Cutting cycle for an older gentlemen.
Im about to start training my friends boss and he wants to lose the gut hes gained over the last few years but not get much bigger, He eats relativly correctly and trains hard, He already has a great base because he used to be a monster we just want to shed off some fat. He is on HRT and has Test e c and some eq. He asked me to write him out a cycle and tell him anything he needs extra so i wanted to ask you guys. I was thinking of having him run the test at around 300 a week just to keep some test in his system and run the eq at 400 a week for around 16-20 weeks and make adjustments as we see how his body reacts. I have no experience with T3 or Clen so i wont be using any on him until i atleast try it myself and he drinks and has for a long time so im not sure i want to get him on any kind of oral like Winstrol due to me not being sure how healthy his liver is. What do you guys think? I dont know his stats so i cant provide them. Hes somewhere around 40+ yrs old.
Test at 300wkly 1-20 (remember hes on HRT so PCT isnt needed.)
EQ at 400wkly 1-20 (Adjust depending on how the fats coming off)
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I have to agree with the peeps... Clean diet and cardio. if he's a 'drinker' than he's probably fucked with the gut. If he's serious (and not a 'serious' drinker) ask him if he'd consider giving up the drinkypoos for 6-8 wks. Once he see's the MARKED changes/results (and there will be) he may grasp the lifestyle change
tread-mDiet has to change if he is serious. With a little carb manipulation and a standard test run maybe bouncing in aromasin low dose to keep the competition for test low he could achieve here no problem. I see a me here in that i had trained and cycles all my life and the gut just blew up on me in my mid 30's. I was big and had definition and it happened so slow I just didn't notice it I guess. Think much about it given I had never had the issue. I think in my mind I was not even having a problem...until I got back from vacation and looked at the pics and asked my wife who the fat bastard rubbing her ass was in this one pic? Then I'm like don't play me like that playa beisides all that this dudes package is smaller than mine! So I took charge brother the day we got the pics, lost 32 pounds in 30 days, reset all the clocks and never looked back. Thats 10 or 12 yrs ago and you kinda need that wake up call and he likely does too. Why drag this shit out is my thought. You pop on 500 split weekly test for a 15 weeker and work the stair climber and training along with a serious diet change and some carb manipulation and you don't even recognize this guy in 4 weeks. You can spread out the misery or knock its dick in the dirt and I'm a dick knocker...wait, no I'm not but you know what I mean...no homo. Get this guy in my PM box brother and I'll fix his wagon with a little drill sarge chat ! Lol seriously brother I have a new saying that in my view says it all when someone tells me diet is spot on....."go stand naked in front of the mirror, thats what your diet is spot on for...happy with it?"
sgtstedankoI'm a Dick knocker as well. No Gimp. I knock some poor newbs Dick in the dirt daily & like it, but hey, that's my style. Good story, brother. Hellz yeah! Ain't nothing a little proper vita/mineral, diet, testosterone & some good old fashioned hard blowing can't fix!
leeboyIf he can't devote is life to his diet etc. and is a bit adventures he needs to run something like this weekly:
250mg test, keep it low just to keep libido etc. much better compounds below.
700mg tren ace, the more the better and much greater le-way on diet.
through in mast aswell at around 500mg per week, can mitigate the sides from tren.
T3 starting at 25mcg working up to 50 or 75mcg, suppresses the prolactin from tren and up-regulates the bodys metabolism.
Can also use Tbol at 60 - 80 per day or anavar at 100mg although not required.
Legit HGH ran at least 5iu per day the more the better, massive le-way on diet at over 10iu per day.
Run the above for at least 8 weeks, gains in muscle, loss in fat without diet or cardio are guaranteed. I've seen this in the flesh a good mate of mine ran a similar cycle and the recomp was unbelievable! He was quite rich and just took as much as he could, looked incredible and his after cycle bloods came back spot on.
I would't drink much if at all on the above even if the orals are omitted.
Sounds like you've been reading my posts.
Grrrl is on the money here bro!
IMO you have done the thing posting your plan but this thing needs to be thought out and done absolutly correct so keep an open mind to what is suggested here!!!
Anonok first off Your experience with T3/clen will not he his experience.
second relatively clean isn't going to get him ANY good results and with EQ which I DO NOT recommend it will be even more difficult for him to eat clean if not imposssible.. another point here is that for a first cycle anything other than test is questionable. He does not know how he reacts to a blast of test and I never never never recommend a stack for a first cycle nor do I ever recommend EQ for the inexperienced user.
third he drinks he can forget about losing that gut ever if he doesn't quit drinking
Fourth point. He is at risk for GYNO... carrying extra fat and I don't see any ancillaries listed there
Fifth, He has probably plateaud with his training and needs to change it up.. same with his "relatively" clean diet...
Sixth, NO T3 or CLEN WHILE HE IS DRINKING PERIOD
sorry I blew this up but you did ask for an opinion..
First id like to say thanks for your opinion and im not trying to be disrespectful but i disagree on your "all the way or no way" attitude. Relatively clean can make a world of difference over eating "shit" in your diet. Thanks for reminding me of EQs massive ability to ramp your appetite i totally forgot about that because im always trying to eat everything in sight so its not a side to me. lol I thought i made it clear above he had used gear before but i guess not and i wouldnt even consider EQ if he hadnt. I myself can atest to the benefits that quiting drinking has had on my training but you cant tell me that he will NEVER because there are hundreds of thousands of weekend warriors that do it all the time(arnold) ;). And yes i have ancillaries if gyno sides start to appear, sorry i didnt clarify. Like i said thanks but the guy has started his steps in the right direction so you never know he could go (all the way" ;) Dont keel me GRRRL i kno you an be agressive.
