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In most prisons that do not have a gym, prisoners make bottles with salt in them.
A 2-litre bottle can hold about 4 kilos of salt.
The bad thing is that when the perquisition arrive, they confiscate it, and everything has to be done again. That's how you spend your time in prison.
That’s why you use thick heavy books. Sometimes they don’t take your extra books because it’s not too terrible to hoard that stuff in the states.... they will take water and salt bags everytime.
No they don't and alot have gotten rid of them. Some do if your lucky. Where I was didn't on top of the food sucking I put on alot of bad wheight. Working it off now though.
Yeh not doubting you at all bud it was just something I assumed they did from all the films always showing people training etc. Are they getting rid of it all as they don't want inmates over powering the guards or as a general way of making things tougher and punishing people more?
They have weights in the prison system In The state where I live. The weights are welded onto the barbells. Have dumbbells too. We have machines and everything. It’s where I started lifting.
jayiskthey use to. but a couple of decades evil politicians decided that prisoners should not have weight lifting equipment. they had it backwards.
they dont realize it helps prisoners relief stress and is beneficial to their well being.
the politicians argued that prisoners should not be serving time and getting bigger and stronger. cause when they get out it would make them more dangerous to society.
but i am sure at the nice minimum Federal security prison white collar criminals/politicians serve their time at has a nice gym for them.
oh, and def. yes to this.
"general way of making things tougher and punishing people more?"
I didn't think you are doubting me I'm not sure why. I was in county for a year. I didn't go up state. Up state they have wheights in some places from what I was told. I'm trying not to visit any of them. I got a year for possession and dirty urines. I been staying clean for the most part and trying to rebuild my life again.
Ace VenturaDo you think you’re an addict/alcoholic?
Well yeah I had 9 yrs clean in NA been through the steps and all that.
Ace VenturaI’m just saying, not to sound funny, but then you’d know that “clean for the most part” doesn’t work for people like us. I’d hate to see you go through the same thing again, broham. I know if I use at all, I either need to stop, or it’s gonna be a quick slippery slope right back down that same rabbit hole again
PREACH...there is no middle of the road solution. I put anything in my body and there is a good chance of me robbing 3 ppl before I get home. Probably won’t make it home, probably be working out in the same cell this dude just left. Massive amounts of AAS push me over the edge sometimes too. Mostly trt from here on out.
KingsolverKeep the faith bro!! Hope your doing good still and staying clean. You can do this
Yukon_JackMuch respect house. I dont think addicts belong in jail. Rapists, murders child abusers. Jails and prisons are well oiled machines. Starting at the top with BIG PHARMA, Dave Chapell said it the best," the money is in the "treatment" not the cure." If Drs cured people they'd be out of business instead of driving lambos!! The change has already started house. Ur doing it bro!!
Take it one day at a time brother. Glad you are back
Thanks Pale. I will.
Update. Passed the hair follicle test. Got the job. Just got the word today. Thank you guys.
Right on. I knew it with 100% confidence. What a great feeling man. I do understand your concern, and the stress that knowing that, that 1 time may cost big time. its more embarrassing than anything, for me anyhow. Especially when, like me, have done everything in the past to try and beat any kind of drug test. I learned 2 things for sure. 1.) the only way to pass any drug test with 100 confidence, and that is just to stay clean, bottom line. 2.) If an employer wants to know the truth about anything, or what you have used or the things that you have done in the past, they can find it: they Will find it, even if they backtrack to your childhood. Some may not find criminal history going back past 7 years from computer searches, but Federal fingerprinting goes all the way back, and they can dig into the adolescence if they want. If an employer wants to know if your using dope, any kind of traffic ticket you've received and have paid, or even drank and drove even though you may have not been caught, they will find it if they want to know you bad enough. Sounds absolutely insane but its the simple truth. Congrats on that
Thank you for the kind words. I’m glad they don’t go back to childhood. I followed the dead in the 90s lol. Caught my charge on lot. Got a baby on the way and buying a house next year so I needed this badly.
Congrats bro!
