+ 59 TRENBOLONE: how to destroy a myth
We have had a lot of discussion about tren recently. Most of the posts published were rude and impolite. Thread degenerated into caos and insults so most of the posts were deleted. I agree with that.
Now I want to talk about Tren only Tren and nothing else.
First of all Tren was never approved for human use. In the late nineties tren was manifacturaed by a France company named Negma, its production was disontinued untill 1997's when it definetively ceased. Its commercial name was Parabolan. A mith was born. Remember that original Parabolan contained Trenbolone Hexahydrobenzylcarbonate the only chemical version ever approved for human use. As tren was almost never used for human use, if not for a short period of time,there is no medical research about it.
Tren is a steroid used by veterinarians on livestock to increase muscle growth and appetite. One feature of trenbolone that must be noted is its ability to improve feed efficiency and mineral absorption in animals given the drug. To help you understand what this means for you, feed efficiency is a measurement of how much of an animals diet is converted into meat, and the more food it takes to produce this meat, the lower the efficiency. Conversely, the less food it takes to produce meat the, higher the efficiency well you get the idea. Animals given trenbolone gained high quality weight without having their diet adjusted, thus improving feed efficiency. What does this translate to for the hard training athlete? The food you eat will be better utilized for building lean muscle, and vitamins and minerals are also better absorbed which may keep you healthier during cycle.
Why is Tren so powerful ??? Before answering this question we have to shed an eye on hormonal system and testosterone in particular.
Testosterone is a steroid hormone from the androgen group and is found in mammals, reptiles,birds,and other vertebrates. In mammals, testosterone is primarily secreted in the testes of males and the ovaries of females, although small amounts are also secreted by the adrenal glands. It is the principal male sex hormone and an anabolic steroid.
Particular properties of testosterone that are of note include that it converts enzymatically both to DHT and to estradiol (the most important of the estrogens). Since mother nature knows very well how to maintain balance part of the testosterone produced is converted in two different hormones to balance the whole system.
Of the "free" testosterone that interacts at the tissue level, much of it is converted within the cells to DHT - a more potent androgen - by the enzyme 5-alpha reductase. In the prostate, for example, this conversion is thought to be necessary for physiologic effects.
The conversion of testosterone into estrogens (estriol, estrone and estradiol) is governed by the aromatase enzyme complex and occurs mainly in the liver, brain and fat tissue.
To sum it up: As an example if you produce 100 mg of testosterone 5-10% is converted in DHT and 30-40% is converted in estrogen. Is it clear? If you have produced 100mg of testsosterone you will end up having 50mg of testosterone along with 10mg of DHT and 40mg of estrogen. As far as Tren is concerned this convertion do not occur.
Trenbolones chemical structure makes it resistant to the aromatize enzyme (conversion to estrogen) thus absolutely no percentage of trenbolone will convert to estrogen.
Trenbolone administration would not promote estrogenic side effects such as breast tissue growth in men (gynecomastia, bitch tits) accelerated fat gain, decline in fat break down and water retention trenbolone.
Trenbolone is also resistant to the 5- alpha-reductase enzyme.
What does it mean? That if you take 100 mg of trenbolone you will not have any conversation neither in DHT nor in estrogen.
That's way Tren milligram per milligram is more powerful than testosterone. 100mg of trenbolone holds 100mg of the same substance while 100mg of testosterone becomes 50mg of testosterone, 40mg of estrogen and 10mg of DHT. That it why tren is 5 times more powerful than testosterone.
Trenbolone is also a noted progestin: it binds to the receptor of the female sex hormone progesterone (with about 60% of the actual strength progesterone).
If tren is 5 times more powerful than testosterone why should I take the same dosage of testosterone? On the contrary I should take 5 times less tren's dosage than testosterone.
Most of the people report that Trenbolobne has very bad side effect. But if you look at it carefully are simply the same side effects that can be experienced by a testosterone abuse. Here is the link where i found testosterone side effects http://www.drugs.com/sfx/testosterone-side-effects.html
Testosterone side effects include: Severe allergic reactions (rash; hives; itching; difficulty breathing; tightness in the chest; swelling of the mouth, face, lips, or tongue); breast growth or pain; dark urine or light-colored bowel movements; depression or mood changes; dizziness; gingivitis; interrupted breathing while sleeping; loss of appetite; nausea; painful or prolonged erection; stomach pain; swelling of the ankles or legs; urination problems; weight gain; yellowing of the skin or eyes.