Anonlol.. no I might skin you alive..(I am hungry too -it is the eq and diet ;=) I figured you pretty much already had it together when I saw your response to sgt down there after I posted. It wasn't clear that he had done cycles before. I do think that if he can't control his drinking and cut way back and or elminate it then even if the above proposed cycle does work he'll put it back on anyway.. I highly suggest that he change up his diet and training as the body is highly adaptable and needs to be caught off guard.
I will let sarge do his thing here! he was first here.
What i will say bro is definatly get him to quit drinking if he is going to run that stack and PLEASE do your homework on thyroid compounds BIG TIME bro that shit is lethal if used without great care!!!!.
I know bro, I study everything before i use it and im definetly not telling someone else to if i havent.
sgtstedankoI just skimmed this, I'll come back later & add a little (if needed) running is your best bet. Sprinting if possible. Fast right away, after body weight squats jumping jacks, etc to warm up. Read this see if there amything of use to you.
http://www.eroids.com/forum/training-nutrition-diet/workout-exercise/bet...
Bro, i appreciate all that and i know you probably have to explain alot of that to newbs but i wasent asking for training and nutritional advice, all that is second nature to me now i was asking for cycle advice. The gentlmen ill be training has used gear before and yes hes trying to take an easier approach than dieting and running his ass off. He owns and runs a resturant so he has very little time to devote(hr a day at most. All i want is comformation that the cycle above is legit for the goals stated above. Thanks anyways!!
sgtstedankoPeeps are right on dial again, here. Thanks, it's nice to be appreciated. I wrote that up for all the guys that came on here looking to burn fat, and thought something there might help him. No one knows everything. I certainly don't : ) Honestly, this looks like a bad idea to me to. Sorry for underestimating you, sir. If he is not completely committed, to being healthy, eating properly, putting in the hard work needed. What's the fucking point in the 1st place. I'm sorry, but I know of no other way, than to go right to my limits, only then slowing down taking it easier. I feel there will be too much time later in life (or when i'm dead) to take it easy. If he can get the desired results eating relatively well, taking an easier approach. Burning FAT without running. I'd really like to know about it. How does one expect to burn any decent amount of fat w/a half assed diet. & taking an easier approach to working out. You and I both know that it's about the intensity you train at, not the amount of time, yada, yada, yada... IMHO, there is only one way to live your life. Make the time, Come hard, like your fucking life depends on it. Every single day, or give up & die. No excuses, ever. No drinky on cycle : ( Make him do it right, or not at all. You're training him to better himself, after all. I think we really need HIS stats, dude. You say he's cycled before. How long ago, what did he cycle, what was his regime like then, etc, etc, etc. Good base means what 6'3 250. 5'10 190. etc? BF? Really do need as much info as possible, so anyone that wants to try to help can make an informed decision. That being said, again this looks like a bad idea to me, if he hasn't cycled in a couple years. I'd say start over, brother. Test only, w/extra of everything. Cover all of your bases at 1.5 times. I know you don't need any help from me, but everyone on here has knowledge to offer, so don't be so quick to disregard what is said, or brought to the training table. I am constantly learning. Or at least trying to. You are the one in charge of him bettering himself, and i assume he's paying you. I would personally tell him. I will train you one way. The right way. (Your) WAY! It's not about the money, it's about a desired result. Just because he pays you, doesn't mean he owns you. You work for him to help him reach his desired goals. There is only the right way. Get him to write each of his goals down. Then make your plan of attack. I know you don't need any help, but this is what my 71 year old dad does beforehand. Every Time... But, he has the same mindset as I do. He's on all low natty test, but I think I've got him convinced : )
Before his runs, & Leg workouts days; Do 24 ea of body weight squats, lunges, jump lunges, alternating legs. Jump squats (when his knees feel up to it), then hold a plank for 1-2 min (if he can't hold a plank for 1 minute, I can see why taking an easier approach would be absolutely necessary, at least until he can). Rest for up to 5 min, before 2 mile runs as well.
I omitted the 5 mile runs...
Once per month Do 1 set of pushups, chinups, & dips to absolute failure; then run 3 miles. Always Try to beat prev time...
If I were you, I'd have him work on tempo exercises, and stabilizing muscle 1st, before really getting to work.
IMO, He'll be in a much better position to get the most from your 1st cycle back, as stabilizing muscles will be stronger. Those stabilizers are going to be supporting those bigger ones that his body won't be used to having again.
At the end of 1-2 month/s of mixing in the above. Do this once before you start your cycle program.
Monday & Wednesday Write Everything reps/sets/etc Down!
Pushups max reps in 60 seconds
Sit Ups max reps in 60 seconds
Pullups max reps in 60 seconds
Run 2 miles at least at an 8 min pace per.
After cycling, when you are all done with PCT, or back on trt. Have him Do the max reps/run test again. Always remember to have your client write everything down... IMHO, there is no better way to really burn fat than Running/biking, etc, etc, etc.
Sorry, I couldn't help myself : ( Good luck, brother. I sincerely hope everything works out for him. Keep us informed...
Thanks man, I dont mean to come off as close minded i just meant i have most of that kind of thing down I just wanted cycle confromation. Hes been training pretty hard for the last 3 months he just isnt seein the results he wants so my wife reccomended that i help him. Due to his past experience he can look at me an tell i know little somethin about gear he just didnt know what he should be taking and at what levels to burn fat and not get to much bigger. Well see how it goes.
sgtstedankoCool. Sounds good. Imo his best bet would be proper vita/minerals, 4-500 per test only & some good cardio. Keep us informed & good luck. Make it fun for. Make it like a total body/mind medicine. Everyday he gets better! I look forward to hearing of his progress...