posted Fri, 03/30/2012 - 05:33
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Why does it seem that only the young guys get bashed for cycling early? I know its not ONLY us but damn iv seen older gentlmen on hear that have no build or are either so fat you cant even see any muscuolar defenition yet they hardly ever get anything but let a young guy, even one with muscular definition post something and 9 times out of ten hell get bashed or made fun of. I know sometimes its needed to keep REALLY YOUNG and REAL NOOBS from possibly fucking up but every one of us???... Just something iv noticed take it how you want.
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AnonI ve had enough ..and mr animal can take a 24 hour break ;-)
irishpride79IRISH HEARS MUSIC IN THE BACKGROUND "another one bites the dust*
If you aren't a kid (under 25) why do posts where kids get flammed bother you and why are you getting passive aggressive about being called a kid yourself? This is a good clean dispute. You posted here because you wanted answers. Well you got them! You don't like what you hear so you fold and resort to childish tactics? This is nothing more than constructive criticism which you asked for. Adults take it on the chin and admit when someone else's point makes more sense.
SOooo the basic argument hear is that MOST young guys that come on here ask stupid questions, wanna run stupid amounts of gear and, have no REAL base so you guys get so used to it you treat all of the the same and that ALOT of older guys "need" trt/hrt so that they can make a decent dent in training!?! Im sorry i cant agree with the latter especially from what i see at my local gym and from here. MANY old guys i see at my gym have NO fucking clue what there doing and the only ones that do are the ones you can visibly tell that they KNOW because their bodys show it. I believe this is a very biased place to be having this conversation so ill drop it. Enjoy your day gentlmen. ;)
My man, this isn't YOUR GYM! This is eroids! The guys here are on TRT and if they don't already know what there doing, they're damn sure researching! Your argument is tasteless and pointless. The two (young and old) don't have anything to do with each other. Your reason is vanity, theirs is health!
Look kid... first of all THIS ISN'T A BB SITE! There are a ton of them out there that are very sport specific so feel free to roam there if you want... The MAIN problem with the youngsters are that they are lazy and undisciplined. You can train and research (and talk shit) all you want but you can't fight biology and BIOLOGY SAYS you kids have enough natty to make steady gains ON YOUR OWN. And YES if you are turning to AAS BEFORE you max out your natural gains YOU ARE LAZY AND UNDISCIPLINED!
my.02
I am by far NOT the biggest guy on the FORUM (but I could could probably fuck most of you up) ; ) nor do I want to be... Do you know why? GOALS! Everybody's goals here aren't to compete. THIS is what makes Eroids the BEST board out there. There is strength in diversity.
HAHA Kid^^ Man you know nothing about me or my life so id advise you to hop the fuck off my dick wether your a mod or not. I was very respectful in my argument and havent said anything to be viewed otherwise so id appreciate some respect, for my respect.
Wow, I missed all the fun and grrrl got to hit the button before me : (
and looks like all the points have been made so I guess thats a wrap
You're a 20 or 21 year old kid who has a hard time keeping it up for his girlfriend... Don't ask my how I know... oh... wait... you can't
sgtstedankoRegardless of your age little boy, you're not yet thinking like a man, brother... You have to earn loyalty & respect. Nothing is given to you. Act like you deserve them. Dedicate yourself.
irishpride79Haha bozo....have a nice vacation knuckle head....tell the fellas at BB.COM Irish says hello!
Iv been very respectful and virtually the only person on my side of this argument. If he sees fit to ban me then there is nothing i can do.
irishpride79Telln a mod to hop off ya genitalia is not very respectful in my book young man! lil thing called respect and manners goes,a long way ; )
You're getting all hot and bothered about being called kid. Why?
sgtstedankoBIG FUCKING SIGH! Wait til you grow up, young man. You're in for a rude awakening! Read the comments again. This time take a step back, & really try to take an unbiased viewpoint...
Grow up??? As i stated for the gentlemen above you know nothing of me or my life so you to can fuck off. Iv worked since i was fourteen, own my own home, am married, and proudly set in my career iv grown up alot faster than most so id appreciate not being attacked personally. i didnt ask you to come on MY thread and add your .02 cents so if you dont like what i have to say you can simply... fuck off.
sgtstedankoIs that the problem? growing up too fast? Did you miss out on childhood? Did mommy not hug you enough : ( grow up. Thunk like a man. YOUR THREAD is on an open forum. Maybe you should go yell @ your kids; if you can't handle a different opinion. Being a man has nothing to do with an age #. Grow up. You need to change your mindset. For your family.
