+ 66 TRENBOLONE: how to destroy a myth
We have had a lot of discussion about tren recently. Most of the posts published were rude and impolite. Thread degenerated into caos and insults so most of the posts were deleted. I agree with that.
Now I want to talk about Tren only Tren and nothing else.
First of all Tren was never approved for human use. In the late nineties tren was manifacturaed by a France company named Negma, its production was disontinued untill 1997's when it definetively ceased. Its commercial name was Parabolan. A mith was born. Remember that original Parabolan contained Trenbolone Hexahydrobenzylcarbonate the only chemical version ever approved for human use. As tren was almost never used for human use, if not for a short period of time,there is no medical research about it.
Tren is a steroid used by veterinarians on livestock to increase muscle growth and appetite. One feature of trenbolone that must be noted is its ability to improve feed efficiency and mineral absorption in animals given the drug. To help you understand what this means for you, feed efficiency is a measurement of how much of an animals diet is converted into meat, and the more food it takes to produce this meat, the lower the efficiency. Conversely, the less food it takes to produce meat the, higher the efficiency well you get the idea. Animals given trenbolone gained high quality weight without having their diet adjusted, thus improving feed efficiency. What does this translate to for the hard training athlete? The food you eat will be better utilized for building lean muscle, and vitamins and minerals are also better absorbed which may keep you healthier during cycle.
Why is Tren so powerful ??? Before answering this question we have to shed an eye on hormonal system and testosterone in particular.
Testosterone is a steroid hormone from the androgen group and is found in mammals, reptiles,birds,and other vertebrates. In mammals, testosterone is primarily secreted in the testes of males and the ovaries of females, although small amounts are also secreted by the adrenal glands. It is the principal male sex hormone and an anabolic steroid.
Particular properties of testosterone that are of note include that it converts enzymatically both to DHT and to estradiol (the most important of the estrogens). Since mother nature knows very well how to maintain balance part of the testosterone produced is converted in two different hormones to balance the whole system.
Of the "free" testosterone that interacts at the tissue level, much of it is converted within the cells to DHT - a more potent androgen - by the enzyme 5-alpha reductase. In the prostate, for example, this conversion is thought to be necessary for physiologic effects.
The conversion of testosterone into estrogens (estriol, estrone and estradiol) is governed by the aromatase enzyme complex and occurs mainly in the liver, brain and fat tissue.
To sum it up: As an example if you produce 100 mg of testosterone 5-10% is converted in DHT and 30-40% is converted in estrogen. Is it clear? If you have produced 100mg of testsosterone you will end up having 50mg of testosterone along with 10mg of DHT and 40mg of estrogen. As far as Tren is concerned this convertion do not occur.
Trenbolones chemical structure makes it resistant to the aromatize enzyme (conversion to estrogen) thus absolutely no percentage of trenbolone will convert to estrogen.
Trenbolone administration would not promote estrogenic side effects such as breast tissue growth in men (gynecomastia, bitch tits) accelerated fat gain, decline in fat break down and water retention trenbolone.
Trenbolone is also resistant to the 5- alpha-reductase enzyme.
What does it mean? That if you take 100 mg of trenbolone you will not have any conversation neither in DHT nor in estrogen.
That's way Tren milligram per milligram is more powerful than testosterone. 100mg of trenbolone holds 100mg of the same substance while 100mg of testosterone becomes 50mg of testosterone, 40mg of estrogen and 10mg of DHT. That it why tren is 5 times more powerful than testosterone.
Trenbolone is also a noted progestin: it binds to the receptor of the female sex hormone progesterone (with about 60% of the actual strength progesterone).
If tren is 5 times more powerful than testosterone why should I take the same dosage of testosterone? On the contrary I should take 5 times less tren's dosage than testosterone.
Most of the people report that Trenbolobne has very bad side effect. But if you look at it carefully are simply the same side effects that can be experienced by a testosterone abuse. Here is the link where i found testosterone side effects http://www.drugs.com/sfx/testosterone-side-effects.html
Testosterone side effects include: Severe allergic reactions (rash; hives; itching; difficulty breathing; tightness in the chest; swelling of the mouth, face, lips, or tongue); breast growth or pain; dark urine or light-colored bowel movements; depression or mood changes; dizziness; gingivitis; interrupted breathing while sleeping; loss of appetite; nausea; painful or prolonged erection; stomach pain; swelling of the ankles or legs; urination problems; weight gain; yellowing of the skin or eyes.
