+ 31 Getting Gear Tested
Getting your gear tested is allot easier then you may think. But you will have to do some serious chemistry homework first. For those of you who live in the USA, most universities offer these services to industry and the public for a fee. First locate a major public university, I say "major" because Liquid Chromatography Mass Spectrometry LC/MS machines don't grow on trees, although some smaller school may also have them.
Lets take world famous UC Berkeley for example, their fees for analyzing samples by LCMS are here: http://qb3.berkeley.edu/qb3/msf/rates.cfm
I agree it is a little pricey at $153 per sample but if you think your going to buy a whole bunch of gear it could be worth it. I have seen fees as low as $10,, sleep with that chemistry graduate student and get all your samples run for free.
How much sample do they need? Literally 1 drop will do, the machines are extraordinarily sensitive.
So what does an LC/MS do? It separates all of the components of a mixture and determines there molecular weights. How does it do this... get a PhD.
So if you test a vial of Test Enth, the LC/MS should show a large amount of ions of molecular weigh 401.31, because that is the molecular weight of the Test Enth molecule,, +1 for ionization. You don't have to tell the people at the facility what your sample is, in fact most of the samples they run are unknowns (that's why they are testing!). Just say your looking for a mass of 401.31. If your sample doesn't have this large number of ions then there is no Test Enth in your sample.
I recently had a sample of the new Syntrop DPL4fifty from one of eroids top 5 suppliers tested. It was suppose to be composed of Test Enth and Drostanolone Enth. It did test positive for a large quantity of Test Enth, but there were no significant ions at 417.33, meaning no Drostanolone Enth, it was fake, but it would still have given me results if I had used it because it was loaded with testosterone. So now I have a question for you, how does anybody know what this steroid or that steroid actually does when you have no idea what's in your vial?
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you speak of integrity, well with a bullshit post like that I put YOUR credibility at ZERO... Why would I put any faith in ANYTHING you would contribute from this point on... YOU brought it to US, so put up or shut up
Anon"gear tender" cut this man OFF... someone call him a cab!
sgtstedankoDid somebody call a cab!? "Eddie can I get you something to drink or eat, drive you out in the middle of nowhere and leave you for dead"? ~ Chevy Chase from Christmas Vacation
I'm sorry...but there is no reason why you can't site results or methods...Do you have a mass spectrometer sitting in your living room?
Frankly, I think you're full of shit. If you're going to make claims, be prepared to back them up, otherwise keep them to yourself.
If your testing is "accurate and commonly used by others", then you should have no problem disclosing results. I have blood test results posted in the pic section..it's quite easy to blot out revealing info. If you're that worried about being identified, you should consider closing your eroids account..you know...in case you get a tax audit and have your computer seized.
Yes, perhaps you are correct . . . that I should keep things to myself. I should go back to my other professional colleagues and keep to myself. "Frankly", it's individuals like yourselves, so full of skepticism, fear, and anger that gives this industry the reputation it has. You get a professional wanting to impart some of their knowledge (which is scientific based), and three "moderators" gang up on me! Is it a self-esteem issue? Need a few more friends or "rep" points, by belittling another at their expense - just to make yourselves look good! Yes, simple diagnosis of low self-esteem - all too common on forums. What I can't understand is why you are so dense to not see who I am. Instead you drive me away. Yes, I take the cautious road and it goes far beyond a simple "blood test". Too many variables for the levels you are taking to accurately and effectively identify exact compositions. Nonetheless, it is sad that three individuals who are supposed to be "moderators" take the poor stance of attack and eliminate. Especially for the reported age of some of you - one would expect your life experience by now has left you with some level of tolerance, acceptance, and understanding. I'd hate to discuss politics or business with you if you display such ignorance as this!
I don't know if you're a doctor, but I'm positive you need one. Specifically, a psychologist.
Lesson for the day::: Men of science don't make claims without supporting data.
AnonI fail to see how it is I "Ganged" up on you, or anyone else did for that matter. I simply said "I don't see why you can't post results" and left it at that.In fact I challenge you to show me how a simple statement such as that "drove you away."
