posted Tue, 08/28/2012 - 07:11
2013
2nd Cycle- A few questions about extra supplements.
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OK iv started my 2nd cycle this week. 22 in 2 days, 6'0 227pds. 1st(real) cycle will be put below along with current cycle. I dont want any "to young" or any comments like that only helpful advice. THANKS!
Basically what im wanting to know is besides a Multi-vit, Liv-52, and Milk Thistle what other supplements/aids do you guys typically feel are a necesity to take along with your cycle especially in my case with a D-bol kicker.
1st cycle
Test P 100mg ED wks 1-4 13-14
Test E 300mgs E3d wks 1-12
Test Suspension periodically for pwo 100mgs occasionally
Standard PCT and Aro use
Gained around 20pds
2nd Cycle
Test E 670mgs wks 1-12
D-bol 50mgs ED wks 1-4
Standard Nolva Clomid PCT with Aro on hand.
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tread-mI sort of skimmed the thread and if it here great, if not then think about your prostate health .as men we have periodic prostate swelling without gear, with gear much more so. From this day until your funeral you need a good prostate supp such as a super beta prostate or a saw pallmetto complex etc for dht causing swelling. So many only worry about that for the hairline but truly if you have hyperplasia at 30 or even 40 or 50, its going to suck. Of course that likely lends itself to a predisposition to prostate cancer. This is discussed faaaar too little. I use many many suppps but I'll give you what I believe to be the core. Your liver support you mention, prostate support not mentioned, fish oil, coq10 fine too but fish oil likely much more important for heart health but take both, turmeric, glucosamine chondroitin, pottasium, daily vitamin and if you wish I'll take you through my supp drawer slot by slot....prostate brother, listen now or we can talk about your ed in the years to come. Might pull my prostate thread in the general.
Thanks tread! Helpful as always!!
zewiX2.. You should have one closet full of gear, and another full of sups.
I agree with you there are things we don't talk about. How important just your daily vitamins are. Sure there is more you should do.. But at least take you daily vitamins twice a day.
And do research on other things you should add to protect your liver and prostate and heart.
Along with these supplements amino acids should be taken. They help with nitrogen retention and releasing growth factors. IMO amino acids are a huge help and very under rated.
cdaddy7Here's an option to fast if u insist on the dbol, drop the dose of test bc dbol will more than compensate
Week 1 - 12 Test E @ 500mg/week split dose
Week 1 - 4 Dbol @ 50mg/day (Day 1-3 @ 25mg/day and then 50mg) liver supports daily
Week 8 - 12 Test Prop @ 100mg EOD
AI of your choice on deck bc you r gonna need it with the dbol more than likely. Aromasin 12.5 or Arimidex 0.25mg
PCT is 15 days after last test injection
Clomid. 100/100/50/50
Nolva. 40/40/20/20
Very simple to follow. If you are going to do it, then do it right. At the end of the day it's your body and it's your choice and consequence pending the outcome
zewiX2 he want mass and bulk he should run this!!!
The only thing i would add, is he should look into Tbol since it can be ran for 6 weeks, and doesn't carry that water weight he will get..
Bro, thanks for the help but im not asking for any of that, that was already the plan minus the prop(because i dont have any yet or it would already be in me) Im asking STRICTLY for advice on SUPPLEMENTS and VITAMINS people take while on cycle for better health or to "help" combat some sides. My last cycle was amazing and ran very smooth but i didnt take any vitamins or extra supplements so im trying to get a list up to get everything i need. Im no trying to come off as i dont want advice for my cycle but thats not what i posted this thread for because iv already started and dont plan on changing it aslong as i see good results.
cdaddy7Just tryn to help bro. I just think you should drop back the test. You have both the right liver supps. U need a good multi vit with a strong stress complex with c and b's, red yeast rice supp can help with bp issues and co q10 for heart and energy
THANKS BRO! I appreciate the help and didnt mean to sound close minded because i soak up all i can and am steady trying to learn more it just seems everytime i post people tend to not answer my ? and start talking about something different like my age.... BUt thanks again man, My family has BP issues so ill definetly be getting that rice supp.
zewiWell he was trying to help and you shot him in the Back..
You said yourself you want mass and bulk..
Well his cycle kills your cycle. I think you should listen.
Tread lightly my brother. Your coming off a little strong.
cdaddy7Monitor ur bp I promise it will elevate if u are not taking anything with Dbol . The AI helps but if u r prone then u might have have issues and need a med to help. Take ur bp daily during your Dbol run to play it safe
Dbol will puff you up like Michelin man. Odd odd Mg of test. Second REAL cycle should be
1-4 prop 100
1-12 test e 500....yes again
Pick a finisher that meets your goals. Rewrite that cycle imo
Iv had etched abs i could careless if i puff up im trying to put on as much mass as i can. AN no way i would drop my test any lower than 600 without a reason(cruise or tren cycle) AN yea i REALLY wanted to run the prop again but i already had everything i needed to start so i did and decided id just pick some up through the cycle if i wanted to later. The reason for the 670 is i have test 300 and i wanted to go a little higher than last time so i raised it by one line on the pin.