As you can see these are the same side effects reported by tren users.
Tren is a mith, an urban legend nothing more nothing less. Its use is safe untill you do not exceed the fair dosage and do not abuse of it. Most of the idiots out there runned dosage that were extremely dangerous because as I explained tren is 5 times more powerful than testosterone. So you will experience a lot of bad effects unless you run it in low dosage. That's all.
I don't want to persuade you to run Tren neither as you stop reading this thread nor to run it indiscriminately for the next cycle. I just want you to know that Tren is safe only if you know it and you comprehend that it is very very powerful as we have mentioned above.
In nature all the chemical substance could be safe or could be dangerous.
It depends by the quantity you use. Did you know that also water could be toxic?.
It is called water poisoning: "Water intoxication, also known as hyper-hydration, water poisoning, overhydration or hyponatremia, is a potentially fatal disturbance in brain functions that results when the normal balance of electrolytes in the body is pushed outside of safe limits by over-consumption of water."
Tren once more is a mith a stupid urban legend born because stupid guys used it without awareness, cogniction, knowledge, wisdom but only ignorance, stupidity and lack of though. The world of steroids is full of ignorance and stupidity and many people try to pursue the path of least resistent abusing and taking massive dose of chemical substance that could be very dangerous for your health.
My aim here is to let you know that:
1)steroids are drugs.
2)drugs can be dangerous to your health.
3)all chemical substances could be safe or dangerous. It is dose related.
4)Knowing that Tren is 5 times more powerful than testosterone you have to keep tren/testosterone ratio in 1/5 as mentioned above. It means if you run 250mg/week of testosterone you will need only 50mg of Tren to keep the fair ratio 1/5:250mg/5=50mg.
5)super-machomen doses or mega dose are unnecessary and stupid and they can be very harmful.
6)if you know the chemistry behind a substance you can use it safely.
7)information is all, without information you are cut off.
Remember that ignorance and stupidity are free and cheap.
Conclusion: the real master isn't who denies you to make your experiences but who makes you do your experiences safely...
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tren is 5 times stronger than test.
Testosterone is the bar for measuring steroid strength so it gets a rating of 100.
well tren is 500
I've been on tren ace for 2 weeks now and I am loving it!!!
75mg daily
Just ordered more in fact.
I do feel more aggressive but that really is up to the individual to control his own emotions and not to blame it on anything else.
im trying to read and understand more about Tren for the future. 1:5 ratio?? so if you use Tren Ace 100 eod, that means you need 1500 Test mg"s. That Cant be right?
its true. its a 5 to 1 ratio. 100mg of tren would equal 500 mg of test.
No that's incorrect bro. It is five times as strong as test. So doing 300mg Tren is equivalent to doing 1500mg test. When it comes to what ratios to run them together, there is a lot of debate. General consensus seems to be that when tren: test is 2:1 you may experience less sides. Or at least run tren higher than your test. But your doses are also going to depend on what your goals are.
shirlsguyx2 and well worded. I find that anything above 750mg weekly tren goes nicely with TRT test. They say low tren with high test.... but who can do 'low' tren?
has anyone tried oral tren from napsgear
does it work and was it real
thanks
shirlsguyNeed to take this to his source page.... best place to get answers anyhow. Trying to save you getting a mod on your ass, bro. http://www.eroids.com/discussions/source/napsgear.net
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It might be already mentioned but one thing that can help with the tren sides (sweating, sleep issues) is to make sure your test dose is LOWER than the tren dose. If you are doing 400mg of Tren E, then make sure the test is only 250mg at the most. I read this on another board and thought it was complete bullshit until I tried it. I ran 600mg tren weekly with 350mg of test. In the past it was usually mg/mg being equal. This was so much better this go around.
shirlsguyYes, absolutely correct... High Tren and Low Test. Now, one may want to renegotiate a plan with Low Tren, but you're right... just enough test to keep the body functioning normal as the first tren injection shuts the testes down.
It reads if you run 250 test all you need is 50 tren
1/5
NewKiddask Jose Cancsaco.... Tren put him in the hall of Fame... best tren I've tried is at ..... [email protected].... Just saying....
Really bro?! I doubt tren was in Consecos Bag of tricks considering he was a baseball player and Tren ruins cardio. And read the rules you can't promote a source like that. Troll.
First post I'm guessing?
