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+ 59 TRENBOLONE: how to destroy a myth

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We have had a lot of discussion about tren recently. Most of the posts published were rude and impolite. Thread degenerated into caos and insults so most of the posts were deleted. I agree with that.
Now I want to talk about Tren only Tren and nothing else.
First of all Tren was never approved for human use. In the late nineties tren was manifacturaed by a France company named Negma, its production was disontinued untill 1997's when it definetively ceased. Its commercial name was Parabolan. A mith was born. Remember that original Parabolan contained Trenbolone Hexahydrobenzylcarbonate the only chemical version ever approved for human use. As tren was almost never used for human use, if not for a short period of time,there is no medical research about it.
Tren is a steroid used by veterinarians on livestock to increase muscle growth and appetite. One feature of trenbolone that must be noted is its ability to improve feed efficiency and mineral absorption in animals given the drug. To help you understand what this means for you, feed efficiency is a measurement of how much of an animals diet is converted into meat, and the more food it takes to produce this meat, the lower the efficiency. Conversely, the less food it takes to produce meat the, higher the efficiency well you get the idea. Animals given trenbolone gained high quality weight without having their diet adjusted, thus improving feed efficiency. What does this translate to for the hard training athlete? The food you eat will be better utilized for building lean muscle, and vitamins and minerals are also better absorbed which may keep you healthier during cycle.

Why is Tren so powerful ??? Before answering this question we have to shed an eye on hormonal system and testosterone in particular.
Testosterone is a steroid hormone from the androgen group and is found in mammals, reptiles,birds,and other vertebrates. In mammals, testosterone is primarily secreted in the testes of males and the ovaries of females, although small amounts are also secreted by the adrenal glands. It is the principal male sex hormone and an anabolic steroid.
Particular properties of testosterone that are of note include that it converts enzymatically both to DHT and to estradiol (the most important of the estrogens). Since mother nature knows very well how to maintain balance part of the testosterone produced is converted in two different hormones to balance the whole system.
Of the "free" testosterone that interacts at the tissue level, much of it is converted within the cells to DHT - a more potent androgen - by the enzyme 5-alpha reductase. In the prostate, for example, this conversion is thought to be necessary for physiologic effects.
The conversion of testosterone into estrogens (estriol, estrone and estradiol) is governed by the aromatase enzyme complex and occurs mainly in the liver, brain and fat tissue.
To sum it up: As an example if you produce 100 mg of testosterone 5-10% is converted in DHT and 30-40% is converted in estrogen. Is it clear? If you have produced 100mg of testsosterone you will end up having 50mg of testosterone along with 10mg of DHT and 40mg of estrogen. As far as Tren is concerned this convertion do not occur.
Trenbolones chemical structure makes it resistant to the aromatize enzyme (conversion to estrogen) thus absolutely no percentage of trenbolone will convert to estrogen.
Trenbolone administration would not promote estrogenic side effects such as breast tissue growth in men (gynecomastia, bitch tits) accelerated fat gain, decline in fat break down and water retention trenbolone.
Trenbolone is also resistant to the 5- alpha-reductase enzyme.
What does it mean? That if you take 100 mg of trenbolone you will not have any conversation neither in DHT nor in estrogen.
That's way Tren milligram per milligram is more powerful than testosterone. 100mg of trenbolone holds 100mg of the same substance while 100mg of testosterone becomes 50mg of testosterone, 40mg of estrogen and 10mg of DHT. That it why tren is 5 times more powerful than testosterone.
Trenbolone is also a noted progestin: it binds to the receptor of the female sex hormone progesterone (with about 60% of the actual strength progesterone).
If tren is 5 times more powerful than testosterone why should I take the same dosage of testosterone? On the contrary I should take 5 times less tren's dosage than testosterone.
Most of the people report that Trenbolobne has very bad side effect. But if you look at it carefully are simply the same side effects that can be experienced by a testosterone abuse. Here is the link where i found testosterone side effects http://www.drugs.com/sfx/testosterone-side-effects.html
Testosterone side effects include: Severe allergic reactions (rash; hives; itching; difficulty breathing; tightness in the chest; swelling of the mouth, face, lips, or tongue); breast growth or pain; dark urine or light-colored bowel movements; depression or mood changes; dizziness; gingivitis; interrupted breathing while sleeping; loss of appetite; nausea; painful or prolonged erection; stomach pain; swelling of the ankles or legs; urination problems; weight gain; yellowing of the skin or eyes.
As you can see these are the same side effects reported by tren users.
Tren is a mith, an urban legend nothing more nothing less. Its use is safe untill you do not exceed the fair dosage and do not abuse of it. Most of the idiots out there runned dosage that were extremely dangerous because as I explained tren is 5 times more powerful than testosterone. So you will experience a lot of bad effects unless you run it in low dosage. That's all.
I don't want to persuade you to run Tren neither as you stop reading this thread nor to run it indiscriminately for the next cycle. I just want you to know that Tren is safe only if you know it and you comprehend that it is very very powerful as we have mentioned above.
In nature all the chemical substance could be safe or could be dangerous.
It depends by the quantity you use. Did you know that also water could be toxic?.
It is called water poisoning: "Water intoxication, also known as hyper-hydration, water poisoning, overhydration or hyponatremia, is a potentially fatal disturbance in brain functions that results when the normal balance of electrolytes in the body is pushed outside of safe limits by over-consumption of water."
Tren once more is a mith a stupid urban legend born because stupid guys used it without awareness, cogniction, knowledge, wisdom but only ignorance, stupidity and lack of though. The world of steroids is full of ignorance and stupidity and many people try to pursue the path of least resistent abusing and taking massive dose of chemical substance that could be very dangerous for your health.
My aim here is to let you know that:
1)steroids are drugs.
2)drugs can be dangerous to your health.
3)all chemical substances could be safe or dangerous. It is dose related.
4)Knowing that Tren is 5 times more powerful than testosterone you have to keep tren/testosterone ratio in 1/5 as mentioned above. It means if you run 250mg/week of testosterone you will need only 50mg of Tren to keep the fair ratio 1/5:250mg/5=50mg.
5)super-machomen doses or mega dose are unnecessary and stupid and they can be very harmful.
6)if you know the chemistry behind a substance you can use it safely.
7)information is all, without information you are cut off.
Remember that ignorance and stupidity are free and cheap.

