+ 31 Getting Gear Tested
Getting your gear tested is allot easier then you may think. But you will have to do some serious chemistry homework first. For those of you who live in the USA, most universities offer these services to industry and the public for a fee. First locate a major public university, I say "major" because Liquid Chromatography Mass Spectrometry LC/MS machines don't grow on trees, although some smaller school may also have them.
Lets take world famous UC Berkeley for example, their fees for analyzing samples by LCMS are here: http://qb3.berkeley.edu/qb3/msf/rates.cfm
I agree it is a little pricey at $153 per sample but if you think your going to buy a whole bunch of gear it could be worth it. I have seen fees as low as $10,, sleep with that chemistry graduate student and get all your samples run for free.
How much sample do they need? Literally 1 drop will do, the machines are extraordinarily sensitive.
So what does an LC/MS do? It separates all of the components of a mixture and determines there molecular weights. How does it do this... get a PhD.
So if you test a vial of Test Enth, the LC/MS should show a large amount of ions of molecular weigh 401.31, because that is the molecular weight of the Test Enth molecule,, +1 for ionization. You don't have to tell the people at the facility what your sample is, in fact most of the samples they run are unknowns (that's why they are testing!). Just say your looking for a mass of 401.31. If your sample doesn't have this large number of ions then there is no Test Enth in your sample.
I recently had a sample of the new Syntrop DPL4fifty from one of eroids top 5 suppliers tested. It was suppose to be composed of Test Enth and Drostanolone Enth. It did test positive for a large quantity of Test Enth, but there were no significant ions at 417.33, meaning no Drostanolone Enth, it was fake, but it would still have given me results if I had used it because it was loaded with testosterone. So now I have a question for you, how does anybody know what this steroid or that steroid actually does when you have no idea what's in your vial?
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Great thread. I would certainly be happy to chip in with funds.
If we are not careful this thread will die and I feel that some great things could come from it. BFG are you out there?
Shouldn't happen,.........the thread has been pinned to the top of the page.
Now Im completly concerned about the sustaplex 325 I know its real but it just doesnt feel 750mgs a week real.
Well the decanoate ester has an even longer half life than Test E or Cyp,. Did you allow for that ??
Just when you thought this thread was dead! More results! This time Zymoplex tamoxifen and Norma Test E from the same supplier. This time though,, everything is kosher. See for yourself. (The test E results are not posted).
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how many karma will ya give me if i get some tested?...i have a university i went to college right in my city have a few connects still there.lol
I haven't seen a reaction from regenxxl on this? Does anyone know if they had anything to say?
This entire post as well as replys is just awesome knowledge!!!
AnonBrillant man. Being pre-med I actually have the resources to have one of my clinical professors test for FREE! cant beat that. maybe i'll start buying from all the sources and posting stats to see who REALLY has the BEST gear.
Great info .
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It's pretty easy to fake the data, just erase a couple numbers and put in the ones you want. Independent testing is the only thing that counts.
On E-bay right now $50.00 LINK NOT POSTED, unless BFG say "OK"
" This auction is for the service of providing one LC-MS analysis of 1 sample using a Water HPLC system including MS, ELS and UV detectors. We will provide a LC-MS chromatograph for any 1 sample you provide. We will dissolve the sample, inject the sample, run it on a standard 5% to 95% gradient and send the data via FAX or e-mail. Please inquire if you have more than one sample or need method development. One micro gram of material is needed to obtain a good analysis. We have over 5 years of LC-MS analytical experience. "
If I can be of any service let me know I can certainly volunteer time and a little money to the effort. If we can start randomly ordering and testing these guys that's a game changer!
what did you put in the search field? that will get us there...
HPLC System
You might start at cheapest first and go straight to the $50 mark.
Easy enough, we need to get these fuckers in our back pocket, people on eroids could post results like they do a blood test. Get a few people doing it and well see how honest these suppliers are!
Couldn't agree more. I have no problem shelling out cash for security and peace of mind. All it takes is a few people doing this, and these scammers will start to cave in like a paper cup.
Anonhow about break down like cheap drugstore cotton?
Like I've been saying all along... Eroids is changing the game! : )
couldnt agree more and im so much more confident with my usage now.
So ive read through all this and im wondering if you are aware of any of these universities that will accept a mail request or do you have to actually go there? By the way excellent info had to give you a few +2's...
I LIVE CLOSE BY TO UC BERKELEY N HAV A BUNCH OF FRENDS THAT ATTEND THERE SO I COULD ASK A FEW QUESTIONS N SEE IF I COULD THEY COULD POSSIBLY HELP OUT LOL.