Lol seriously? Baseball players would run about 10% as far and often as football basketball soccer etc etc.. It may fuckmup your cardio but i doubt it would effect it enough to ruin a good baseball player! Thats ludacris
I don't think it's ludacris at all. ESPECIALLY for basketball, football, or soccer which involve so much running. I don't think tren is one of the common steroids among their arsenal. Test, eq, epo, hgh, halo, sure. Tren, not so much. I'm not saying it hasn't happened, I'm just saying it's probably rare.
Well thats my point.. It would have a negative effect on a basketballer footballer and soccer player due to having to run almost all game! But for a baseballer it would be an awesome addition to their cycle especially if they were a pitcher or batter! Ps it wouldnt slow a 100m sprinter down at all either! Whats the length of the diamond? A couple hundred feet?
Ahhh I see, I misunderstood your reply. I mean you could be right, I just didn't know if Conseco was confirmed a tren user, or any baseball players for that matter.
Amen brother, thanks for the post
I would advise caution against exorbitant dosages of tren unless you've had prior experience. I've had severe prolactin related issues even while using powerful dopamine agonists/releasing agents (adderall). Start low; this stuff is strong. You don't need to be blasting away >150mg ED to see results, but you're a lot more likely to feel the side effects.
Also of note is that the enanthate ester is notoriously more prone to side-effects like insomnia, mood instability, and acne. Acetate is a pain to be constantly injecting but it's lighter on the body for some reason. I would avoid enanthate if at all possible. the hex ester seems much better in this regard, but it's rather expensive and unnecessary if you can tolerate the ED/EOD injections.
great post! thanks for the info
Stalion_Wextremely good post
Great read but I do have a question. I'm new at this. But can tren aerobic exersise difficult? Should someone who enjoys endurance exercise be aware of tren?
shirlsguyThere is one way to know for sure, and that is first hand. You can read all you want, but ultimately you have to learn first hand, or stay away. Start safe and low.... plenty of people cannot handle it. Start short ester. I'm in a group of about four people who went into tren head first and three have been sick or unhappy. Me, I seem to have been lucky. In the thousands of experiences I have read, most people have cardio problems as they cross that 300mg per week threshold. If you're running smart, you'll start about 50mg eod tren-ace and your dose should not approach the level mentioned. Seems that if it does not agree with you, then it makes itself known pretty quickly. Everyone reacts differently, you just cannot get an answer that fits you.
What I found made cardio difficult for me... that 30-pounds of fat hanging off my worn body. I am getting lean again, and I love it. Ultimately, if you are not sure.... don't do it. Read more, experience more, and live more. It will be around for a long time to come, that is certain. Now, make certain that you are too.
skalpamaybe one of the vets can jump in on this one, seeing as i've never ran it personally. but i have heard many reports that it in fact Does reduce cardiovascular endurance. Now if you are already a seasoned trainer with many cycles under your belt already and has great cardiovascular health, assuming diet and training is already on point then tren might be something worth looking into depending on your goals. Is the marginal benefit outweigh the marginal cost of using something as harsh as tren? But tren won't inhibit you from doing aerobic exercise. You might just not be able to do aerobic exercise at the intensity or length of time you would be able to without tren.
AnonI was an endurance athlete for about 15 years. I would run about 10 miles 3x a week and run a marathon every few months.
Tren bought me to the point where I would look up a single flight of stairs and decide to take the elevator.
Tren is no joke, it destroyed my cardio endurance, raised my heart rate from mid to high 30's to 80's
Even post cycle my heart rate has never gone back down. I have decent cardio still but nothing like my pre tren days
Everyone responds differently though, I have a buddy who wasn't even slowed down by tren one bit. His cardio actually got better but he's a freak of another kind.
"Tren brought me to the point where I would look up a single flight of stairs and decide to take the elevator"
This about sums it up.... Tren not only can effect cardio but just breathing in general. Thats honestly the worst side I get from Tren. I have always ran hot, So sweating especially at night and the gym come natural. Well I guess the increased Aggression Use to be the worst side for me. Im running ace now. .75 everyday and my mood is actually a shit ton better. The Aggresion is there, But as I am a lot older than the last time I ran Tren its not a problem. Self control is a wonderful thing. Its Like a Wolverine I only release in the gym.... Oh and on poor old women, Helpless children and Awesome dudes with no gym
etiquette.
im currently running tren and my cardio has suffered big time.
AnonIt's terrible, isn't it? But so damn worth it!
oh defo!