Anonmost of the older guys come here and already have done their research.. of course this is a biased conversation.. lol.. what did you expect really we are talking in generalizations because it fits MOST cases.. what do the guys at your gym have to do with the price of tea in china.. ?
There's a reason the older guys you describe ,with no muscle definition or training experience are here. I'm assuming based on what I've seen here and on other boards that these guys (most) are put on TRT. Why are they on TRT? The same reason they (some) look the way they do. Their natural test production is either way down or non existent. Why can't those older gentlemen have a higher quality of life? What's wrong with them looking into compounds that are derived from the prescription they are getting? If they are going to be on anyway, why not take full advantage or at least learn all they can about it? I don't see any reason for any of the guys on TRT to get flammed the way the kids do!
As for the youngins, you have no business attempting it. Most have zero experience with training or AAS (by zero I mean the ever famous "I been training off and on"). Your natural test production is at its peak as stated below. Most of them want to get big quick because it looks cool. They don't care about the risks, health concerns or anything of that nature. They are looking for beach bodies because summer is coming. So when a young guy starts a post that says "my first cycle, tren, halo, test" they're gettin flammed and rightfully so. Even if it's a test only it should be discouraged unless there's a medical reason. I started at 26 and looking back , THAT WAS TOO EARLY!!! So if the young bucks are posting up a first cycle and want us to encourage it, you are sadly mistaken. If you're gonna do it anyway then the vets will at least steer you in the right direction but you shouldn't be doing it! I think they just want us to tell them what they want to hear. "Yeah , sure, run 500mg tren with 1000mg test. No problem"! It ain't happening. Leave the old guys out of it. My $0.02
Ok,.......I've said this before,.......so I'll repeat myself.
The best way to get steroid laws changed (and drive a wedge in the door) is NOT by 100,000 Body Builders, marching down Pennsylvennia Ave yelling "We're Here and We're On Gear", Yes, it would get headlines!!!, but nothing would change. Now, if you send 10,000 grey haired men to Washington, to twist arms of Congressmen in back offices and hallways and you will see results.
sgtstedankoboom ! I'm not powerful enough to give out the big booms, yet. But, I'm sure our resident gorilla in the mist big T, would agree that's boom worthy.
Thank you brother! I'm learning. Lol
I haven't seen tread around lately. He cool?
Not seen raider lately either!!
I used to speak to RaiderRott everyday. Hope he's ok. A fellow member of the leather fists society
sgtstedankoFar as I know... Family stuff. He was on here earlier
I do understand both sides of the argument. I think the main thing is what frankie said about natty test. ALSO, I know there are asome people that are 20 or so that lifted throughout high school, so say, 4-6 years of some serious lifting, but that's with hard partying on the weekend, fucked up diets, or even only lifting on seasson for whatever sport they played
I think the main argument from the older guys has a lot to do with that. Many of the older guys feel they have "paid their dues" which is going through many plateaus, didn't drink for a few months, made sure they slept and ate good, before they did any roid.
I think we should respect some of the older dudes as they can look back and say, I wish I did it differently, and tell us what would have helped themso we don't have to suffer any gains or struggles that can appear.
With all this being said, the only bashing I really see is a kid coming in here saying, im 20, I weigh 125lbs. Been lifting hard for 6 months and want to blow up.
Never have I saw say a 22 year old who said he weighs 225, lifted throughout highschool and college and is looking for a boost, get shut down. Get what I mean?
I don't go to no stinkin gym,.............but then again, when a lot of the people here are 1/2 to 1/3 of my age ..............
ETA: I'm just here for the Test,........and if my joints ever start hurting Deca.
I understand and its a sound arguement but take my experience for example. Iv made great gains especially since i got REALLY serious about competeing in the last year or so yet before this cycle i was on a 4 month natty bulk trying to surpass my natty limits. This was not a shit bulk it wasent shit training(guys way older and younger come to me for training advice) i know a little somethin about training and nutrition(not it all but enough) from studying to be a certified trainer and from countless hours of research. Yet even at my age and only been doing this for a little over 2 years, during that 4 months i barely gained 13 pounds and some was fat yet in the first week of my cycle i put on 8 pounds and iv leaned out alot. Im in my 5th week now and iv never been larger. I wish to compete and make something of myself in this sport yet if i hadnt started cycling now i doubt id even hit 223(where i am now) by the end of the year. I got off a little during this rant but you get the jist. I understand MOST young guys are just lazy but those of us who arent dont want to get hell all the time when you wont give hell to the older guys who clearly dont need gear either.
