was Parabolan. A mith was born. Remember that original Parabolan contained Trenbolone Hexahydrobenzylcarbonate the only chemical version ever approved for human use. As tren was almost never used for human use, if not for a short period of time,there is no medical research about it.
Tren is a steroid used by veterinarians on livestock to increase muscle growth and appetite. One feature of trenbolone that must be noted is its ability to improve feed efficiency and mineral absorption in animals given the drug. To help you understand what this means for you, feed efficiency is a measurement of how much of an animals diet is converted into meat, and the more food it takes to produce this meat, the lower the efficiency. Conversely, the less food it takes to produce meat the, higher the efficiency well you get the idea. Animals given trenbolone gained high quality weight without having their diet adjusted, thus improving feed efficiency. What does this translate to for the hard training athlete? The food you eat will be better utilized for building lean muscle, and vitamins and minerals are also better absorbed which may keep you healthier during cycle.
Why is Tren so powerful ??? Before answering this question we have to shed an eye on hormonal system and testosterone in particular.
Testosterone is a steroid hormone from the androgen group and is found in mammals, reptiles,birds,and other vertebrates. In mammals, testosterone is primarily secreted in the testes of males and the ovaries of females, although small amounts are also secreted by the adrenal glands. It is the principal male sex hormone and an anabolic steroid.
Particular properties of testosterone that are of note include that it converts enzymatically both to DHT and to estradiol (the most important of the estrogens). Since mother nature knows very well how to maintain balance part of the testosterone produced is converted in two different hormones to balance the whole system.
Of the "free" testosterone that interacts at the tissue level, much of it is converted within the cells to DHT - a more potent androgen - by the enzyme 5-alpha reductase. In the prostate, for example, this conversion is thought to be necessary for physiologic effects.
The conversion of testosterone into estrogens (estriol, estrone and estradiol) is governed by the aromatase enzyme complex and occurs mainly in the liver, brain and fat tissue.
To sum it up: As an example if you produce 100 mg of testosterone 5-10% is converted in DHT and 30-40% is converted in estrogen. Is it clear? If you have produced 100mg of testsosterone you will end up having 50mg of testosterone along with 10mg of DHT and 40mg of estrogen. As far as Tren is concerned this convertion do not occur.
Trenbolones chemical structure makes it resistant to the aromatize enzyme (conversion to estrogen) thus absolutely no percentage of trenbolone will convert to estrogen.
Trenbolone administration would not promote estrogenic side effects such as breast tissue growth in men (gynecomastia, bitch tits) accelerated fat gain, decline in fat break down and water retention trenbolone.
Trenbolone is also resistant to the 5- alpha-reductase enzyme.
What does it mean? That if you take 100 mg of trenbolone you will not have any conversation neither in DHT nor in estrogen.
That's way Tren milligram per milligram is more powerful than testosterone. 100mg of trenbolone holds 100mg of the same substance while 100mg of testosterone becomes 50mg of testosterone, 40mg of estrogen and 10mg of DHT. That it why tren is 5 times more powerful than testosterone.
Trenbolone is also a noted progestin: it binds to the receptor of the female sex hormone progesterone (with about 60% of the actual strength progesterone).
If tren is 5 times more powerful than testosterone why should I take the same dosage of testosterone? On the contrary I should take 5 times less tren's dosage than testosterone.
Most of the people report that Trenbolobne has very bad side effect. But if you look at it carefully are simply the same side effects that can be experienced by a testosterone abuse. Here is the link where i found testosterone side effects http://www.drugs.com/sfx/testosterone-side-effects.html
Testosterone side effects include: Severe allergic reactions (rash; hives; itching; difficulty breathing; tightness in the chest; swelling of the mouth, face, lips, or tongue); breast growth or pain; dark urine or light-colored bowel movements; depression or mood changes; dizziness; gingivitis; interrupted breathing while sleeping; loss of appetite; nausea; painful or prolonged erection; stomach pain; swelling of the ankles or legs; urination problems; weight gain; yellowing of the skin or eyes.
As you can see these are the same side effects reported by tren users.
Tren is a mith, an urban legend nothing more nothing less. Its use is safe untill you do not exceed the fair dosage and do not abuse of it. Most of the idiots out there runned dosage that were extremely dangerous because as I explained tren is 5 times more powerful than testosterone. So you will experience a lot of bad effects unless you run it in low dosage. That's all.
I don't want to persuade you to run Tren neither as you stop reading this thread nor to run it indiscriminately for the next cycle. I just want you to know that Tren is safe only if you know it and you comprehend that it is very very powerful as we have mentioned above.
In nature all the chemical substance could be safe or could be dangerous.