Let me clarify again im asking for additives not a cycle rewrite. I have plenty of time to make more cycles id like to try them all eventually.
zewiYeah cause making it 670 will be so much better. That's some broke logic.
How is that broke logic? I used 600 with good results and wanted to go a little higher, i could have jumped way higher but felt a small increase would be fine.
zewiMore doesn't always mean better. -----"i could have jumped way higher but felt a small increase would be fine." really like how high 1000mg????
The higher the testthe more sides are possible. From 600 to 670 you really wont get an benefit--the don't call TEST E or C 250 for no reason..
They also call it test e 300 for a reason oh and 400.... But your really trying to tell me that the extra 2100mgs of test i get in on this cycle from going up only 70mgs isnt going to matter? That my friend is broken logic.... AN yes i could have jumped it up to 800 or even 1000 but that would have been stupid on my part for a second cycle. Your knowledgeable bro i can see that from reading your posts and threads but you CAN NOT tell me i wont get some added benefit from raising it 70mgs, Hell i thought most people would commend me for not jumping the gun and raising it even more like alot of people tend to.. Thanks for your concern anyways man.
zewiI guess they way i said it and the way i meant it came out wrong.. Lucky my boys have my back below.
cdaddy7My man that label has nothing to do with the dosing. Pharmaceutical grade Test is only manufactured in 200mg/ml. They don't make it higher bc what we use gear for is not medically therapeutic in those 300 and 400 doses. The reason ugl produce it high to give u more gear for your money. It's a selling point too. You wouldn't just take a handful of tylenol without reading the directions. I know that u think more is better but It's not in the case of steroids. You increase the dose u increase the sides. Very simple as that. It's like DBOL, what's the difference in 50mg vs 100mg? Nothing but nasty sides with estro, limp noodle syndrome and major liver toxicity. U follow me? Juice smart and train and diet hard and u will get the results you seek without compromising your body and health
I understand that bro, I only went up 70mgs from what i did on my first cycle i thought since i was only running 2 compounds(just like last time) then that would be the small increase instead of adding a compound like deca or eq. I mean everyone said start basic and go up from there little by little... I seen virtually no sides from running 600 last time, just sweats and boners which is to be expected... so i thought i tiny increase in gear along with a massive food increase would translate to more muscle...
Good point!..youve all probably read in these forums that i never usually thesedays go over 800mgs of test in any cycle... most times i drop it back mid cycle to control test bloat .. sweet spot for me is around 750/800 anymore is wasted.
zewigood logic to a point.. More doesn't always mean better and i'm fine with you moving to 670 IMO i find it a waste, yes you have more test, that's great.. With long esters and a small move like that i just don't see the benefit.
IMO if 600 is working you stay on it until you don't gain--
I never understood, why people keep moving up--fuck if that was the case Viking should be taking 3000mg of test e a week..
cdaddy7I know but u said it was your second cycle. I think if you just hang at 600 and eat your ass off with clean calories and required protein u will do just as well
I see what you mean, I guess i just dont want to take the chance of my gains stalling out is why i have that mantality, Ill keep it at 6 and see how things go!! Appreciate the help and patience bro!!!
cdaddy7You will b just fine my man and I'm glad ur rational thinkn kick back in. I have your best interest in mind I promise. You have plenty of cycles left in you to acclimate IF you do the novice ones right. One step at a time and you will reach your goal without comprising you
Animal always does his own thing bro... lol... been here before brother,we patched him up a few months back,looks like he is having another ride on the devils bull.
HEY HEY!!! Patch me up?!?! All i needed was advice and i took all of it and factored it in, and you actually kept me off juice for a few more months but i felt i was ready and i wont argue with the great results i had.... I came here for Vettys like you to "help" guide me not make my decisions for me. And honestly bro i try and take all the information i can from you guys because i know you know more than i do but i know what my goal is and its different then alot of peoples on here, we spoke about that, Whats smart for thier goals may not be best for mine... i dont know bro i just thank you for all your help anyways even if you think i dont listen....
Hey we are cool bro right!... i seem to remember a a/bomb problem am i right or wrong... all i am saying here is you are strong minded and have to be dealt with hammer instead of a feather lmfao!... glad you got good results last time bro lets do it again this time without wasting any gear right!
Naa i never did any A-bombs but i was wanting to until i started talking to you and seen it wasent in my best intrest at the moment and yea id think my WHOLE family would agree with you on the hammer part. lmao were allllll good bro!!!!
Good shit bro!..now lets do this thing!... have you seen treads advice up top thats some stuff you need to know right there...
cdaddy7I see that now big poppa Vike . I was just offering one more lifeline so i can say I did all I could and now his choice becomes his consequence
I know that bro..i have your back
cdaddy7That's an honor to me bro!!!! Glad we are on the same team
didnt you see bfg's post about banning any logic or rational thought into new cycles. tren for everyone.