Thank you. With another child on the way I needed it. Thank you all for the info and help. This is going to be much more money than my old job. This hard work is paying off. Three years ago I was living at the rescue mission and fresh out of prison. I use to go to my brothers to shower and look on his computer for a job. My PO wouldn’t let me live with him. His wife’s cousin is this hot chick that was staying there at the time. I don’t know what she saw in me but she believed in me and we started seeing eachother. She was with me when I was homeless. I worked my way up to an apartment bought a brand new car and I’m buying a house next year. Credit is almost perfect. Now I’m having a baby with a new job. Any of you guys on here can climb back up. That’s what makes a man a winner. Everybody messes up. No matter how bad you were addicted it’s not to late. Keep working toward being clean. Work toward a happier life. Doesn’t natter if you have to walk 5 miles to work everyday. Work your way back up. Don’t quit. Your life will get back together faster than you think. Temptation is there but it goes away. Look I was able to walk away after one line. I’ll pray for you guys. Good luck.
Wow congrats bro. I hear ya. Man i have a 1 year old girl and just found out im having another. And juat got laid off last wed. But im staying focused and keeping god1st bro. Everyday is a blessing. Especially to us who habe tasted hell. Storys are so simmilar its scary bro.... Just gotta keep TRUDGING!!
jayiskglad it worked out esp. for a better job.., but dont do this again " Look I was able to walk away after one line"
all of that stuff is as subtle as the devil. Thats how it gets you. One day it just a line and after awhile it hooks you right back in worse off then you were before.
they tell the alcoholic when he goes to relapse before he orders the 1st drink to put everything he loves and owns on the bar..,cause he is going to lose it all.
I don’t like the feeling. When I did the line I threw up in my car. Every drug I have done caused me misery with the exception of lsd which I don’t consider a drug. I like my life without coke and heroine.
Has anybody done one line of coke then two months later have to do a hair follicle drug test? No prior drug use last ten years before that. The one time I do it then a new job offer comes along that wants a hair test. I read that it doesn’t detect one time use. Just seeing if anybody has experience with this. Man I shouldn’t have fucked around. Lesson learned again.
You may need to find out the exact test there. May not help you here bro. More research for the specific test,
Hair follicle tests are crazy expensive. A regular user can pass after 8 weeks. This was known to be 3 month test. I Did it and passed in 2012 just being clean from some heroin use and I was smoking and blasting cocaine 4 _5 days a week, but stayed clean for 8 weeks; this was a 3 month hair test. It was a $75 test and they took urine also. This was for an employment for a recovery program in Las Vegas, NV.
I've also had an acquaintance that used Meth here and there, was given a few days notice of the test, came in the Test day with his hair all shiny and clean, by the way, I could not stand the mother Fr and he passed the Test. I thought for sure he would fail. I still wonder how he past it. I know he used meth here and there, maybe once a week before hosting an Meth anonymous meeting. Used to smell that shit in the restroom in a recovery program. used to miss me off big time and he used some hair bs and all those cleansers are junk anyhow. All you have is faith and I think your good. Depends on job and hair length;;; If your trying for the police I'd wait another few months. Opinion on that one. But just once and I would take the Test.
Wow thank you so much. I actually just read from lab Corp that it defiantly doesn’t detect one time use but it’s good to hear this from somebody that went through it. Man I haven’t touched coke in ten years except that one line 8 weeks ago then I get a job offer that does hair test. That’s a sign that I should never do that shit again. Job is for machine mechanic. they have a cut of level of 300 ng/dL. I should be waaayyy under that.
