posted Wed, 12/02/2015 - 06:11
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GH Rx in USA? - Distal Bicep Reattachment
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I just had my distal bicep tendon reattached and wondering if anyone has successfully received an Rx for recovery? I think I'm going to talk about it to the surgeon, but have read there are some legal blockades in the US for doctors prescribing it. Thanks
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Some other choices look like BPC-157 and/or TB500. As a note this injury happened on cycle for me and i dont plan to come off until the planned time. Currently I'm on 800mg/wk of sus and 100mg A-drol ED for the next six weeks, and yes I'm taking all necessary precautions with the oral usinf Liv52+TUDCA. i also have some NPP I may add now, since I've read that nandrolone promotes callogen synthesis as well. Probably add around 350mg/wk.
There are trials in the US for bone density and the use of HGH following spine surgery, so its not a locked door. Ill try and find to link later this evening
Also, have you looked in to TB500
Please post if you can. Yes, I have been looking at TB500 also. Seems like there is limited research on it as well.
Cant find the one I was on about but I've drop boxed some HGH tendon articles, hip fracture and some HGH peripheral stuff
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/tl7g19z8hub1p5j/AAD3Pi6dWoSlZAZcmONP5LWUa?dl=0
There's no current medical indication for Gh in regards to recovering from post operative/ post traumatic injuries. There's limited research on it. No doctor (that cares about his license) is going to prescribe it for that purpose.
Ya youre right theres about a 99% chance no doc will since its not be approved for that. But you wanna know what makes zero sense, 100s, if not 1000s of medications are prescribed for off label use. I take 3 meds for this migraines/headache disorder I have, ones for blood pressure, its a shitty bp drug but it works great for helping these headaches not through lowering bp, my bp is already low genetically, they literally have no idea how it works, second is for lithium, a mood stabalizer for bi polar disorder, again they have no idea how it helps these headaches but that and the bp meds are first line treatment, and third is a med for altitude sickness. Theyre all prescrbied off label and they have zero idea of how they stop the headaches, they just laugh when i ask and say we dont know but atleast they help. Atleast we have some idea of how HGH helps recovery from injuries.
:)... i am taking you to lobby congress....lol...nice info
To give you some reasoning and insight behind prescribing Meds like propranolol and acetazolamide for headaches (assuming you're talking about these; I actually didn't know lithium was used off label for HA that's crazy to me)... Although we're not sure how these work, there is good research behind its efficacy. Usually Double blind randomized control trials. The gold standard in research for Meds. That's what the medical literature is missing with gh. And like I stated below, even if we were able to come up with funding for that research, at this point in time with big pharma and the pricetag on gh, it's not likely it would be considered as a treatment for that reason.
I actually havent tried propranolol, ill save that for when my brain finds a way around my current regime. I take verapamil, calcium channel blocker for Bp, its a shitty BP drug but it works wonders for cluster headahces, and lithium, both are frontline treatmeants for clusterheadaches, buut neither are fda approved for its use. These are much different then migraines much more severe, and then yes acetazolamide, its for altitute sickness but it also works well for intercranial hypertension. We dont know if i have that yet, i have to get a lumbar puncture for them to confirm that. But ya youre right there have been many studies done on these medications for their offlabel use and theyve proven to be effective.
No thanks at all to "Big Brother". There's no shortage of evidence to promote interest in such studies if it wasn't for repressiveness of the regulatory system. But I digest...
I think you mean digress. Autocorrect is a bitch lol. But I'm not following you.
Theoretically, Gh is of interest to promote healing in bone and cartilage repair. The literature I've read on the bone-to-tendon interface however is actually counterintuitive when thinking of Gh this way. Although it does promote collagen type III synthesis, the limited studies show that it does not significantly increase healing time, and one of the studies I read showed the group of individuals receiving Gh actually had a lower load bearing capacity increasing injury. Albeit these studies are extremely small and limited, in time treated and doses used, there wasn't anything intriguing enough to pursue I suppose.
Regardless of all that, it's not economically feasible to script out pharm Gh for this. It would probably be at best a marginal increase in healing time compared to normal rest and physical therapy protocols. My opinion anyways. A lot of this has to do with limited blood flow to the area. Beyond discussing here.
I apologize if I went too deep into the science of it. I don't mean any disrespect confusing anyone. But from a medical standpoint, right now, there's no groundbreaking research to really support it's use for healing.
No I meant digest, in place of digress, because I'm a clown. All this one hand typing sucks. Thanks for the thorough reply, and definitely no need to apologize.
Lol gotcha bro I appreciate that humour
bigmurphYou're correct you shouldn't apologize for using the science I believe alot of people on eroids need to back up there claims with science.
I did alot of research when I tore my bicep and the truth is hgh does help your body heal faster but there is no proof out there thst it actually makes tendons heal better then they normally would.
Tb-500 is actually believed to be the better alternative when it comes to tendons but still it is a case by case opinion on if it works.
+1 for adding science to backup claims
Theres been alot of members here who have used it, and on other forums and their doctors were amazed on how quickly they recovered. GH is the reason a football player can rupture a disc in his back or get some other serious injury and be back on the field in 6 weeks, that and with a great doc to do the surgery. While the rest of us get the same injury and are told were stuck with it for life.
It's incredible the amount of people on here that accredit their Gh use to a quicker recovery. Definitely cant brush that off. Wish there could be an anonymous case series on it. It would be interesting look at the data, compared to the general population.
I've read a lot of personal experiences associated with it as well as a couple pubmed studies suggesting promising results.
Post these, I wonder if I've seen them.
bigmurphI'm right now recovering from a ruptured bicep surgery and I approached my orthopedic surgeon who is treating me and he didn't want to have anything to do with it I even asked him if he wouldn't prescribe it if he would atleast reccomended it and what he thought if it helped he didn't say anything he just looked at me like he couldn't believe I was even asking he didn't have a problem prescribing a good amount of pain killers but it seemed taboo to bring up hgh for helping recovery.
That sounds about typical. Pain killers are nice but just mask the trauma. It'd be nice if they'd prescribe something to help speed recovery.
bigmurphThat's what I wanted I would have loved to be able to get some hgh from the doc.