Conclusion: the real master isn't who denies you to make your experiences but who makes you do your experiences safely...

gly4197's picture

Awesome info I posted how I ran a tren cycle and was bashed but it fired me up and I have been doing nothing but reading since. I loved the results I got from it. But some of the comments and replys I got led me in what I believe to be a great direction. Again awesome info man

TooLate4Me's picture

I am currently on my first run of tren ace. After years of blasting and cruising with a few layoffs in between, i have found the need to add this compound to my cycle. I must say that during this cycle i too have experimented with the test/tren ratio and for me, it seems to be tren at twice the test dose..at this ratio i am very happy with gains and also comfortable with sides..A little insomnia and night sweats is the worst i seem to experience but that seems to be related to eating habits also. I find if i eat carbs late at night the sides are amplified. Added a solid dose of Mast p and i seem to have found that sacred cycle of the Gods..

cartman69's picture

Yeah, if you go to my profile and check out the cycle I did a while back, I feel the same way with regards to keeping the Test low and the Tren High, and adding the Masteron in really affected the cycle in a good way, other than hair issues later on. Regardless, if you want to keep your sides as low as possible, I personally follow the belief Tren/High, Test/Low....the combo ends up being super powerful and your strength and size go through the roof, even if your diet isn't on point, but you really grow if you throw in the right amount of Protein; which ends up being entirely too much ;)

TooLate4Me's picture

i just checked out your cycle and noticed you ran your tren for 12 weeks..what would be the longest you have ran it for and did you find the need to lower your dose or was that just for pct reasons? im thinking 12 weeks then cruise for 4-6 then another blast but tren e/ test e/ dbol..i will front load tren ace first 2 weeks and run the dbol 6 weeks at 50mg ed..