It depends by the quantity you use. Did you know that also water could be toxic?.
It is called water poisoning: "Water intoxication, also known as hyper-hydration, water poisoning, overhydration or hyponatremia, is a potentially fatal disturbance in brain functions that results when the normal balance of electrolytes in the body is pushed outside of safe limits by over-consumption of water."
Tren once more is a mith a stupid urban legend born because stupid guys used it without awareness, cogniction, knowledge, wisdom but only ignorance, stupidity and lack of though. The world of steroids is full of ignorance and stupidity and many people try to pursue the path of least resistent abusing and taking massive dose of chemical substance that could be very dangerous for your health.
My aim here is to let you know that:
1)steroids are drugs.
2)drugs can be dangerous to your health.
3)all chemical substances could be safe or dangerous. It is dose related.
4)Knowing that Tren is 5 times more powerful than testosterone you have to keep tren/testosterone ratio in 1/5 as mentioned above. It means if you run 250mg/week of testosterone you will need only 50mg of Tren to keep the fair ratio 1/5:250mg/5=50mg.
5)super-machomen doses or mega dose are unnecessary and stupid and they can be very harmful.
6)if you know the chemistry behind a substance you can use it safely.
7)information is all, without information you are cut off.
Remember that ignorance and stupidity are free and cheap.
Conclusion: the real master isn't who denies you to make your experiences but who makes you do your experiences safely...
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Thankx for good compiled info and warnings,
Even I am new for community I believe everyone should follow the warnings you mentioned.
I am starting my journey by keeping those warnings in mind.
I wrote a more detailed post in my cycle log but ever since i started ED shots of tren and mast and cut test prop (im closing in on my show day in a couple weeks) i feel amazing, euphoric and have that "alpha" feeling (not arrogant or superior) but in a good and pleasant way, like nothing can phaze me. I am not sure what the culprit is but i think it might be a combo of both tren not antagonizing test and ED shots that give more stable bloods.
Ahaha, don't mind me, just asked a stupid question and deleted it.
P4rtyGreat post !
I noticed a patern but someone else can confirm if they had the same results. I found that im getting nightsweats on tren ace only when i carb up. Im 4 weeks out atm and since i stopped carb up days i dont get night sweats. Correlation doesnt mean causation but someone can pitch in if they had similar exp.
You stumbled upon a well known solution for a well known problem.
Quit eating carbs, or eat fewer, later in the day.
This was awesome. Especially since I'm strongly considering running it soon
I’ve found Tren E has less intense sides but the same results.
Ordering some trying it for first time thank you for the insight.
RicoRavageGreat post. Thanks for the insight!
Thanks for the detailed though out information . It is really appreciated
TREN E made me a complete insomniac, lunatic during the first 4 month of use, but let me tell you that no other gear gave me that level of lean mass, strength and vascularity. Ran it with test e for about 8 month at 500mg a week.
Very strong compound.
500mg tren or 500 tren/test...whole different ball game
You're absolutely right, Tren E 250mg /w, Test E 250mg /w.
Did you notice any pain or swelling of the testicles? I did back to back sustanon cycles that lasted about 6 months but I had to stop due to the intense pain and swelling. Went to doctor and he said that doing a steroid cycle is really not that dangerous, the concern is when you go too long without allowing your body to produce its own,,,,hope this helps someone/anyone!!
None of these side effects for me mate. Actually as far as my testicles, the only side effect I noticed was a little shrinking but after taking some Ovigil, it went back to normal. Hope you feel better
You ran tren for eight (8) months straight!?!
Yes. I had some amazing gear and results. It was very hard to stop
That's fucking crazy mate....8 months would have me on a murder charge.
Or classed as a cerial killer
You're absolutely right, the secret it's to be surrounded by good people. I would have never done that with my ex-wife around
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Definitely not for beginners
I ran Tran A at 700 mg a week in late 2016. I was very skeptical because I was not getting the bitter Sweet tren sides that everyone ranted about..... However I was still getting good gains and everyone was praising the source's product so I gained trust.. I ran a medium test. Everyone debates over high tren - low test or high test. I just stuck to about 400 mg a week. I ran it for 8 weeks. I recently came across some DP oral tren that was extremely cheap. Cheap enough to also be a skeptical. I have yet to get bunk stuff... I just get freaked out with all the fake stuff going around... And stories of people getting ripped off.
