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+ 59 TRENBOLONE: how to destroy a myth

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We have had a lot of discussion about tren recently. Most of the posts published were rude and impolite. Thread degenerated into caos and insults so most of the posts were deleted. I agree with that.
Now I want to talk about Tren only Tren and nothing else.
First of all Tren was never approved for human use. In the late nineties tren was manifacturaed by a France company named Negma, its production was disontinued untill 1997's when it definetively ceased. Its commercial name was Parabolan. A mith was born. Remember that original Parabolan contained Trenbolone Hexahydrobenzylcarbonate the only chemical version ever approved for human use. As tren was almost never used for human use, if not for a short period of time,there is no medical research about it.
Tren is a steroid used by veterinarians on livestock to increase muscle growth and appetite. One feature of trenbolone that must be noted is its ability to improve feed efficiency and mineral absorption in animals given the drug. To help you understand what this means for you, feed efficiency is a measurement of how much of an animals diet is converted into meat, and the more food it takes to produce this meat, the lower the efficiency. Conversely, the less food it takes to produce meat the, higher the efficiency well you get the idea. Animals given trenbolone gained high quality weight without having their diet adjusted, thus improving feed efficiency. What does this translate to for the hard training athlete? The food you eat will be better utilized for building lean muscle, and vitamins and minerals are also better absorbed which may keep you healthier during cycle.

Why is Tren so powerful ??? Before answering this question we have to shed an eye on hormonal system and testosterone in particular.
Testosterone is a steroid hormone from the androgen group and is found in mammals, reptiles,birds,and other vertebrates. In mammals, testosterone is primarily secreted in the testes of males and the ovaries of females, although small amounts are also secreted by the adrenal glands. It is the principal male sex hormone and an anabolic steroid.
Particular properties of testosterone that are of note include that it converts enzymatically both to DHT and to estradiol (the most important of the estrogens). Since mother nature knows very well how to maintain balance part of the testosterone produced is converted in two different hormones to balance the whole system.
Of the "free" testosterone that interacts at the tissue level, much of it is converted within the cells to DHT - a more potent androgen - by the enzyme 5-alpha reductase. In the prostate, for example, this conversion is thought to be necessary for physiologic effects.
The conversion of testosterone into estrogens (estriol, estrone and estradiol) is governed by the aromatase enzyme complex and occurs mainly in the liver, brain and fat tissue.
To sum it up: As an example if you produce 100 mg of testosterone 5-10% is converted in DHT and 30-40% is converted in estrogen. Is it clear? If you have produced 100mg of testsosterone you will end up having 50mg of testosterone along with 10mg of DHT and 40mg of estrogen. As far as Tren is concerned this convertion do not occur.
Trenbolones chemical structure makes it resistant to the aromatize enzyme (conversion to estrogen) thus absolutely no percentage of trenbolone will convert to estrogen.
Trenbolone administration would not promote estrogenic side effects such as breast tissue growth in men (gynecomastia, bitch tits) accelerated fat gain, decline in fat break down and water retention trenbolone.
Trenbolone is also resistant to the 5- alpha-reductase enzyme.
What does it mean? That if you take 100 mg of trenbolone you will not have any conversation neither in DHT nor in estrogen.
That's way Tren milligram per milligram is more powerful than testosterone. 100mg of trenbolone holds 100mg of the same substance while 100mg of testosterone becomes 50mg of testosterone, 40mg of estrogen and 10mg of DHT. That it why tren is 5 times more powerful than testosterone.
Trenbolone is also a noted progestin: it binds to the receptor of the female sex hormone progesterone (with about 60% of the actual strength progesterone).
If tren is 5 times more powerful than testosterone why should I take the same dosage of testosterone? On the contrary I should take 5 times less tren's dosage than testosterone.
Most of the people report that Trenbolobne has very bad side effect. But if you look at it carefully are simply the same side effects that can be experienced by a testosterone abuse. Here is the link where i found testosterone side effects http://www.drugs.com/sfx/testosterone-side-effects.html
Testosterone side effects include: Severe allergic reactions (rash; hives; itching; difficulty breathing; tightness in the chest; swelling of the mouth, face, lips, or tongue); breast growth or pain; dark urine or light-colored bowel movements; depression or mood changes; dizziness; gingivitis; interrupted breathing while sleeping; loss of appetite; nausea; painful or prolonged erection; stomach pain; swelling of the ankles or legs; urination problems; weight gain; yellowing of the skin or eyes.
As you can see these are the same side effects reported by tren users.
Tren is a mith, an urban legend nothing more nothing less. Its use is safe untill you do not exceed the fair dosage and do not abuse of it. Most of the idiots out there runned dosage that were extremely dangerous because as I explained tren is 5 times more powerful than testosterone. So you will experience a lot of bad effects unless you run it in low dosage. That's all.
I don't want to persuade you to run Tren neither as you stop reading this thread nor to run it indiscriminately for the next cycle. I just want you to know that Tren is safe only if you know it and you comprehend that it is very very powerful as we have mentioned above.
In nature all the chemical substance could be safe or could be dangerous.
It depends by the quantity you use. Did you know that also water could be toxic?.
It is called water poisoning: "Water intoxication, also known as hyper-hydration, water poisoning, overhydration or hyponatremia, is a potentially fatal disturbance in brain functions that results when the normal balance of electrolytes in the body is pushed outside of safe limits by over-consumption of water."
Tren once more is a mith a stupid urban legend born because stupid guys used it without awareness, cogniction, knowledge, wisdom but only ignorance, stupidity and lack of though. The world of steroids is full of ignorance and stupidity and many people try to pursue the path of least resistent abusing and taking massive dose of chemical substance that could be very dangerous for your health.
My aim here is to let you know that:
1)steroids are drugs.
2)drugs can be dangerous to your health.
3)all chemical substances could be safe or dangerous. It is dose related.
4)Knowing that Tren is 5 times more powerful than testosterone you have to keep tren/testosterone ratio in 1/5 as mentioned above. It means if you run 250mg/week of testosterone you will need only 50mg of Tren to keep the fair ratio 1/5:250mg/5=50mg.
5)super-machomen doses or mega dose are unnecessary and stupid and they can be very harmful.
6)if you know the chemistry behind a substance you can use it safely.
7)information is all, without information you are cut off.
Remember that ignorance and stupidity are free and cheap.