TooLate4Me's picture

definitely agree with the protien..lol i try to keep my diet in check but feel that i just crave carbs..lack the hunger to eat properly so i do alot of substituting with protein shakes( too many) but i cant stop the sugar cravings..

robrudes's picture

run spell checker....MYTH, not mith.

american bulldog's picture

I should feel the Tren within the next week or so I would say.

american bulldog's picture

I think I am ready.
I consider myself higher than a med user.
I have been on cyclescsince 1990 which was anadrol by syntex first cycle that I got from the Dr.
$12 for 100 TABS.lol the good ol days.
I am ready for Tren just want to make sure it's a good bulking drug.
I know it's more powerful than mostly everything thing out but it's a dry muscle gain and hard.
I kinda of of like it in between a little wet and and hard just because I like to feel full.

PIN_CUSHION's picture

You've been on cycle since you were 7?

american bulldog's picture

Hey pin I am 44 years old.
Did my first cycle in 1990.
Anadrol syntex and gained 34 lbs off that cycle in 4.5 weeks!
Dr was like holy shit it worked good for you.lol

PIN_CUSHION's picture

I was confused cause your profile says 31

american bulldog's picture

Ok I have more than 15 cycles under my belt but this will be my first fun of Tren.
This is what my cycle has.
I am looking to bulk up.
Ten hex 76.5 MG amps x 4 week
Dbol 10mg tabs.x 5 a day
Sust 250 amps x two a week
Deca 200 mg vials for later.
Does Tren put mass on or kinda of cut?
I long does it take the Tren is to kick in?
Does the Tren use l the receptors and block the other gear I am taking?
Will it take away the fullness of the Sust and dbol because I live to feel full all day.
Thanks guys

PIN_CUSHION's picture

You need to make a post of your own asking these questions, but in short you're not ready for Tren. Research

PIN_CUSHION's picture

You're 21. You shouldn't be using AAS let alone Tren. Reconsider for the sake of your health.

(http://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/smoking-your-endo.........)

PIN_CUSHION's picture

Not looking for a confrontation, but you are on an open forum about AAS, people are entitled to their opinions, and you will get some you may not agree with. Glad you gave the link a view, I don't feel I came across as rude or cursing.

pinthepainaway87's picture

Great article. Thank you for this. I'm on tren now and it's helped with understanding it more. I've been at 250mg test, 700mg tren, and 700mg mast per week with no sides other than night sweats. High tren low test is the way to go. It's high estrogen that causes the sides with tren and with high test you're risking high estrogen.

bigbadboy141's picture

I love this article! I too have found my sweet spot, 200 test to 200 mast to 400 tren! It's super human, the results are unreal! This is a great read! Thanx for this.

cccpihc11's picture

Thank you for the article, I am on my first tren bit and was hesitant to get it due to so many bad reviews of how bad it is. I was turned on to a tren blend called trenoxyl @ 10mg oral twice daily and it has me thinking it is the best ever. Great strength gains, muscle gains are very visible in 2 weeks, great libido.

Champion Of The Mind's picture

Who pussy negged this?

UgtaBkdNme's picture

Interesting.

Champion Of The Mind's picture

I've read quite a few articles on tren, and this has really cleared a lot of the murkiness for me. I'm running my first nor-19, deca in a few months. I like to take baby steps and work my way up to more power compounds. I put safety at the top of my list. Yeah I want to look good, but I don't want to kill myself doing it. Thank you for the article, very informative.

Champion Of The Mind's picture

You should really consider running deca first than work up to tren.... tren as your first nor-19 is a no no.

wolverinewannabe's picture

If youre looking for help or advice youll have to get your stats up. The experienced guys are here to help, but theyre reluctant with no stats and no history fleshed out. Also, this really isnt the place for this post. You may want to repost it in cycles.

big daddy42's picture

Great post, I've been doing tren off and on for the last 10 years and never a problem. I get blood work done every 4 to 6 months and has always been excellent. I use tren in my bulking and cutting cycles. Nothing works better if you know how to use it.

wolverinewannabe's picture

Informative post! This is the only ped site Ive found worth spending time on. Ive learned more by reading - a lot! - and received more help here in 4 days than in the last year and a half wasting time talking circles and half truths elsewhere!

musclecar's picture

Great post. As stated test should be base always and I am a firm believer that test is best. There is a place for all steroids and they all have pros and cons but test is pretty much the standard that all others are compared to.

