+ 66 TRENBOLONE: how to destroy a myth
We have had a lot of discussion about tren recently. Most of the posts published were rude and impolite. Thread degenerated into caos and insults so most of the posts were deleted. I agree with that.
Now I want to talk about Tren only Tren and nothing else.
First of all Tren was never approved for human use. In the late nineties tren was manifacturaed by a France company named Negma, its production was disontinued untill 1997's when it definetively ceased. Its commercial name was Parabolan. A mith was born. Remember that original Parabolan contained Trenbolone Hexahydrobenzylcarbonate the only chemical version ever approved for human use. As tren was almost never used for human use, if not for a short period of time,there is no medical research about it.
Tren is a steroid used by veterinarians on livestock to increase muscle growth and appetite. One feature of trenbolone that must be noted is its ability to improve feed efficiency and mineral absorption in animals given the drug. To help you understand what this means for you, feed efficiency is a measurement of how much of an animals diet is converted into meat, and the more food it takes to produce this meat, the lower the efficiency. Conversely, the less food it takes to produce meat the, higher the efficiency well you get the idea. Animals given trenbolone gained high quality weight without having their diet adjusted, thus improving feed efficiency. What does this translate to for the hard training athlete? The food you eat will be better utilized for building lean muscle, and vitamins and minerals are also better absorbed which may keep you healthier during cycle.
Why is Tren so powerful ??? Before answering this question we have to shed an eye on hormonal system and testosterone in particular.
Testosterone is a steroid hormone from the androgen group and is found in mammals, reptiles,birds,and other vertebrates. In mammals, testosterone is primarily secreted in the testes of males and the ovaries of females, although small amounts are also secreted by the adrenal glands. It is the principal male sex hormone and an anabolic steroid.
Particular properties of testosterone that are of note include that it converts enzymatically both to DHT and to estradiol (the most important of the estrogens). Since mother nature knows very well how to maintain balance part of the testosterone produced is converted in two different hormones to balance the whole system.
Of the "free" testosterone that interacts at the tissue level, much of it is converted within the cells to DHT - a more potent androgen - by the enzyme 5-alpha reductase. In the prostate, for example, this conversion is thought to be necessary for physiologic effects.
The conversion of testosterone into estrogens (estriol, estrone and estradiol) is governed by the aromatase enzyme complex and occurs mainly in the liver, brain and fat tissue.
To sum it up: As an example if you produce 100 mg of testosterone 5-10% is converted in DHT and 30-40% is converted in estrogen. Is it clear? If you have produced 100mg of testsosterone you will end up having 50mg of testosterone along with 10mg of DHT and 40mg of estrogen. As far as Tren is concerned this convertion do not occur.
Trenbolones chemical structure makes it resistant to the aromatize enzyme (conversion to estrogen) thus absolutely no percentage of trenbolone will convert to estrogen.
Trenbolone administration would not promote estrogenic side effects such as breast tissue growth in men (gynecomastia, bitch tits) accelerated fat gain, decline in fat break down and water retention trenbolone.
Trenbolone is also resistant to the 5- alpha-reductase enzyme.
What does it mean? That if you take 100 mg of trenbolone you will not have any conversation neither in DHT nor in estrogen.
That's way Tren milligram per milligram is more powerful than testosterone. 100mg of trenbolone holds 100mg of the same substance while 100mg of testosterone becomes 50mg of testosterone, 40mg of estrogen and 10mg of DHT. That it why tren is 5 times more powerful than testosterone.
Trenbolone is also a noted progestin: it binds to the receptor of the female sex hormone progesterone (with about 60% of the actual strength progesterone).
If tren is 5 times more powerful than testosterone why should I take the same dosage of testosterone? On the contrary I should take 5 times less tren's dosage than testosterone.