Conclusion: the real master isn't who denies you to make your experiences but who makes you do your experiences safely...

Pale's picture

10 months later, how did it turn out? You were at 5 weeks which was still in the honeymoon phase of tren. Let's hear how insane you were at week 10 lol

sen's picture

Used to love tren. Used up to 600mg a week at one point but now even 200mg a week absolutely destroys my stomach. Constantly feel sick, zero appetite, acid reflux. Can't see me ever using it again.

Db24k's picture

Well I guess u guys will chew my head off, I have been running Tren 3 days a wk with sust250.....my dosage is .75ml each so weekly that's around 570mg a wk of both test an tren........Now I want to make 1 thing clear this is a 1 time cycle so my body has not been pushed like this for an extended period of time, some guys cruise does higher than this! And alot of guys do much more mgs than this weekly. I have absolute 0 side effects! Zero! Now I suppose I could argue my sleep is a little off but I take an aid for that and I'm fine, I make sure I drink a shit ton of water, I think I may have noticed a little edginess in my mood at first but once it was brought to my attention I have been able to stay conscious of it and haven't had any problems since. I'm doing this cycle to gain not to just waste my time an get minimal results, I've heard alot of horror stories and bad side effects etc...in my opinion these are guys who have been doing massive doses for years and years, I mean what do you expect genius? I do not recommend anyone taking anything I say and applying it as a example of what to expect for themselves cause everyone is different, my blood pressure has been fine, my body temp fine, it's been about 2 months and I've put on 20 lbs. I have continued to do cardio 3 times a wk and haven't noticed any adverse effects in my stamina, I am definitely open to any opinions, I have tough skin and welcome constructive criticism. I think my math is on point, I jus did it in my head, and if your curious about how or why I came up with this dose well first I want to let everyone know, I'm not to same, I'm kind of a nut, I'm in recovery and have been sober about 6 months, anyway my buddy who's been juicing for years was doin 1 ml each of sust250 an Tren every other day and was about 2 months in before I started my cycle, he also had no side effects, and I saw his gains so naturally I wanted in, I though I would drop his dosage by 25% since he was alot bigger and had more experience with it. Now I know all you dudes that measure your oatmeal out every morning will tear into me about how stupid and irresponsible I am and I would have to agree, but try to look at things thru my eyes for a minute. I've been a complete lunatic for 20 years shooting meth and heroin in my neck, living life at 140 mph, if I told you what my life has consisted of you wouldn't believe it, so fast forward some time and I've been primarily sober for about 2 yrs now minus a 2 month relapse back in January, I've survived over 20 overdoses, an extremely violent and dangerous lifestyle on the street, I mean just chaos, but I've been blessed! I have changed everything about my life, I mean EVERYTHING, except making a careless decision about how much Tren an test I'm putting in my body, so u get it? This is a guy that has put extremely dangerous stuff in his body for a long time, and I am not glorifying this, this crap ruined my life for any of you youngsters, took Everything from me, a 6 figure income, businesses, condos, motorcycles, I mean everything and most importantly my family, working out has really been one of the biggest influences allowing me to throw my energy into something positive, so I'm still a work in progress, I still make really bad decisions like not being more conscious and careful about my doses, but this is a good example of everyone being different, and letting other people influence your decisions, I mean back when I first started I had guys on here telling me I should be injecting every day and that I was wasting my time doing the amount I'm doing so it's very subjective and everything seems relative depending on where your at in your life. Anyways I'm done, o and I left a thread earlier about hitting a artery or something my last 2 injections, after I pull out I'm talking blood spraying out like u see in the movies! Lol literally shooting out 6 to 7 inches, a stream all over the floor, I mean I'm a veteran when it comes to needles unfortunately as I've told u my history, but Never in 20 years have I ever, ever ,ever seen anything like this, I mean it is really scary at first, and this happen 4 days ago, and when I did my shot today AGAIN! Now I'm guessing maybe I inflamed the area the other day creating a bigger target area for a bloodbath, I mean I cant describe the shock value of a stream of blood shooting full speed out of your ARSE! Lol OMG! I aspirate every time, but that only tells you if you are in a vein, I must be hitting something on the way in and when I pull out BAM! I mean if I put that on the ole YouTube It would go viral hahaha! It looks that crazy, I may be on to something huh? Anyways guys do u know what's goin on here cause now its causing me anxiety every time I hit myself in buns, I'm thinkin I should switch cheeks and give the other ole girl some attention? Or maybe just start goin in the thigh, It just sucks when ur kind of comfortable goin in one place, I mean the second time it happen I went maybe an inch away from the last nick, but it still happen, what's the odds? I welcome any advice or suggestions or some good ole fashion hate, whatever I'm a big boy I can take it, thanks guys, ur the best!