If my harmless statement offended your noble sensibilities then you sir are far to sensitive and insecure about who you are. However, you can at least get your "facts" straight.
Furthermore, to makes this about points and self esteem is rather preposterous.. and I do believe that the other Mods would agree.
You made public statement regarding how you test all your gear refused to share the results and now are upset when others question your integrity? Really? You made claims that you won't even back up,except to say 'I am protecting my identity' ok what ever, you don't want to share the test results so don't bring it up. Especially considering this is a hugely contended issue regarding the legitimacy of the ugl's AND another individual has gone so far as to not only talk about it but post the results ..... Are YOU so obtuse that you can't understand why people would say such things to you?
You read too much into things.. puhleez.. "attack and eliminate".. wow, you really seem to have some issues when your posts get questioned.. how are you any different when you sling insults at other members of the board when they call you a bullshitter..? Oh, that's right you aren't.
eryximachusFrankly, I'm disappointed by how Doc is being treated here. One can tell from the quality of his writing is one of the most intelligent people on this site. That alone should cause of you fine moderators to show some deference. This game is filled with some of the biggest morons not locked up in an asylum, have the reviews sound like they were written by someone retarded.
As far as I'm concerned, his comment is no different than saying he injected some crap and didn't work. Except he can write.
sgtstedankoBrother relax. I think that they were/are just skeptical of someone who is not willing to back himself up with facts. IMO, he could black out all the info on labs, except results. & that would gain a whole lot of brownie points. Let's face it, as Hollywood once said. There really aren't a lot of genius juice heads. I'd like to recruit a whole bunch of dudes on here, and especially from other sites, for {Operation Human Shield} You should visit some other sites. You will then realize how much more intelligent this family as a whole is : ) Thanks ~~~
EXACTLYYYY, this is what I was gunna say, nobody is attacking dude, they are calling him out! The whole point of this is to share our experience and he has knowledge of fake juice but won't tell us??? WHO DOES THAT??? And if he wants to be so secret why doe she use the name "doc" I think this guy may be a con artist living out some fantasy of being a doctor but besides using proper grammer he has nothing to back it up.
Ok , I understand. Maybe u could at least say which gear u have tested and what the results were, thats not posting a photo. I mean im not gonna put all my eggs in one basket with what u would say, but at least its something to ponder.
??? I call bullshit haha
You just proved my point for me! (and why I would not post something l lIke that and draw the attention to myself)! Some dumbass kid not even having ran 3 cycles calling me out. Enough said.
OK, I am not going to go ranting and raving and freaking out on you like I sometimes tend to do.....shit.ask around the board. lol....with some of my posts people always say no wonder my name is highstrung.lol.....with that being true Im in a great mood. Best day at gym in long time and had some drunk douche at the club I work at come at me and well...lets just say i feel so much better and got out some bottled up rage. Ok done rambling. My point to this response is from how you SEEM to verbalize in a profesional manner and seem to have a vocab and some grammer skills I am not going to toake you for an idiot like I would to others. My feeling are as follows:
1) You make accusations about the testing you have done etc....but why not share useful and potentially health risking information with the rest of us? Dont even need to post exact or pictoral evidence,but at least submit the gear from which suppliers and what was wrong with it
2)You make comments of of health,dosage,well being and such and although you may feel some individuals take a health risk by doing the cycles or dosages that they do,supportive evidence of your claims could potentially help and or have people reconcider their approach. ESPECIALLY to people that are new to this and looking for advice. Even after tons of research,some of the best knowledge obtained is from people who have been there and done that or have things tested such as yourself.