Most of the people report that Trenbolobne has very bad side effect. But if you look at it carefully are simply the same side effects that can be experienced by a testosterone abuse. Here is the link where i found testosterone side effects http://www.drugs.com/sfx/testosterone-side-effects.html
Testosterone side effects include: Severe allergic reactions (rash; hives; itching; difficulty breathing; tightness in the chest; swelling of the mouth, face, lips, or tongue); breast growth or pain; dark urine or light-colored bowel movements; depression or mood changes; dizziness; gingivitis; interrupted breathing while sleeping; loss of appetite; nausea; painful or prolonged erection; stomach pain; swelling of the ankles or legs; urination problems; weight gain; yellowing of the skin or eyes.
As you can see these are the same side effects reported by tren users.
Tren is a mith, an urban legend nothing more nothing less. Its use is safe untill you do not exceed the fair dosage and do not abuse of it. Most of the idiots out there runned dosage that were extremely dangerous because as I explained tren is 5 times more powerful than testosterone. So you will experience a lot of bad effects unless you run it in low dosage. That's all.
I don't want to persuade you to run Tren neither as you stop reading this thread nor to run it indiscriminately for the next cycle. I just want you to know that Tren is safe only if you know it and you comprehend that it is very very powerful as we have mentioned above.
In nature all the chemical substance could be safe or could be dangerous.
It depends by the quantity you use. Did you know that also water could be toxic?.
It is called water poisoning: "Water intoxication, also known as hyper-hydration, water poisoning, overhydration or hyponatremia, is a potentially fatal disturbance in brain functions that results when the normal balance of electrolytes in the body is pushed outside of safe limits by over-consumption of water."
Tren once more is a mith a stupid urban legend born because stupid guys used it without awareness, cogniction, knowledge, wisdom but only ignorance, stupidity and lack of though. The world of steroids is full of ignorance and stupidity and many people try to pursue the path of least resistent abusing and taking massive dose of chemical substance that could be very dangerous for your health.
My aim here is to let you know that:
1)steroids are drugs.
2)drugs can be dangerous to your health.
3)all chemical substances could be safe or dangerous. It is dose related.
4)Knowing that Tren is 5 times more powerful than testosterone you have to keep tren/testosterone ratio in 1/5 as mentioned above. It means if you run 250mg/week of testosterone you will need only 50mg of Tren to keep the fair ratio 1/5:250mg/5=50mg.
5)super-machomen doses or mega dose are unnecessary and stupid and they can be very harmful.
6)if you know the chemistry behind a substance you can use it safely.
7)information is all, without information you are cut off.
Remember that ignorance and stupidity are free and cheap.
Conclusion: the real master isn't who denies you to make your experiences but who makes you do your experiences safely...
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I highly doubt anything OTC will touch any anabolic sides like anxiety or insomnia and seroquel is far from a benzo but benzos are great too, when used responsibly of course...heck even an ambien is fine...but the key is moderation...regardless, I don't think of the pharms in this "category," are any worse or better than anything else...and, personally, I'm much more of a wrecking ball without sleep than with it...;)
I happen to love tren and honestly, I'm now a huge believer in the low test, high tren formula....I seem to have little to no side effects and my overall well being as well as my strength and recovery in the gym is like nothing I've ever seen. I agree with what was said about tren and test "fighting" for the same receptors so why not just give in to the science and let tren do all the work...Also, just my own advice from experiences, drink plenty of water as usual, keep your diet in check, but honestly, at times it doesn't seem to matter; then again, it depends on what you're going after, and pin regularly...I'm not a big believer in the EOD pinning when it comes to short esters, and I personally believe, you keep your blood levels the most stable when pinning everyday, and in all reality, it's really not all that bad; you get used to it quickly...and it's worth it as far as side effects and the overall performance of the gear goes...Forgot to add...start slow...and work your way up...don't just start poppin' 150 mg tren ace ed and 100 mg test prop everyday...test flu can be a bitch, and you can throw your body out of whack quick...IMHO, slow and steady wins the race...ALWAYS....
It seems that the closer the dosages are together, the more side effect you'll get.