mrdfreshness's picture

I'm not gonna say you're crazy for doing anything but using crazy drug addiction to justify ungodly dosages of tren could never be a good thing to tell guys who are reading your post and thinking about doing tren. I think the science is what matters bro. I hope you stay clean and keep your shit together man but maybe less is more with the tren. Especially considering your post abuse of your body. And as far as that issue with hitting an artery. Wow. Stay away from that area for a while. It takes some time to heal busted arterys. You could end up with blood clots from repeated punctures because of the amount of time it takes to heal an artery internally you're more likely to create a clot that can turn into an embolism which can ultimately dislodge and kill you. Do some research on alternate IM sites.

Jonny_Thunder_76's picture

Personally I have had some excellent results with Tren. 100 mg a week of Tren a along with 300 mg a week of test p was perfect for me. I only ran the Tren for 4 weeks, weeks 3-6 of my cycle, then the final 2 weeks at just 300 mg test p. 4 weeks is all I can handle of tren and for me, trying to run any longer than that creates more problems than the benefit of the compound is worth.
Just like any drug or medicine, EVERYONE REACTS DIFFERENTLY! One person's experience with a particular compound will not mimic the experience of another person's. Being careful by keeping dosages to a minimum and listening to my body has become my methodology.
And just like the creator of this thread mentioned, steroids are powerful drugs and are not to be taken lightly. I hope everyone errs on the side of caution when starting a new compound. My body and my mind will quickly tell me if things are going south.

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bigbucksnowammies's picture

I cant even use tren anymore my anxiety is so bad now because of it. Ive done about 6 full tren ace cycles and 2 failed ones. I failed because the anxiety and what i think is borderline psychosis. Tren is not for everyone, especially those with underlying mental disorders. And for one, when i run 500mg test e twice a week, my strength and sex drive is way better than taking 125mg tren EOD. My dick does not like tren. maybe for the first week thats it. IMO tren is not worth the side effects. You can get the same results from other steroids with less than half the side effects of tren. I wish my body liked it.

BJ's picture

Nice new video upload on TREN:
Posted 6 days ago

https://youtu.be/pBi3LncK1zg

Phlipper's picture

Well .... started my second Tren/Test cycle last month (Enanthate this time) and was only doing 200 Test E/100 Tren E 2x per week. Felt it kicking in week two and was putting on a pound every day and shedding BF. 24 hr boners. Reminded me of last Summer. But this time it made me psychotic by week three. Got in two fights in one week and now can't train due to three broken metacarpals, two broken ribs, and a pulled brachialis tendon.