3) Plain and simple......regardless if you agree with others cycles or dosages, AAS users in my opinion are in a way part of a family ESPECIALLY on this site. We are always trying to look out for eachother. Three main reasons are health,safety,and flat out getting ripped off. If you feel that you were attacked by three mods,in a way I can see how you innitially felt that. However keep in mind thier here to do just that....moderate....and that includes getting pertinant information out to us all. For the claim of the easy access you have and the numerous testiments of testing various gear from various suppliers and making the comments that some are bad yet not share who or what gear, well im sorry but that is very bad character for ANYBODY. In closing, as a decent human being which I want to believe that you are, in yor mind and heart you should feel compelled to share such valuable information to the rest of us for many reason without having to even post pictures,names,details,etc....your the only one ive ever seen make such claims but decide not to share and Ive been on here for quite a bit now. You have to honestly understand that by taking the road to not supplying such valuable information to the rest of us for a good cause is surely going to make you look like,and have people you are....in so many words...full of shit. If you would rather discuss this and feel more comfortable sharing info or just talking,feel free to send me a freind request and we can go through PM. I hope if your comments stand legit,that you will reconcider your decision of sharing such vital information. SORRY ALL FOR THE LONG POST.
You won't post something like that because you don't have it, its called allegations. Hey I'm a millionaire but I can't prove it so. But hey I'm just a dumbass kid right smfh
Bit to much to read since im short on time. Dunno if any one posted this. But random testing every time you got a vial from a new or different source that you've decided to use. if you can get to this thing for free or cheap it could def help out everrrry one doing research... Of course don't tellem your the one who tests gear =]
AnonBro I understand your point of view. But according to me it is unthinkable to test all the gear to be sure it is legit. You know that we are talking of illegal drugs and we know perfectly the risks that we are running in doing this sfuff. This test (specthrophotometer) in Europe, as I mentioned in my post below ,costs 150,00-200,00 euro. For what ? Do I spend 200,00 euro to test an amp? Is it worth it?. My persomal experience says something different. I am not on/off cycle anymore. I run steroids all the year round and I have been doing this for 10 years. You know that I have the highest risk being "on" all the year...but it is my choice and all the things that medical system say about steroids are big fat lies. I use pharma grade products with excellent results and I feel safe. if I were to run exotic steroids nowadays out of the market like parabolan, masteron, dianabol, I would have the higher risk to come across in bunk,crap, or fake products, because no pharma grade company manifactures and distributes this stuff anylonger. However if you run deca, testosterone, boldenone, stanozolol,oxandrolone and so on you will always find a pharma grade company that produces these products either for human or vet use and you can use them safely.
There are a lot of good pharma grade companies such as Balkan, Unigen, Alpha-Pharma,Schering, Organon that manifacture the best base steroids ever.So You have only to use them to feel safe. Moreover you have the 100% security that these products are legit, and perfectly manifactured with the USP/BP standards. Remember that Testosterone enanthate, cypionate, propionate,nandrolone decanoate, nandrolone phenylpropionate, stanozolol tabs/ampoules(vet), oxandrolone, oximetholone are the best steroids on the market and they can be running safely and can be combined to plan a lot of different cycles to get excellent outturn. These products can give you the best results without any risk. So my advice is to use them as I have been doing safely for long time. Looking for parabolan, masteron, dianabol will make you at risk to buy fake products and it is a totally non sense. In my opinion exotic drug are a stupid choice if you compare risk/benefit ratios. The steroids available legally on the market have the highest benefits with the lowest risks. Deca durabolin has benn using for 50 years and it is the safest steorid available at these days.Testosterone the same. Me and you are not professional athletes, so tell me what is the vantage to run exoit drugs rather than the gear legally available ? Do you have to partecipate to Mr. Olympia Championship ? Because on the contrary Deca and testosterone, as an example, will make you big with the lowest risk. This is my tip. Use what it is legit and sleep well.
Speaking of pharma grade, I found a great website that is mostly pharma. They have all the names you mentioned. I just don't know if it's g2g. Am I allowed to say the name of the site here?
There is no rule that says you cant mention a source in the forums just source reviews.
Anonif you want more info PM me.
Not totally sure but I think if they are not listed in SRC reviews than it is a no no
I just found 'em listed here. They had some misunderstanding but seem really g2g! Let me ask if it's cool to mention them. I just don't wanna get karma dinged, lol.