Oh ya. Real talk. Just being honest. Go take the test. Even If you used a lit back then I'm sure your still good. The boss back then in NV wanted all him employees sober; for new employees, he would UA them before hire, let them get comfortable and let their new hair grow for 2 weeks, then test them. It stays in hair for a long while but as hair grows, the chemical would weaken, so the fresher the hair after growth the better. Extensive testing can detect going back year but then that hair would have to be a foot long if you know what I mean. But then I'm positive extensive testing cost several hundred dollars. I thought about it you're good. One time is really nothing in terms for follicle testing. May not even show up after weeks or Even a month. You're good man. Just be positive. Ur gonna pass the test. If it was for a job that had you dealing with nuclear power or really dangerous, big time stuff where sobriety is demanded, heavy background checking and so forth, even 1 time use will not show after all this time that has passed. Even a sophisticated test May not detect cause I'm sure you keep your hair short which really does matter. I'm just positive. I'd do it with 100% confidence. I know, I'm a messup, I've tried to beat these tests in every way and have failed. Testing is just so sophisticated now. Can't really beat even the cups now a days. They can measure kidney
creatinine levels and know if one is flushing. Parts per billion, you're right, cut off lines. Later
Dude is lucky . but it was my belief the standard is 4 to 6 months it stays in. But i think with any test like urine they dont necessarily test for the. Chemical itself but. The elevated levels that breaks down the substance itself thats directly linked to that drug. If my memory serves me correctly. That is....... So like anything. With the minor amount. Would be below the limit to where they would even hassle you about it. Hope this helps at all
Right. That makes sense. They won't detect heroin, for example, but detect a specific level of acete-morphine 6 which is a precursor in many opiates or opioids/synthetic opioids; analgesics in general. Anyhow. Their testing methods have really advanced in the last 10 years. Even the cups can detect kidney function which can tell if one is flushing. One used to get away once or twice drinking the baking soda trick or the bleach, and all those flushing drinks are junk. Some detox teas May work if he or she is clean for at least 48 hours; stimulants are out in a few days anyhow, so what's the point. I finally learned how to just surely dominate those tests easily, and anybody can do it, and that's too just stay clean, lol, as easy as that.
jayiskin urine coke is tested for the metabolites.
" Many individuals may think that drug tests screen for cocaine, but they actually test for benzoylecgonine because its concentration in urine is 50 to 100 times greater than that of cocaine."
"Cocaine will remain detectable in hair for up to 90 days
Since hair typically grows 1 cm per month, a 3 cm sample of hair can provide history of drug use for about 90 days."
https://deserthopetreatment.com/cocaine-abuse/stay-in-system/
There it is, metabolites. you nailed it on the head. Right, I was getting to that point, lol, but you quoted it as accurate as can be and professionally said. Reason why you will see on a 9 or 12 label drug test cup, or a lab for that matter, for example, "Opiate, Oxy, Morphine, Buprenorphine, Hydrocodone, Cocaine, Meth, Amphetamines, THC, Benzodiazepine, Xanax, and so forth." Oxy? Is that Oxycontin, Oxycodone, Opiate??Boils down to the metabolite, although, for example, heroin is derived from morphine which is derived from the opium poppy, and to name a few more such as codeine, and hydrocodone; most everything else being synthesized from opiates or other opioids. The list is insane. But I'm not educated to go there or even argue but I'm sure that you have seen this.
Your metabolites fast factors this out. But then I've come to only 1 conclusion when completing a clean drug test with confidence and with no worries from any and all drug test, and that is to Stay Clean. That's the only answer. If an employer wants to catch an employee, and It does not matter how smooth this employee May be, if an employer feels or knows that his employee is or may be using dope, he or she is going to get caught. It's inevitable and imminent, and just a matter of time
Okay i dident remember the name. And that sounds right. Good read 2. Been long time since i had to worry about any of this. And i just had a u.a and busted for benzos cuz i was taking alieve-d with pseudo and (nsaid) from cvs for a fkn cold lol..i took care of it had to go to a lab but They crazy with this these days.
Oh man, then Xanax and the benzo used for alcohol detox, can't remember, stay for weeks. Methadone clinics don't dose anybody who is dirty for benzos, or until he or she gives a clean UA. Valium and it's lighter family are out in just days. And then those useless drug testing strips or the less expensive or older cups....I've seen false positives for the blood pressure medication, Locinipril, resulting in a false positive for bupronorphine-Suboxone; many employers rely on these cheap add tests also. Best to use labs anyhow. Seen many false positives with those useless strips and cups.
Yea man it was crazy. I prefer labs even out of pocket especiall when you can say i told ya so(ego) lmao. Anything can fall in there and tant shit.
jayiskMan a false positive would drive me nuts and is almost impossible to beat if the second vial of urine tests positive as well. Esp. if you know you are clean. Never did a hair drug screen before but I thought it lasted a yr or so. But good thing thats not the case.