Never again.

Phlipper's picture

Says the guy who just ordered a Tren/Test cycle. LOL.

kingLinc's picture

I loved Tren and what it did for me but the sides were too much to continue. Loss of appetite, cardio was none existent and heartburn. This was a great post. Thanks for the knowledge

BJ's picture

I just found these two scientific papers about Tren & brain damage! Scary stuff

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/25461682/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4458166/

Achak's picture

Lack of deep sleep causes amyloid-beta-42 to buildup in the brain. Beta amyloid protein buildup is linked to Alzheimer's and neurodegeneration. Tren negatively impacts the body's ability to reach deep sleep. No one has discussed administering HGH and other products that induce deep sleep to counter the negative effect of trenbolone. i believe one can safely use trenbolone with the proper precautions.

hulk420's picture

I am on a cycle right now with a low dose of tren e 200mg a weeks and 500 test with 2.4 ui of hgh. I have never slept better in my life ever. First time I did tren a at 75mg eod and felt like shit couldn’t sleep ect. This time round I feel great on it I think the tren e giving me more stable blood levels help too also it’s a pretty low dose. The hgh makes me tired throughout the day though that’s probably the only negative side I have ahead this cycle so far and I did experience some anxiety on a couple occasions around bedtime but nothing crazy.

Achak's picture

I rarely experienced insomnia on trenbolone. Occasionally I would have nights were I had difficulty sleeping. I've never monitored my sleep so I don't know how much Deep Sleep I achieved on Trenbolone. I take GHRP or HGH before bed. I take an OTC natural sleep aid when I remember. I do want to experiment with peptide FGL for neurological regeneration. Watching a loved one go through Alzheimer's scared the crap out of me.

hulk420's picture

Well all I know is before starting hgh I would toss and turn all night and I would almost never have dreams at least not ones I could remember. I been on for about 5 or 6 weeks now and I been sleeping like a rock and occasionally having these vivid dreams like I used to have when I was younger. Only bad thing is I have also been kinda tired through every day especially the first few weeks but it seems to be getting better the longer I am on. I’m not as tired I’m the day as I was a few weeks ago. I think a lot of people just dose the tren too high as well. Seems like most people are taking like 3-400mg a week. I decided to keep it low at 200 and it’s working great with no negative sides except the sweating but that’s also why it helps burn fat the way it does I guess. If you get moe info on that peptide for the brain make a post it sounds promising.

Achak's picture

The OTC sleep aid I take and that has given me vivid dreams. I can't take it regularly because it was disturbing the sleep of my significant other. I was talking in my sleep lol.

hulk420's picture

Must have been some good dreams lol! My wife sleeps like a friggin log half the time I get up in the morning to do my run and she don’t even know I left the bed lol.

Achak's picture

The worse part is I think I was having wet dreams. She was all pissy in the morning. She was acting like I was cheating on her because of my dreams. Women are freakin nuts. I can't even deal lol

Greg's picture

I can see her point of view if you were calling out her best friends name during the night. In her mind it could indicate an unconscious desire to have sex with her friend.

Just reassure her that you're fully conscious of all your desires.

Achak's picture

Lol, she is a fire cracker Latina. I have to worry about her shooting me in a fit of rage. Definitely not fueling that fire.

Achak's picture

I did some further research on the subject matter of Alzheimer's disease and lack of deep sleep. I stumbled upon some amazing information about a peptide that I've never heard of called Peptide FGL. In clinical studies it reduced amyloid plaques and signs neuropathology and cognitive impairment. It improved memory functions. Reduced neuroinflammation and age related structural changes in synapses. I think this is the ticket to reverse and prevent the harmful effects of trenbolone. Looks like a dosage of 333mcg daily subq indefinitely will suffice.

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Phlipper's picture

I read a few places before I tried it last Summer about physiological and (sometimes permanent) cognitive changes from Tren, and bounced some of the info off a colleague (an Endo Doc). And so I was well aware of the risks, and experienced a couple of the side effects last year. It probably made me a little quick-triggered then, too. But the reward was so massive that I was looking forward to running a second cycle recently. And the results were even more impressive than the first time. But I got mega mind-fuck this time from it. A couple of weeks after stopping I realized how truly psychotic it made me, this time. I'm generally a very laid back guy ... very chill. Three weeks into this cycle I was a raging psychopath and had to cut it out.

It's a shame. Because the results of a Tren/Test cycle, are, for me, nothing short of miraculous. And cruising on TRT Test C afterward I kept at least 70% of what I gained as long as my diet was good and I was still lifting my ass off.