Anonyou may want to take this conversation private.. ;-)
Anonhint hint no body wants to bring the scary dictator out of grrrrl >:O
Got it
A fair point. However I would think the majority use UGL's and I don't think you would change that. I can switch to pharma grade for test but I am also running HGH and there is no way I would ever be able to afford the original item so have to rely on a UGL for that. I realize you can't test everything but a bit of random testing would keep these guys on their toes.
AnonI am myself not the majority and I use the products that make me fell safe. About Hgh I can suggest to buy Unitropin manufactured by Unigen.Unigen is pharma grade company and all its products have obtained registration as well as they are approved by Thailand's Food and Drug Administration.Better than nothing. My friend...consider this as my point of views nothing more nothing less. Every one has free will so do what you think is the best for yourself.
As you say, to each their own. I will however consider the advise you have given me. Thank you.
So how would this work? Would it rely on the generosity of a few members that invest their own money into getting their own gear tested, then posting results for all to see? The way I see it there are givers and takers in this world and there are always more takers than givers! You have only to look at the number of regular constructive posts compared to the pissing and moaning posts in the source reviews. The only time these fuckers have anything to say is when they have something to whine about. I for one would be happy to put my hand in my pocket and contribute to the costs of testing for my own benefit and for the benefit of others. That said I wouldn’t be happy to be taken advantage of by a bunch of freeloaders. To make the thing work is not going to be cheap unless of course I have underestimated the generosity of the good members of eroids. Could there perhaps be a section of the forum accessible only to those who contribute to the costs of testing. That way it would encourage others to contribute knowing that that way they would get to see the valuable information and at a fraction of the price it would have cost to go out and get the test done off their own backs. Of course all other areas would be open to non contributors as it is not in my mind to exclude anyone. I am just trying to come up with a practical solution to get this thing to work.
AnonBro I understand your point of view. But according to me it is unthinkable to test all the gear to be sure it is legit. You know that we are talking of illegal drugs and we know perfectly the risks that we are running in doing this sfuff. This test (specthrophotometer) in Europe, as I mentioned in my post below ,costs 150,00-200,00 euro. For what ? Do I spend 200,00 euro to test an amp? Is it worth it?. My persomal experience says something different. I am not on/off cycle anymore. I run steroids all the year round and I have been doing this for 10 years. You know that I have the highest risk being "on" all the year...but it is my choice and all the things that medical system say about steroids are big fat lies. I use pharma grade products with excellent results and I feel safe. if I were to run exotic steroids nowadays out of the market like parabolan, masteron, dianabol, I would have the higher risk to come across in bunk,crap, or fake products, because no pharma grade company manifactures and distributes this stuff anylonger. However if you run deca, testosterone, boldenone, stanozolol,oxandrolone and so on you will always find a pharma grade company that produces these products either for human or vet use and you can use them safely.
There are a lot of good pharma grade companies such as Balkan, Unigen, Alpha-Pharma,Schering, Organon that manifacture the best base steroids ever.So You have only to use them to feel safe. Moreover you have the 100% security that these products are legit, and perfectly manifactured with the USP/BP standards. Remember that Testosterone enanthate, cypionate, propionate,nandrolone decanoate, nandrolone phenylpropionate, stanozolol tabs/ampoules(vet), oxandrolone, oximetholone are the best steroids on the market and they can be running safely and can be combined to plan a lot of different cycles to get excellent outturn. These products can give you the best results without any risk. So my advice is to use them as I have been doing safely for long time. Looking for parabolan, masteron, dianabol will make you at risk to buy fake products and it is a totally non sense. In my opinion exotic drug are a stupid choice if you compare risk/benefit ratios. The steroids available legally on the market have the highest benefits with the lowest risks. Deca durabolin has benn using for 50 years and it is the safest steorid available at these days.Testosterone the same. Me and you are not professional athletes, so tell me what is the vantage to run exoit drugs rather than the gear legally available ? Do you have to partecipate to Mr. Olympia Championship ? Because on the contrary Deca and testosterone, as an example, will make you big with the lowest risk. This is my tip. Use what it is legit and sleep well.