Liquidzi fully agree
tried 1:1 and it was brutal, couldn't sleep, think or breath
tried higher tren lower test = same sides
flipped ratio and added NPP = GOLD
sleep like a baby, happy, no dickhead moments anymore
here is the cycle ratio
test 2X higher than NPP. Add +280mgs tren A
so, 1Ml prop, .5mL NPP , .4mL tren a 7x a week
liquid gold for me
cabaser 1mg e3d
pes erase (the only consistently NON bunk Ai ill ever use or recommend) 1 cap ed for 7 days then 7 days off
repeat
every huge mofo asks me when im gonna compete(never)
every gym rat is asking wtf im on
Hehe i hope some certain somebodies dont see this but ive been using tren and deca together even after the dozens of NO NOs! From all the experienced guys.. Most could never seem to give me a reason apart from the fact theyre both heavily suppressant and progesterones etc.. I figured fuck it! Im using tren E and apart from the irritability and bacne i havnt really had any serious sides so i lowered the tren and added in deca.. Ive got more colour in my face, i havnt tanned this well in as long as i can remember! Im fkn STARVING all day everyday and the hunger from eq just doesnt compare imo! I did lactate within 2 weeks of starting the deca tho (front loaded at 800mg x 2)
I took 3mg aromasin and 80mg nolva straight up and then 1mg aromasin ed and 20mg nolva ed and it was gone within 3 days.. Its much easier to make gains with both tren and deca than using either one on their own IMO!!
I switched from test and deca to test and tren before and made incredible gains. BUT I'm not prone to lactating. Had to run prami at the end because I got a lump under my right nipple. But it was gone after some nolvadex.
Liquidzit works and for me its working well
thumbs up bro =)
Just pinned 100mg of tren today.. first time and excited to see it work its magic.
I love tren
Tren e was a little rough on me in like the choice of using the short ester in case I need to bail on cycle and short burst cycles
Ed or eod pins kill thought lol
where can you find it?? online i know you can get some of them that do not work or that have toxic elements!!
Bro, no offense, but if thats all you know about trenbolone, do NOT take it. There's hundreds of other more important factors to take into consideration before you decide if the risk to reward ratio is worth it to you. This post was only about killing a few of the myths. But more importantly, there's tons of serious facts to note as well.
Its good to see you reviving a very valuable thread and offering sound information bro!
Alot of the pros and top guys from this forum have all had quite a bit to say on the subject and to be honest i think most 'vets' learnt quite a bit also ;) its worth reading right through the thread if you havnt already done so.. I quite like the debate on tren/test/estro ratios ;)
SGZI love Tren. I've been cycling on and off for 10 years and this is probably my 4th time using it. The sides do kinda suck though. For me its just the occasional insomnia and a decrease in libido. But the gains are great! I do notice a big increase in irritability but since I've been doing this a while, I'm fully aware of when I'm getting angry and I keep it on check. I do feel like a lot of people over exaggerate how dangerous Tren is, just speaking from personal experience, I've never had any crazy issues.
Since I start using tren i feel a lot more hotter when going to sleep and my anger is bad. I ordered a salad with no dressing got home was about to dig in and it had ranch! I lost my mind and threw the salad across my room. Just something I've never done on gear. I've used sus350, test cyp, propinate, EQ, deca. Is that usually a normal side of tren?
I only get like that if I haven't slept and /or if I missed a few meals in the day. If the test is too close to the dosage of the tren, this would also make it worse. Always remind yourself that being a gentleman with self control, even on roids, is paramount. What's the point of looking soo good if nobody likes to be around you. If you can't control your rage, then it's pretty selfish for the others in your life for you to be taking it. You know what I mean brotha? Equipoise is awesome! Test alone is even better.
Seriously? You are on Tren and you are asking if these listed sides are "normal"? Sorry, but you really shouldn't be taking any drug (especially an advanced substance as Tren) if you don't know what it does and what the sides are.
Spend a couple of minutes and use the search function and find an answer to your question.