Ironic thing is weed.., which tobacco, alcohol and other hardcore narcs this is the least harmful.., stays the longest in your system.
Now that pot is legal in a lot of states i wonder if they will try to push to change the drug screen for it on employment.
Yea i was really like pissed. Like hold up i dont think so lol. Yea man its crazy how the least harmful stays in so. Long...yet myabe its lile that because it has so many natural and beneficial remedies.. Makes one think.. Right. The harder the drug the worse on your body the faster its out . and ive thought abiut that. Kinda like booze. Its out in hours go work next morning no problemo and legal. Satans nector tho... Thats yonna be a tough one. Most companies are. Would still have they own policy. Reguardless of new laws. But im a ironworker and welder so id be fucked lol. But more technical. New age. Or smaller compaines would probley push for. Pc. Rights etc
From what I've read in the news coke is pretty much the worst thing to be mixing with steroids, the amount of people that mix it with anadrol and other high BP compounds on a weekend and then have strokes or die from heart attacks is very high.
KingsolverJesus I remember I used to do that all the fucking time when running anadrol and sniffing coke fri to Sunday. I'd never go back to them days fuck That!!
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Well, anyhow, that's exactly how ,"Kevin Randleman" died. He was open and honest about his cocaine use so I'm bringing it up. He did have a Massive heart attack just before he collapsed and passed in 2016 @ 45 years old. I can't really say anything else from here considering facts and what I have learned regarding the issue; he is no longer here to argue the issue but I know that he was a great guy, great humor, extremely powerful and an awesome champion in his day. Stimulants are just hard on the heart anyway.
Ultimately people who are serious about their training and steroid cycling don't drink alcohol, take opiates and do recreational drugs. I never even knew this whole subculture existed until I started reading the forums online.
I Strongly agree. I can't argue. In reference to the specific lifestyle, If you didn't include the term "Serious", Id bring up an arguable point or two. This includes cycling as well. Serious come with the term responsible; a general subject but I can't argue man. Youre correct. Ultimately boils down to What is the right thing.
Shave your head and ass
They take it from anywhere. My buddy passed his test and he did his at the same time and did more than me. I think I’m ok. But they will take your finger nail if they can’t take your hair. I don’t know why I even did it. I don’t like coke. Worse comes to worse I still have the job I’m at now
Yukon_JackClean from the needle since September 6,2018
1 day at a time.
I see a psychiatrist, therapist & grief&'trauma counselor for my past life experiences. It ain't easy but it's damn sure worth it.
I'll take my worst day sober over my best day high.
Keep it in the day. Don't say" I'll be sober the rest.of my life" just ask God to keep u from a drink or a drug just for today. That's what works for me as well as meetings and constant expanding my sober network
There are only 3 things gauranteed in active addiction!! Jails, institutions,&death.
Why not give up one thing to have everything or u can give up everything for one thing. Think about all the ones you've hurt along the way.
4th step is getting rid of that heavy baggage that you've been carrying around for so long so when u make those ammemds u have at least cleared your side of the street & u know you've done then best you've done to make things right. I've done it and it lifts that weight off it conscience. Just my life experience
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Congratulations, whatever you have to do, Recovery is worth it. I'm really enjoying Russell Brand's book "Recovery: Freedom from Our Addictions." I'm listening to the Audio book read by the author when I work out. ODAT I attend meetings regularly, pray & meditate everyday, read some recovery literature everyday, hang out with other people seeking recovery, stay involved in sponsorship, and service work to my local community(homegroup, phoneline). Live the 12 steps. Just what I do.
Ace VenturaThat’s awesome, dude. A lotta men are too prideful to seek therapy. It’s great that you’re willing to take such big steps to work on improving yourself. Change is good, but too many people are afraid of it
Being Ready, knowing how too and willingness are huge factors and does play a huge role, just as crazy as having a fear of success is a reality for many. Yup, the fear of change. It boils down to just being ready and being sick of tired of being sick