I think that's why we have Karma points, right? I mean, yes you are gonna have "free loaders" regardless, so why not encourage folks to test product (I'm encouraged by your post btw) for obvious reasons...the self benefit for one, but more than that, the benefit for others. What follows is Great Karma, literally and maybe figuratively (50, 100, 150 points)they could receive by just scanning and uploading dated report. Just a thought
That would be great. But I think a minority will end up going to a lot of expense for the benefit of the majority. If the majority chip in, then more testing will get done. The more testing gets done then the more the producers and suppliers will have to step their game up. That means better gear for us the end users. I don't think any of us would say no to better gear and sources. Just my opinion ;-)
AnonBRO...WHY DON'T YOU POST THE LAB TEST ABOUT Syntrop DPL4fifty ? I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT..THANKS
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkIf you would have read the thread,..........you would have found pic's of the results in the 6th reply.
Anonfor sure...
Its good to no theres ways to really find out if your gear is real i just tryed a new site sterod-mania i used genesis product but this one said just genesis not unigen and the top was totally different then where i usally get it so different that once i broke the seal i could easily take the top write off not a good sign but he swears its real and it comes from thailand where i usally get it it has both languages for usage i don't no to try it or not.
AnonI agree with what you wrote bro.In europe to test what substances are presente in a sample we use a spectrophotometer. A spectrophotometer is able to determine, depending on the control or calibration, what substances are present in a target and exactly how much through calculations of observed wavelengths. The cost of the test can vary between 150,00€ to 200,00€ and only a few lab have this sofisticated equipment.
For me it is worthless. If I had to save 200,00 € buying from Ugl sources and at the same time I had to test my gear in a lab that costs 200,00€ I'd rather spend more money to buy pharma grade products.
Pharma Grade products provide the highest rate of safety as regards dosage, sterility,purity and correct substance.
That's why in my thread pharma grade versus ugl I stated that pharma grade products are the first and only right choice as far as steroids are concerned. http://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/steroids-ugl-versus-pha...
great advice.
Oh crap, I just spent 300$ on regen and of that, DPL4fifty was one of my purchases. I knew such a cheap test/mast e blend must have been too good to be true. I also bought a test/tren e blend, but from these results I'm wondering if I just paid for over-priced test e. First I had an issue with their fake looking turanaplex and now this.
ZEEK33so were they all fake? or do you not have the results?
Yeah this is a great idea. But as others have said, it would have to be random testing done every so often to thwart the selective scammers. Also we'd need to be able to confirm the approximate strength, since just knowing that there is Deca in the Deca is not good enough, as there is so much under dosing that happens too.
AnonGood post bro, I love this one!
being as how the dosage of ugl's is so much higher than human grade id be happy to chip in on some gear being tested as long as i knew in a pm what source and company name/product was being tested great post bro
Great thread I would love to know what I am putting in my body. If you have a list of cheap places to get the stuff tested post them. I would pay $100 to find out if my $500 investment is worth it and go back to the suppliers and get retribution if it isn't. If they don't help us out, we have a beautiful place like eroids to post our experiences.
HMMM. Well I have not seen any sources drop by this thread donating any samples as of yet. I know there is some legit sources on here who sell real gear dosed properly and it is the exact steroid they say it is. Masteron being masteron, deca being deca, equipose being equipose and so forth and so on.
"Well I have not seen any sources drop by this thread donating any samples as of yet."
I would question any sample sent by a source purely for the purpose of testing.
It may just be me, but this is why testing of a source or lab's product should be done covertly. (In other words don't tell them your going to be testing it)
Thats why you guys are the pros. My dumbass did not even think of that. Good point!! By the way how often do you think that what you order is in fact what you get? I been wanting some EQ and some masteron just to damn skeptical to pull the trigger.hmmm
bra this is the best thread ive read since ive been here, I definately tag this helpful.
Ur next thread should be "these labs are legit after testing"
We all will bow in thanks.
Also testing a raw powder would be awesome lol
I bought dpl4fifty and sus4fifty.
did u just say dpl4fifty has no masterone in it?
wtf axio/syntrop ?