I know the sides I'm not asking what the side effects are bro. Seriously all I asked if it was normal for excessive aggression. And how will I ever find out if I never try it. I've used gear about 3yeara I think I get into something more advanced. Just my opinion
It's just my opinion that at 23, someone should not be using Tren. That opinion is also shared by most everyone here as well.
I'm not here to bash you. I just think that you should do some serious research into what you're putting into your body and exactly what each and every side is. What you're going through are basic sides of Tren. People on Tren take many steps to help keep those sides in check. That is what you should research. I may not agree with you taking it at your age, but I want you to be as healthy as you can, now that you are on it. Get you're blood pressure check asap. Big cause of rage on tren. Best of luck.
Thanks bro, I really I appreciate that.
increased aggression is definetly big on tren especially if your not keeping your levels steady are you on test e or test a also like stated above watch your blood pressure and i sweat like hell when i sleep because of it but you take the good with the bad like they said research is key also know your body
i dont know if this has been touched on but anyone else experience tren cough and also ive had some problems with my chest feeling tight while on tren and shortness of breath. i talked to a good friend of mine thats a doctor an he prescribed me an inhaler i hit it and its like night and day
kurt78yeah, I just ran the Kalpa Oral for 4 weeks and they are strong. I break out in sweats during the day, forget about night sweats. And I've done Tren Ace cycles a few times with no gyno, but those pills gave me that progestone gyno that even Letro wasn't really touching. I stopped the pills and switched back to the Tren Ace injects every other day and my nipples aren't nearly as sore as before. Just saying the Kapla ones are really strong in my opinion
LaBahiaexcuse my question but what is considered a Heavy Tren A user. I am currently doing 100mg ED and Test P 57mg EOD, Test E 300mg a week, Aromasin 13mg EOD, and Prami 1.2 ml every night. I am on my 3rd week. Am I doing something wrong? I need some Advice.
Thank you
SGZThere is a lot of contradicting opinions on how much test to run while on Tren. I asked Dave Polumbo and he told me to keep my test dosages no lower than 1000 mgs a week while on tren. Maybe you need to bump up the test a little?
Dave Palumbo will give you drug cycles if you wanna be a pro. You heard what he had Boston Lloyd on?
phil113kgFor me personally I would consider your intake on the low to medium side compared to what I run. That's just me. For others it might be high. So you understand what I'm leading to?
LaBahiaI will start reducing my doses, I have actually reduced the dose and I am in day 3 with Tren A 50mg ED, with Test P 30mg ED Mast. P 40mg. and I am felling great, I am actually feeling much better than with the previous doses. what is your opinion? thanks
AnonHey was the Tren u used from that one SRC we liked that disappeared on us recently I FR u PM me need ur opinion on qualtiy
So, to recap, that's 700 mg / Tren A / wk and total Test between 471 mg and 528 mg / wk. Personally, unless you are a hardcore Tren user - u could back the Tren to 400 mg / wk and up the Test to 750 at least. I'm in the Test high circle of belief when it comes to Tren. Just sayin . . .
LaBahiaThank you, I will reduce my Tren dose.
Great post but tren effect you body differently than test. Chemical Make up of the Trenbolone is different and body response differently. Trenbolone is Toxic to Kidneys and liver. I do not want to sound ignorant but that's how Flex Wheeler lost his kidneys and so many others. Tom Prince is another example of a heavy tren user.
NecrotikStop the rumors, diuretic use to combat bad pre-contest dieting was the primary cause.
phil113kgWow I learned something new here!!! Seriously, I had no idea that it is toxic to the liver and kidneys. In all the materials I read nowhere did this ever come up. Now I'm referring to the toxicity of tren. You mentioned Flex and others and said that tren was the cause of their demise but I was under the impression it came from all the heavy use of diuretics and high/low carb intake. Now I'm not knocking what you are saying. If you are correct then I have something to ponder about when I use heavy amounts of tren in my preps.