As you can see these are the same side effects reported by tren users.
Tren is a mith, an urban legend nothing more nothing less. Its use is safe untill you do not exceed the fair dosage and do not abuse of it. Most of the idiots out there runned dosage that were extremely dangerous because as I explained tren is 5 times more powerful than testosterone. So you will experience a lot of bad effects unless you run it in low dosage. That's all.
I don't want to persuade you to run Tren neither as you stop reading this thread nor to run it indiscriminately for the next cycle. I just want you to know that Tren is safe only if you know it and you comprehend that it is very very powerful as we have mentioned above.
In nature all the chemical substance could be safe or could be dangerous.
It depends by the quantity you use. Did you know that also water could be toxic?.
It is called water poisoning: "Water intoxication, also known as hyper-hydration, water poisoning, overhydration or hyponatremia, is a potentially fatal disturbance in brain functions that results when the normal balance of electrolytes in the body is pushed outside of safe limits by over-consumption of water."
Tren once more is a mith a stupid urban legend born because stupid guys used it without awareness, cogniction, knowledge, wisdom but only ignorance, stupidity and lack of though. The world of steroids is full of ignorance and stupidity and many people try to pursue the path of least resistent abusing and taking massive dose of chemical substance that could be very dangerous for your health.
My aim here is to let you know that:
1)steroids are drugs.
2)drugs can be dangerous to your health.
3)all chemical substances could be safe or dangerous. It is dose related.
4)Knowing that Tren is 5 times more powerful than testosterone you have to keep tren/testosterone ratio in 1/5 as mentioned above. It means if you run 250mg/week of testosterone you will need only 50mg of Tren to keep the fair ratio 1/5:250mg/5=50mg.
5)super-machomen doses or mega dose are unnecessary and stupid and they can be very harmful.
6)if you know the chemistry behind a substance you can use it safely.
7)information is all, without information you are cut off.
Remember that ignorance and stupidity are free and cheap.
Conclusion: the real master isn't who denies you to make your experiences but who makes you do your experiences safely...
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So why did you stop brewing then?
Decent article, kind of hard to follow the grammar/spelling at some spots... ANYWAY, in my opinion, tren is god. There is nothing else like it.
I'm currently running(5th cycle) Tren E/Test E blend, and I've kickstarted my enanthates with some homebrew tren-ace(fina). The finaplix tren-ace is by far the best I have ever had.(period)
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phil113kgX2
I've been running tren for over 5 years and I am still afraid of it. Well, not afraid, respectful. I recently attempted to dose 160mg eod which was the potency per ml of a batch I made. I have run 100mg ed without issue but 160mg in one shot eod is giving me incapacitating headaches. Something about that much at one time I guess. My blood pressure is normal. My body is telling me NOOOO! Tren is no joke kids! It's made for CATTLE! Not human consumption. When and if you have enough experience to try it out, have some respect for the queen!
Ive ran it at just under 200mg/d, 30 days of that and was ready to come off cycle!
I think i've got enough tren cycles under my belt to consider myself an expert. But I have never had this kind of trouble. Yes, my strength gains alone are enough to make me wanna push through it another week and see what happens but I can't risk it. My bp was actually on the low side, and i was hydrated. The headaches are too much! I'm gonna cut the dose in half for a while and go to ed. Hopefully it helps. No JOKE KIDS!
Hey, I'm a beginner with the tren. Should I go for tren a or the tren e? And what do u think of stacking it? Some say stack it with test and masteron.......
good read
Guys this post has been super helpful!! I have been doin some research for the past two days and this is the best place ive found...tren is a big time fat burner and muscle toner correct? I am wanting to start a cycle myself...what would you reccomend for a new guy on tren? 50mg eod? I hear you guys mentioning test...should that be in there along with tren or would it be ok by itself...im still just needing some advice an help on it!
Thx all!
Dude tren is for experienced users! your gonna fuck yourself up! research "test only cycles" thats what you need to be doing!