I need a Tren with no side effects and no long term organ and brain damage. I'd stay on it year-round. LOL. It is simply the most amazing drug of any kind I have ever tried.

BJ's picture

Do some research into 1-Test cyp(DHB) Similar to effects of Tren minus sides! Ratio of 200 instead of Tren 500. Reg Test is 100

Phlipper's picture

Just spent about an hour reading up and have located a domestic source. When life gets back to normal (my gym opens back up) and I can blast I will definitely try a run.

Thanks for the info!

realchico's picture

Yup it is overlooked I hate HIGH ester shit same thing happened with SUPERTEST 400-500. I have a bottle of Test enanthate Forte 500 mg per ml and I am gonna try it at like 0.5 ml to see maybe even 0.25 ml just in case

TheFlash85's picture

And infertile.

Phlipper's picture

ROFLMAO! I thought Winstrol was bad for PIP ... the last run of NPP was even worse. I get sick of it, but it's part of the deal.

What kind of cycles do you guys run with 1-Test Cyp? I'm assuming it is run by itself or as a base, just like plain ol' Test C? Dosages? How often pinned? Etc?

One cycle I read was 1-Test at 200 x twice per week with 500 Test E once a week. But I dunno if that's over-kill or what? Seems like a pretty stout cycle. Another was running DHB at twice the Test C amount and claimed this was how it should be run.

A big issue for me is that I read it is liver toxic even in injectable form. Got a lot more reading to do, I think.

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Locd_trenst's picture

Great post! Wonder how different esters effect this equation

alamo298's picture

Very informative! I will use this advice going forward...

ZachtheMonster's picture

Great info

SGracE19's picture

i absolutely love tren ace, ive been running 100mg tren A with 100mg test P each mon/weds/fri (300mg each a week) and i'm strong as ever and feels like whatever i eat i still get more lean. tren is definitely the big gun.

Phlipper's picture

Never seen anything like Tren Ace in my life. Test/Tren cycle was an amazing experience. Ran low dose but saw crazy results with few real sides. Maybe a little easier irritated. Body temp actually raised almost a degree while on. Indigestion. But the recomp effects were astounding. Truly a game-changing drug if not overdone, imho.

thatotherguy's picture

I love Tren, it's the shit. Always great for cycle.

TacJac's picture

Tren is my all time favorite. I scared myself out of running it for years due to reading forums but after I decided to get some Ace to try it out, I never looked back. My wife hates it, but, she knows to either undress or leave the house. My sides have never been bad. However, my more “testy” friends I suggest to stay away from it. Tren is the one to research a bit more thoroughly before getting yourself into. This is a serious lifestyle and this is one of the most serious compounds inside the lifestyle. Stay informed gents

Ryan1007's picture

I am still in the camp that believes the sides from tren are primarily the result of the compound excaserbating issues that already existed with the user. I've used it many times (at what I feel are reasonable doses...never over 400mgs/wk but usually around 200). Strength gains have always been great and I've never experienced any out of character sides while on it. Everyone is different so maybe I'm just lucky but I've got a buddy that runs it all the time and nothing crazy with him either.

Locd_trenst's picture

I agree. I had a buddy running half the dosage I was and he had many issues and had to discontinue use

Slowly's picture

Very detailed thread in every detail.
I never ran Tren but one of my best friends had a bad experience. It is true he has an impressive physique but currently his wife has kicked him out of the house.
He has separated and must give over 40,000 euros of damage caused between cars and houses.
There is a big battle going on in court, child support and more.
He was probably abusing a massive dose.
Rule number one not to be underestimated for the reasons you listed.

DrewWho's picture

I was very careful the first time I ran Tren after doing tons of research. I only did about 150mg weekly and the vascularity and constant pump was insane. Because my low dosage I had little to no sides whatsoever, maybe my mood a little bit fuck who knows. Either way it’s one of my favorite compounds bar none.

tonymontanaa's picture

Thankx for good compiled info and warnings,
Even I am new for community I believe everyone should follow the warnings you mentioned.
I am starting my journey by keeping those warnings in mind.

Optimusprimal's picture

I wrote a more detailed post in my cycle log but ever since i started ED shots of tren and mast and cut test prop (im closing in on my show day in a couple weeks) i feel amazing, euphoric and have that "alpha" feeling (not arrogant or superior) but in a good and pleasant way, like nothing can phaze me. I am not sure what the culprit is but i think it might be a combo of both tren not antagonizing test and ED shots that give more stable bloods.

Titank's picture

Ahaha, don't mind me, just asked a stupid question and deleted it.