I started running this about 9 days ago 750 mcg daily. 250 mcg every 8 hours. I thought I was feeling it kick in after like 24 hours, however , I did not want to get excited with Placebo. After about 3 days..The short temper was coming on along with an overall pumped feeling and sense of well being. 2 nights ago I started getting a little insomnia. But the insomnia doesn't start until around 4 am. I think it's because I'm taking it before bed. But because of the half life...It should be every 8 hours. So it's a catch22. Sweats aren't bad.. just a sticky feeling. I think I am one of the luckier ones who don't get the horrific night sides because this stuff is extremely potent. I'm only running it for 3 weeks because of liver toxicity. I am taking all the precautions as well. I feel like it doubles gains in half the time. I am not recommending it.. it's on a personal basis... But I'm running it safe and seeing great results.
jayiskI only got sides with tren a.., fine with m-tren and tren-e
I would argue that the aggression from tren a is due to sides like insomnia, having to eat all the time, lethargy, etc.
I know without any drugs if i'm not sleeping and hungry i get nasty quick.
For me the Tren no ester is the best because I can get the benefits without becoming completely asthmatic and destroying my cardio.
I have been running gear for over a decade and been rather liberal with it too.....not advising this, just sharing....
Ive been upto 250mg tren ace ED for 4 weeks....the golden nectar of the gods!!! I HB'd a batch once and it was jet fuel!
A strange experience, I felt amazing and awful at the same time....
Physique was changing daily, had a constant pump all day, destroyed my log book in the gym.
BUUUUTTTTT the amount of weed I had to smoke to stop me from climbing the walls was ridiculous. I couldn't sit and relax without 'help'.....I would fidgit, squirm, sweat, sleep 4 hours and be wide awake, I became snappy....the sides were brutal....I would eat and within 90mins get painful hunger pangs.
best thing I have ever done physique and performance wise (I train Strongman)....but the sides became intolerable pretty fast....so not worth it @ that dose.
Yukon_JackDamn u started running gear before u were 18? Or maybe fix those stats,or just keep it 100!
jayiskStats
Age: 27
Height: 185
Weight: 87
Most still be smoking all that weed "to keep from climbing the walls"
250 mg a day of tren a. may have added that 0 in that number due to the short term memory lose from weed.
Yukon_JackI think he meant 25grams a week of tren a. But I have been looking for this guy he calls strongman so I can see how he's looking so I can get an idea if karmasutra knows what he's talking about cuz from the way he's talking I might be wiring him a retainer fee& say bye_bye to my current coach.
I did my first tren cycle this year and wow!! I started at 200 mg a week to see if my body reacts well to the sides, I’ve bumped it up to 300 mg a week. The only sides I get from this was that my cardio was affected, I bumped my carbs from 180 to 300 slowly and I’m still shredding fat and getting fuller, Love this compound, and with the lab I’m using I got no “tren cough” and I used tren ace so I’ve pinned it 3 times a week
Tren A is the most amazing experience of any steroid I have ever used but the sides are so negative for me I rarely have used in the past five years.
If I could sleep on it and not get completely insane about shit that happened when I was 10 years old
I'd run it again looool
My second TREN cycle forced me to realize how powerful this anabolic compound can be. Yes, I received amazing lean mass, vascularity, and strength; but I did not prepare for the mental shift. You must always be mindful that your on an aggressive substance when you are alone or around people, especially ones that you care about. I became this huge, cut, enforcer that absolutely needed freaky sex all the time to calm my beast like aggression. Blood pressure ran high, almost fainted after a few heavy lifts. I burned amazing fat during soaking night sweats. I'm not trying to scare or overstate my experience, I hope people will be safe and enjoy.
24thanGood read...thank you
i love tren, i cant wait to run it later on in the spring again
Thank you
Thanks for spreading the knowledge very helpful!
Anyone ever had extreme tren flu?
I remember my first cycle I ran a Test Prop/Tren Ace Blend called TAS-BOL by Northern Trust Pharm. from a source that used to be around Trustedanabolicsolutions I do regret doing that on my first cycle and by no means am I advocating anyone to do so but Holy Shit was that some Amazing Gear I've ran tren from 6 different labs since then and never got the tren sides like Night Sweats, Lethargy, Constant feeling of warmth from any other Tren and my usual dosage is 100mg ed and I do get great results but not many sides except the aggression I actually get really bad sometimes when I'm driving especially I dont act on it any longer I have learned to control it but early on I would have dangerous Road Rage or I'd just do reckless stupid immature shit like walking directly to the front of the line ahead of everyone. I do have to say this though because I think its retarded when people judge the quality of tren by whether they get tren cough or not, when I run Tren I pin everyday like I said usually 1cc so I've pinned tren HUNDREDS of times and I have never gotten Tren Cough not even once and I know color has nothing to do with potency but ive never seen the dark rusty orange color tren before I believe thats from oxidation if I'm not mistaken but I think it would be cool to get some orange tren once and I wanna try Hex soon it doesnt make sense to me since tren is tren but I often read reports from people that have had real hex saying it did things to theyre body no compound or other ester of tren even has done before. Please noone comment on my spelling or grammar I know its horrible but thats why I joined the Marines not Air Force
Tren is the best substance I have used. That being said you have to really keep an eye on your vitals and blood pressure. And I have tried it both ways high test low tren and high tren low test. Let's just say the high tren low test sucked for me because it made me lethargic and not even enjoy my workouts. But the other I feel great and get great results from it also and yes the sides I get aren't that bad. Night sweats and crazy dreams but other gab that I think it's legit and safe to use responsibly but everyone's different so good luck just never start at a high dose when it's not needed. Ps I only run the tren e and have never tried the acetate!