Exactly Roid Noid, Tren is no joke man. This guy can also throw some Equipoise in future cycles. But for his first cycle a Test E at 500mg/week for 12 weeks should be enough to get a all kinds of gains! And of course a PCT
Im currently running tren ace @ 75mgs ed with half a cc of t400. I'm on week 8 and I never really got any sides, except for the night sweats the first 2 weeks and the occasional tren cough when I don't warm up the vial. My point being is that I definitely would run tren high and test at TRT levels around 200-250 mg a week. I went from 240, 12% bf to 234 at 9% bf. That's what worked best for me. I think its because they fight for the same receptors and with tren being so much more potent that's what you want binding to the receptors.
DarksideSixwhat is the myth about tren? Im confused.....it says "tren once more is a myth a stupid urban legend born because stupid guys used it without awareness...." What does that even mean? It's also incorrect is when it mentions that tren is a progestin, which is actually a myth, it is not a progestin.
Also, i think it's better to run Tren high, and test low. most of the side effects people think they're getting from Tren are actually from the Test being too high.
The mith is that Tren is horrible? I'm guessing?... Although I've I've seen it being made from fina pellets and have never been convinced that what you wind up jabbing is effective/safe. In honesty though back when I did it, I had no clue what I was doing, nor did I have a way of gauging its effectiveness
I've ran test as high as 3000 mg. per week, and never got insomnia, night sweats, mood swings, burning in neck/trap area, paranoia...etc....
I get ALL of those things on Tren, including Tren-cough...even when Test is taken out of the mix.
It's all about finding out what YOU respond to.
But I agree....I get my best results running Tren high and test moderate
DarksideSixi always run Tren higher.....thats where the results are!
Test and Tren are both highly androgenic and compete for the same androgen receptor but because Tren is 5 times stronger than test it will beat Test to the receptors so you could essentially run about 300mg of test and run the tren at a higher dose or you can continue to run your test at the higher dose and tren lower depending on what your goals are.
We only have so many receptors in our body, roughly, they die off and re grow all the time. Different types of receptors are in specific areas of our body, mostly. androgen, estrogen a shitload of them. Once we fill up the androgen receptor the rest of the medication is wasted, it doesnt do anything.
Since I want the tren gains, dry lean huge vascular gains, I want the tren to attach to more recptors than the test right? its a synergistic effect in one nice formula, and the best one AAS wise.
So running 4-600 tren (i know guys that say the real size gains from tren are up around 7-800mg shooting 100 or so daily) with 300 test is great.
These guys run low dose test with it, just enough for normal activities, we dont need any anabolic or androgenic muscle building effects from it, we have the tren for that.
This will actually leave you less prone to side effects, since high prolactin is usually associated with high estro.
Yep.....when I have ran the test high, it has always been with Deca at 1/2 of that. I don't generally run Deca and Tren at the same time.
So if I'm running Test at 2000, I run deca at a gram....maybe 1300mg., depending on what my training protocol looks like----I like to run the Deca a little higher when I'm training heavier. My joints don't protest as much...lol
I'm just now getting into the Tren Ace genre, which I'm running with T prop.(no Deaca or long-estered test now) I'm going to back the prop down a little---I was simply running a mL of each...T prop and mL of Tren ED.
Getting ready to pin right now---but I'm going to pump 1.5 mL of the Tren, and go EOD with 1 mL of the test prop??
Thoughts??
DarksideSixThat is my favorite cycle right there. I'm starting one on Monday.
400mg wk of Prp
600mg wk Tren Ace.
Cycle is the shit!!......and if you really wanna lean out and harden up....ad 400mg wk of Masteron.
Thanks...have no Mast on hand, but have plenty of Primobolan. Not sure if that would sub well or not.
I'm going to make the adjustments and se how it goes for the nest 6-7 weeks...after that, going to clear receptors...:(
Thanks for your input!
Primo would be great for that stack! thinking of adding primo to the mix.. im doing tren a andmast p and test prop right now! Gonna add in primo next week . will let you know how it goes if u want........Also gonna bump tren up around 5-600... been around 300
I'm not sure if this is the place for this question but heregoes... I ordered tren e from a source & he discounted the price because it needs to be heated. Can anyone give me some direction as to the proper way to heath the tren? I tried some online research but it wasn't very helpful. Eroids has never let me down yet.