It is not unusual for them to get samples in the mail. There are a lot of small research companies that cannot afford to buy these complex instruments and so must rent instrument time from a university. Forgetting universities entirely though there are also quite number of companies that do this testing too, just search google for "LCMS service". At a university usually these services are typically through the mass spectrometry facility. Call them up and tell them you have a complex mixture of "plant hormones"(it doesn't really matter) that you need an LCMS scan for. You need to do a huge amount of homework first though because there are a million questions they could ask you and it will become very obvious very quickly that you are not a chemist. In fact you might be better off telling them this to start with and making up some story about how you need to determine if mass X is present in the sample. The good news is that if you ask them to look for mass 344.23 no one is going to say, "Ah Ha! your trying to see if this sample has testosterone propionate in it!" The other good news is that you only have to send them a singe drop in a glass vial, the instruments are crazy sensitive, like detect the cocaine on the bills in your wallet right now sensitive.
After thinking about it, you will probably be better off with private companies because they are in it for the money, they will be more helpful. Anyways make some phone calls you guys!
THIS is why there are "certain entities" within the industry that are NOT HAPPY with Eroids! WE welcome this shit!
BFG does this mean we get to reset the poll that we recently came up with?
Wow thanks for sharing this I am shocked
We will all be waiting to hear from Regenxxl. Maybe a dumb idea but perhaps we all throw some money in a pot and start randomly testing.
OK roadkill...I have a question...Since a particular molecular weight equates with a particular substance, is there a table or chart that lays out all molecular wieghts?
In other words, where would I find the molecular weights of all AAS compounds?
And I understand that steroid testing of blood samples is significantly more expensive?
Molecules can have the same mass but have different arrangements of atoms and hence be different substances entirely. Welcome to organic chemistry, first quarter... There is no chart, just add up the weights of all the atoms in the molecule (steroid) your looking for. Here is a calculator: http://www.sisweb.com/referenc/tools/exactmass.htm. You can use similar equipment to test blood samples so it's probably the same price
If they have the same mass, would this machine thingy be able to tell them apart ???
The mass spec could not, but they would have different retention times on the LC column which would tell them apart. That is why LC is paired with MS, can't fool it..
Is it different from a HPLC machine or are they pretty much the same.
LC\MS is an HPLC where the output is connection to a mass spectrometer. If your column was long enough you could use that alone to detect steroids by retention time.
So, win the lottery and I can go shopping on ebay.
lol, the machines are very expensive, like lamborghini expensive
Yes, the new ones, there are a few on Fleabay, that seem to be in working condition, price tags are more new toyota ish.
But then there is learning how to operate it and avoiding the Roid Rage episode because it didn't give you the right answer.
AnonAnd there is your next business venture. Buy one, learn how to test, and setup a UGL testing site specifically for steroids..
You forgot to mention, samples (small) and a $50 bill is to be sent to a PO Box outside of the USA.
Anybody just hear that noise,................both the DEA & a bunch of sources, crapped themselves.
Thank you very much.
There is probably no other site right now that shines the light on the world of online gear like eroids. Wish I could clone you.
Also because several drugs/compounds can be made up of the same number of Carbon atoms, hydrogen and Oxygen atoms arranged differently and example would be :
C22 H32 O3
Which is Methenolone Acetate (Primobolan), Testosterone Prop (Test Prop), Novel (a plant extract).
How would this show up as they would all weigh the same.
Yeah, I'm learning as I go here.
Interesting stuff. My goal is to at least be able to understand the lab reports when we get them back, because I've pretty much had it with sources selling bullshit gear, and I'm not going to rely soley on blood plasma levels anymore.
Outstanding investigative report/post, whether it's your first post or 100th!!
Anonis it safe to take this to a university to get tested??...it being an illegal substance and all
Anonif you re read the post, it says that tests are done assuming "we" don't know what the substance is. You get a report back with numbers on it so you need to know what number should be there.
We might want to hold off on lynching the source (as much as I like to go to a good shit kicking). I'm having trouble finding a MW for Drostanolone Enanthate, I'm seeing #'s all over the place 596.86, 416.57 (my calulation), 417.33 (from the OP), 416.64,
your calculation is correct 416, but you have to add 1. The mass spec only detects charged species, in this case the sample is run in acid so it picks up a hydrogen atom of mass 1. 416+1 = 417
Anonyou got the wrong GRRRL as far as any lynching goes.. that Goth in a tren rage throwing the bottles of lixus around the house.
I've still got a good pair of shit kicker left,.............William ran away while I was changing footwear.