Tren is king. I'll run it forever. (yes, on and off).
Tren is life at this point.
LOL 1 thing I get from Tren: Incredible results far better than just TEST. What I dont ever get? Sides. I dont get this harsh sides crap.. some people may be allergic I dont know. I onyl get 2 mild sides and those are mild acne and increased resting heart rate.
I think the true myth is building Tren up to be a boogeyman when so many of us feel totally normal on even high doses and then recommending us take a tiny dose. No.... the reason I take tren is so I dont have to inject 12 fucking milileters of Test into my ass every week LOL
The only thing I got from Tren was a worst attitude (had a bad one to begin with)...it fucked with my tolerance levels - but gave me nothing else. From my experience - I would never touch it again...
Horrible drug for me. Nightmares, night sweats, insomnia, couldn't think straight at all " lethargic ", the worst part was I'm not an angry person but it made me one... I think it has to do with all of the sides... i watched my estrogen levels, blood pressure and lactation levels as well
wow great info! I'm so glad I joined.
I won't run tren. This is because of how it affects me, which can and will be vastly different than other's experiences.
I have several psychological disorders and issues that see negative effects due to tren aggression. For most people, this minor to moderate increase in aggression is easily dealt with and directed in a positive manner. For me, I already suffer from psychotic and violent episodes as a result of having Borderline Personality Disorder along with severe PTSD.
This is my issue and mine alone. My point is for everyone to realize and understand how tren and other AAS affect them personally and to work from there.
Tren is perfect for some and a nightmare for others. This can be said of all AAS.
Know yourself and your reactions.
Please, if nothing else, read, research, and study. Ask questions. Get as many answers and info sources as you can.
Tren has its place, but just not for me. For someone who can tolerate it well, I say use it safely and to its maximum effect for you. That can be said of all AAS.
If it weren't for the way tren ramps up my aggression due to my predisposition to aggression, I'd love the stuff.
Rick GrimesI cant run it for similar. Reasons.
JaySteeleNice work... but i want to be sure of the things everyone seems sure of.
Where did the data that fed the old standby chart showing (for instance, that) tren:test is 5:1, anyhow?
Im not sure we know its true, or if its true in given circumstances only, or what.
Im looking for substantiation of the androgenic/anabolic strength of AAS : androgenic/anabolic strength of T - not as a meaningful measure against T necessarily... lll be grateful even if its just a relative value.
Anyone know?
And, if tren : test is 5 : 1, shouldnt a sustained dose of 80mg tren per week build the same amount of muscle as a sustained dose of 400 mg T?
or is it more complicated? (Yes)
Luv u Auntie Mabel,
Chico
The idea or fact that tren in any form is fives stronger than testosterone in any form comes from the Hershberger Chart or as many call it, the Anabolic/Androgenic chart. On this chart, testosterone is listed as 100/100 and is used as the baseline by which all other anabolic and androgenic hormones are compared.
Tren, in any form, is listed as 500/500 making five times stronger than testosterone according to the chart.
This would mean, all things being equal, that whatever effects testosterone has that tren would do fives as well on a milligram to milligram comparison.
The problem comes in when you look at the history of the Hershberger Chart also known as the Hershberger Assay.
The ratios were derived by administering AAS to rats, then conducting post mortem analysis of the effects. To determine the anabolic effect, the levator ani muscle was measured in the rat. This is the muscle that controls tail wagging. The rate of increase in muscle size in comparison to the rate of increase caused by testosterone yields the numerical result in a percentage. The androgenic effect was derived the same way, but by measuring the increase in size of the seminal vessels and the prostate.
The problem with this whole conclusion is the study used rats and the levator ani muscle is not a skeletal muscle.
Use of the chart as a general guideline to the strength of any certain AAS in ratio to testosterone is fine, but everyone needs to take into account that the endocrine and reproductive systems of humans are much different that those of the common rat. Hope this helps.