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skalpareally, again with this shit? ..can we get a mod to ban this guy
1jakd_hipyScammer!!!!^^^^^
Tren is great in conjunction with Testosterone at a lower amount. You want to keep the Tren levels stable by injecting daily. 50-100mg ED will give you a nice, lean look but 200-300mg ED is where you will get that freakish look.
I pin 125 Ed and thats alot for me..Cant imagine 300 let alone 150
eryximachusNone of us knows the chemistry really, unless you're crushing up Fina pellets.
A lot of this stuff is bunk, and a lot of it is poison. Articles like this give you a false sense of security that you know what you are injecting in your body. You don't, really. And chances are if it's tren, you REALLY don't know.
AnonThis has got to be the biggest load of cow shit I've heard yet.
I know the chemistry, really. I don't crush up fina pellets, that's like drinking smirnoff vodka when you can get your hands on belvedere (being a non drinker I had to google vodka).
bbondsFor sure how can he say no one really knows the chemistry, lmfao.
So what do you reccomend us to do, quit using AAS because of ur bad experience? Get over it and move on dude, u had an infection for whatever reason & you are dealing with drugs that can be dangerous and u know that. Do yourself a favor and just quit using drugs and let us keep injecting this "poison" ok. You can remove yourself from this board, because after all Eroids is all about "poison" and thats exsactly what u trying to stay away from, so just go dude. I already saw ur post and hell sorry that u got an infection hope you get well but holly shit just leave this place nobody is gonna force you to stay and heard all that crying. Have a good night, stay drama free and get well soon.
NewKiddinject filtered cow pellets, and what is it it that you expect again.... Im new here, thought that would go in the thread.....
NewKiddinject filtered cow pellets, and what is it it that you expect again....
Sounds like you got the real stuff Finaplix pallets if im not mistaken. Whatbu expect from them? My answer is amazing gains. Tren Ace will give u lean mass that is easy to mantain afterwards. If you are new and young(to judge by ur nickname) i would strongly suggest you to gain as much mass as possible natural since ur hormones are like a fucking volcano exploding. As log as u put the right ammount of cals and protein into ur diet i am sure ucan get to 200lbs before u know it. Read the forums and dont just go with Tren, this drug can fuck with ur mind and body bad if u dont knownhow to control it. I used it before and probably never will again. Too many sides for me. The bad outweight the good in my case.
Love it man, been hearing a ton of misinformation about Tren and this helps a bunch, thanks
angusI've seen this on other boards. It's pretty popular. But it is always informative.
I appreciate the exhaustive thread about tren, thank you
Buildbigger86THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!! This is exactly what everyone needed facts and examples about Tren... Amazing and informative post. For sure jumping on Tren train in the spring boyyyy!!!
Tren is BEASTLY! I personally LOVE it, but my training partner doesn't. His problem is he thinks MORE = BETTER. He's got all the sides you could ask for. LOL
I personally run TRT dose of Test 100MG/WK + 300MG/WK of Tren E--split into 2x injections. Sides are next to nil and I'm prone to Gyno/Lactation. Got Prami @ .25mg/Daily and feeling GREAT. I also deal with Temperament problems due to a head injury I got years ago. I still have to do daily meditation and relaxation exercises, but I'm GTG. First time I ever ran Tren I listened to all the "more is better" guys. I couldn't control my temper. I felt sooooo bad flipping out over stupid shit I cut that cycle short.
Overall, it's my fav. I'll probably never run anything else but Test/Tren.
Thank you for that post bro, Im one of those guys that never tried Tren and to be honest am afraid of it because of alot of the "myth".
Im still not sure Im ready for Tren yet but if I do, I will take this advice and start out very very SMALL dose.
Through trial and error dosing concerning tren e and now tren Hex-my favorite now by the way, I, Personally am running test e at 250 a week, and tren hex or e at 100 a week. This for me keeps all the sides at a manageable minimum and lets me gain at a comfortable steady rate. Remember to keep letro and caber on hand Before you make this leap. I am 6'4" and 240 lbs, body fat at 8%. I eat a really lean diet, total of 2500 calories daily. I also drink 1 and a half gallons of water a day to help keep urine lighter-you tren guys know what i am talking about here! The thing is that I had to adjust dosages of both until I got the best of both worlds-gaining steady with low sides. Its all about what You and Your body can handle safely. Peace..
So you run only 100mg of Tren Hex per wk? Like split into a few shots or one shot? I'm real interested in tren hex i am curious why it's your fav