Man that about sums it up! Great post. It's not very often when there's not big debates or a bunch of well a guy I know said......just strait facts and that helps everyone. Thanks for the post bro....pin on
Man it gets all crazy with all the different comments and suggestions some say higher tren than test , but it clearly reads 1/5 do if you on 250 test all you need is 50 of tren
Johnny the Bulltren is my fav.Good stuff.
This is a great read! I am on the fence big time when it comes to trying tren. I'm no seasoned vet when it comes to steroid cycles but I have done several cycles over the last 3-4 years. Mostly test and a lot of orals throughout. Last cycle was test, npp, superdrol and some other goodies. To be honest test is just ehh to me. Having gone up to 1 gram a week and all it does is make me horny as hell, oily ass skin. Now the recovery is amazing but gains are just blah. Npp didn't impress me either so now I'm looking at tren ;) in fact the only aas that has shown any worth when strengh and mass are concerned was superdrol! And I remember all the crazy sides and warnings that people said about sd and thank God I don't get any sides from sd except getting swole;) so I'm hoping for the same thing from tren. Nothing is better to me than sd, except (hopefully) tren. so what's the consensus on running a cut mix for a first time tren experience? Would be 50 mg eod and maybe 75 mg if all is good. The mix is test p, drost p, tren a 50 mg each.
AnonYou thot NPP was weak i used it for 4weeks at 360mg with 600mg and Dbol 50mg grew 7lbs
And my bicep grew 5/8 inch in those 4weeks.
Most likely that was the Dbol during those 4 weeks. And it's possible my npp was bunk or underdosed. I'm waiting for some more to come in from a different source so I should be able to tell if it was bunk / underdosed or just me.
AnonYea mayb it was underdosed, ingot mine from one of the top SRC.last time i took dbol it wasnt like this time.
I haven't tried it but I will be... Oral tren is the 2nd strongest steroid ever. it has an androgenic and anabolic rating of 6000+ and 12,000+. injection Tren's rating is 500. It was made as an oral so it's 17-alpha alkylated and hard on the liver. This stuff I would probably use only like 2mg a day lol.
i tried OT and its garbage. i stopped after a week i didnt feel shit. but im currently running just a little over a gram of tren-ace a week. 1050 mg /wk to be exact, or 150/mg day. i feel fine. so not sure. dont use it, it sucks.
I like tren, but only in small doses about 25mg a day, it's 5x more powerful so that's like 125mg of test a day. Seeing how the average male only makes about 7mg of test a day, that's powerful. I think the "Tren Dick" is just the body not having enough test to cause an erection, Tren does shut down test production, so obviously I take test with it. I also take sleep aid to help with "trensomnia". Only thing I really have problems with is all the damn sweating and being hot, but it's tolerable.
Tren dick? Lol ive only had and heard of deca dick and thats from doing 800+mg/week . For me tren acetate is the best steroid made. im 39 now but few yrs back i was putting 150mg eod in me and literally overnight even my gf said i grew. Mg for Mg tren im my opinion is one of the best. Now mind you at 150+mg eod i tend to get a little blood or brownish urine so id advise caution at doses this high or more
Johnny the Bull50-100 is safe. 75 is optimum.
Tren makes me horny and bigger just like test. Put the 2 together and I feel like a porn star! I here a lot of people knock Tren saying the sides are bad. I say BS, Ive ran 4 or 5 cycles with tren now and No sides. Had night sweats for the first week I ever tried it but it went away shortly and never came back. That was on 100mg ED Tren A only cycle. I gained 17 pounds in 8 weeks and I couldn't gain before that.
I read that tren and test both fight for the same receptors and as tren is 5x as strong it wins every time so test only get the receptors that are left..therefore it is better to take a low dose close to trt as this also reduces sides (1st thing I thort was tren dick) Is there any truth behind this or was i reading a load of bollox??
I run tren and test at a 2:1 ratio. 600mg tren and 300mg test and the only side I have is sweating. My 1st time I ever ran it I ran them at equal doses and had the worst insomnia ever. As far as libido goes it is sky high on the lower test. Hope this helps bro...
bigtrainI am not following you on the 1 to 5 ratio.