Champion Of The Mind's picture

All steroids are in some way the hormone testosterone or a derivative of that hormone. All steroids suppress natural testosterone production... it's just the variable of too what degree. So AAS such as primobolan doesn't cause a harsh or even a complete shutdown.. depending on the dosage. However the powerful nor-19 Deca Durabolin can cause a complete shut down with a single pinning. Your right ALL steroid cycle need testosterone as a base... Doesn't matter what ester... ester doesn't affect the strength of the hormone only the metabolizing rate. And yes, all steroids are ranked on a anabolic/androgenic ration... testosterone being the base line of measurement.

big b777's picture

Great post and I agree 100% long term is always more important than short...and test should always be the base of any cycle stack

cartman69's picture

I use between 50-100 mg tren ed with test prop at about 20-30 ed...it's like the perfect combo...I even throw in about 100-150 deca per week for any joint issues and my gains even on a keto diet are unreal...recovery is amazing...

Soulplaya66's picture

Thanks for this informative post,hopefully people out there will know there limits of using tren, as for me i always know my limits of tren usage

cartman69's picture

Oh one last thing....for the guys that are havin' trouble sleeping or anxiety issues...hit up your psych and get your hands on some anti-anxiety meds...for those tough days/nights...and seroquel, used at low dosages, will knock trensomnia out like nothin' you've ever seen...I look back at my journey of doing researching regarding AAS over the years, and I never would've thought, initially, all this prep goes into it...but it really does, if you want to have an overall good experience, and still live a quasi-"normal" life...;) don't worry though, you'll still have your weak moments, just make sure they're not when anyone can see...ha

tman5150's picture

I would NOT recommend anti-anxiety meds from personal experience. Benzos are very hard to get off of and fatal in some cases. Just pin your tren in the morning, make sure your test/tren ratios are correct for your personal needs, and don't underestimate some melatonin/5-htp/ or OTC zzz quil, simply sleep. Valarian root and other natural supplements will be fine for anxiety. I'm on benzos and it's hell having to be dependent on them. Sex drive is low even on test and tren, you become numb to life, and without it you can't leave the house without having a racing heart and panic attacks for no reason. If you have to take any prescription med for sides on tren, then stick to eq, primo, or some DHT's to stack with your test, IF ANYTHING.

Gsxr1000spanker's picture

Spot on. Couldn't have put it better myself

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cartman69's picture

I highly doubt anything OTC will touch any anabolic sides like anxiety or insomnia and seroquel is far from a benzo but benzos are great too, when used responsibly of course...heck even an ambien is fine...but the key is moderation...regardless, I don't think of the pharms in this "category," are any worse or better than anything else...and, personally, I'm much more of a wrecking ball without sleep than with it...;)

cartman69's picture

I happen to love tren and honestly, I'm now a huge believer in the low test, high tren formula....I seem to have little to no side effects and my overall well being as well as my strength and recovery in the gym is like nothing I've ever seen. I agree with what was said about tren and test "fighting" for the same receptors so why not just give in to the science and let tren do all the work...Also, just my own advice from experiences, drink plenty of water as usual, keep your diet in check, but honestly, at times it doesn't seem to matter; then again, it depends on what you're going after, and pin regularly...I'm not a big believer in the EOD pinning when it comes to short esters, and I personally believe, you keep your blood levels the most stable when pinning everyday, and in all reality, it's really not all that bad; you get used to it quickly...and it's worth it as far as side effects and the overall performance of the gear goes...Forgot to add...start slow...and work your way up...don't just start poppin' 150 mg tren ace ed and 100 mg test prop everyday...test flu can be a bitch, and you can throw your body out of whack quick...IMHO, slow and steady wins the race...ALWAYS....