Thanks!
A) really not the place
B) heat to no more than 160 degrees (farenheight) and swirl it around in the water.
leeboya lot of contradicting rubbish written here, should't be a sticky at all lol
DarksideSixAGREED!
Thank you for this post. Very interesting reading !
@riod noid
Do you mean that it is a myth that if you take tren at lower levels that the side effects aren't as bad? (myth being not true)
Well that was my experience, will it be yours or someone elses? I cant answer that! I can only tell you that the sides where nonexistant at very low doses for me!
Thanks bro, I was just really asking about the way you worded the response. I didn't know if you were agreeing with the post, or contradicting it satirically.
phil113kgGoing into my sixth week using tren ace at EOD 75mg and I can report that the sides that were felt at the beginning are leveled off to the point that it is not as bothering. I have the occasional night sweats but not like before. I dropped BF and at the same time gained 4 kilos of pure clean muscles. My objective is to maintain 95 kilos while loosing body fat. I noticed my bodyweight that went up to 99 kilos then slowly back down as the fat continued to fall off. Also fullness and dense muscle fibers was another goal that is being achieved while on my prep for the contests. The veins are showing like a road map while the separations are getting deeper. This is my report on this.
Thank you for this post. Very intresting reading. I´ve been thinnking of using tren in my next cycle and I will probably lower de dosage a bit.
Hmmmmm Hello this is nice post thank you for taking the time to do this or. Andadrol also is a very powerful steroid with a lot of noted side effects would you categorize us as the same potency is Tren
All I have to say about this article"Take everything with a grain of salt." This author-"Anonymous" obviously needs to do some more research on Tren or have some credible sources backing up his claims. Pulling some scientific jargon that he read off Wikipedia anyone can do that. Tren is not a mith, end of story.
the myth is that if you abuse tren then your subject to the sides, and if you use it in moderation it can be done so with out the horror story...And I can back that up with my experience to be true.
Roid noid i'm on my second week of tren an and I agree I only had a couple sides last week but none this week i'm taking 40 mg of d bol ad 25 Mg of proviron ad and 250 Mg of tren aw if you have any pointers let me know
Between trend and Anadrol which one you like best
They are totally different compounds, and depending oupon my goals I could like either one!
phil113kgYou said a lot man with just this statement. With you on this, thanks.
thank you this was also my reasoning I was hoping for someone as your self to chime in this i was only gonna try 50 a week o the e so what do you think on the a as onece every other day or daily at less than 50mg
thank you as I would like to try tren can you tell me is it better to go with the e version for longer absorption and long dissipation or the acetate one thx appreciate any answer
Ive been searching for a good, straight forward tren article, I look forward to reading more of your stuff
thanks for the post have some tren e 200 just trying to figure out the best way to run this
tren is a miracle drug. ill never stray away from it in a cycle again
Tren is unreal if it be tren a,or tren e,I prefer tren a,but thats just me.
Thanks! I have used Tren @ a 75 or 100 mg dosage. I time my usage for rare days of very (I do mean very)heavy activity. Then I pin 3iu of IGF r3 soon as I'm done exerting myself. Drink myself a high sugar content drink to spike my insulin, eat some good food and then I sleep like a baby. Have had phenomenal results with this method. I use this method hoping to capitalize on the increased igf binding effects of Tren on my receptors. I have done this on only a few occasions during the last year. Perhaps 9 times total. A little seems to go a long way! Might all be in my head but my body seems effected by this method for quite sometime afterward. In all the right ways.
Great Post! I wonder If your test dose is 750mg/week of test e, would only 200mg/week of tren enth do anything?!? Cheers!
Brilliant advice and thank you!
good post.
thank you for posting, i am considering tren and would use it at lowest dose possible.
Interesting info, hadn't read an explanation like that before!
I started a 30 day blast a week ago and in tren at 25mg/d and I can honestly say im feeling it with no sides, slight insomnia but its only about an hour a night and that could be attributed to the test-p...Glad I signifacantly dropped the dose from what ive done before.