Frankiehow old are
Ill PM you i dont feel like catching any personal bashing from anyone.
Frankiebecasue why your young your natrual hormones are at there highest and there is no need to replace them with synthectic hormones (steroids) the older you get the less of these hormones your body produces .
The older guy who has less natural homones than a younger is at alot less risk from lets say "fucking there natural production up"
a young 20 yo male can make great gains from a good diet and a good lifting routeen as his natural test will be at its peak (in most cases) now if he injects steroids at 20 yo all that natty test production will shut down just becasue he wants to inject something his body is already produceing at a rate that can yeild great gains?? sounds dumb right?
when he comes of that cycle his hpta will take a good while to recover and in most cases all gains lost and this leads to depresion and a list as long as my arm of low test sides leading to the user jumping back on cycle leading to abuse and cycle after cycle and in turn this leads to a permanent shut down HPTA hence no natural test propduction= HORMONE REPLACEMENT THEROPY AT A YONG AGE
mintoOld guys are bitter they look crap and are having a mid life crisis trying to get big to find an old woman coz there wife divocred them due to thier sad bodybuilding lifestyle lol,
they wish they had started erlier so they could have a good body that could be enjoyed and accepted at a young age, not an old man peedo lol
sgtstedankoLook douchebag. I tell you what, brother. I've got much respect for someone who dedicates their life to something. Especially a brutally hard lifestyle like bodybuilding! It's too bad that you little kids will never know what hard gains & forced reps really are. All the gear in the world will never make you a man. Grow up kids. How's about you try to work hard. Start putting in the hard work that needed to become men. & then we'll talk. P.s. the guys like you always cry themselves to sleep 1st week of basic. & I'd rather have men like Viking in front of me than you. Being a man is about. Loyalty, honor, integrity, duty, respect, personal courage, selfless service. & sacrifice. Not necessarily in that order ;') now get off my lawn!
Thank you sarge! i would be proud to do that for a guy like yourself
Spoken like a true undisciplned, impatient disrespectful youngster (which I notice YOU don't have ANY stats, which is the usual "tell" that you are probably too young to be playing with AAS)
...and you need to ask why the youngsters get bashed??
AnonI see he earned himself a nice black tag..
sgtstedankoDamnit guys. I just spent like 10 minutes typing on my phone, & now he'll never learn respect for his elders ; (
Eh, still felt good : )
Anonyes considering I used your stick in another thread ;-)
sgtstedankoI'll bet. Yeah, that kinda power has to be corrupting : ) there's like 3 dumb & dumber'rs? That I'd ban right now, if I could...
Anonoh he can still read it, he just can't respond. you don't have to be a member to read what's up in the general forums
sgtstedankoOk good : )
LOL i am not bitter and dont look like crap!
Does that make me the exception to your rule ???
leeboybut are you a peedo.....? (NO HOMO)
Somebody must think i am bro! i just got a thumbs down for that comment LOL.
Old men need love too,...........just don't get to close (or behind me).
+2
Thankyou brother i am on my way back to the cycles section its safer in there LOL.
They have learned (or are learning) not to fuck with old men in here. ...............We don't fight fair. LOL
LOL yeah your right brother! what they fail to realise in a lot of occasions is that we have the power of hindsight and are only trying to help out at the end of the day,i have fucked up big style in the past,luckily nothing too serious but still would not like anybody to fall down the same hole if i could help out in any way,dosent bug me too much on here there are plenty more that appreciate advice than them that dont.
sgtstedankoWell, for me its like this. The young kids are doing this for a shortcut. 99% aren't dedicated enough, to go about hard work any other way. To break through the mental & physical part of natty 1st. To get their diet/regime on dial 1st. It's natural selection. There's plenty of info here on site alone, if they don't read it. Fuck them. As little kids, They have high enough natural test to reach & surpass any goals that they set. They just need to go about the right way 1st. Older MEN might actually need the testosterone to better their quality of life, brother. Some might be in need of trt, etc. In summary: little kids, not done growing, just looking for a quick replacement for hard work & dedication. Men: have a slowing down, if not @ a standstill production of test already. Need the medicine to better their quality of life. & more often than not, have the patience & dedication needed. They as actual men, have a much different mindset & approach to life than little kids.