+ 8 The danger of orals
Lets have a real conversation about a real man today, I have been just as guilty as most here about the abuse of oral AAS. I have cycled orals for years and years and years, I have used them like most have but as we get older our bodies do not heal as well at least mine doesn't. guys I may catch a lot of flack but I have changed my views on guys running oral steroids I can honestly say the rewards do not out way the risks because lets look at it most orals you loose any gains you get.
Dbol... loose it once stopped its water weight
anadrol. the same
tbol..... same
halo.... loose the strength gained once stoped
winstrol.. you can achieve the same effect with a hard core diet
anvar... if there is any oral that may be worth using its mild is this one when cutting cause it does help to preserve lean muscle tissue.
but honestly due to my use over many many years I am a prime example of what oral AAS can do to your liver. so folks that think they wanna run a all oral cycle or run the super toxic orals for 8-10 weeks SMH at you your not invincible we are not invincible. I will just stick with my injectable compounds and orals that's not liver toxic only ... just a wake up call
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Your post doesn't say but hints towards liver issues? If that's the case I'm sorry to hear brother. I hope you can get your values back within normal range. Were your liver issues 100% aas related? Most of the liver issues I've heard of are with people with hep, abuse NSAIDs, alcohol, recreational drugs, etc.
Personally, I'd be reluctant to compete without orals. I can attest to the addition of (and usually stacking) orals like halotestin, anavar, winstrol and even Anadrol the last 4-6 weeks yields a much harder and fuller physique. Not to mention orals pre workout generally help my workouts while on a strict diet.
That said good post. Awareness is key.
important post for the new guys/ younger fellas, well said.
orals do have a place imo, just like tren does, deca does etc, if we want to be safe, lets be honest orals are bad, they not only wreak havok on the liver- most speculated side, but kidneys, prosatae, pancreas, heart, shit theres not much they dont affect, especially when abused.
being real, i love my anadrol, but i dont abuse it, i do howevere strategicly place it in a cycle at certain times, the "pulsing" factor which has got more and more popular is best approach.
i usually go 3 on 2 off week wise, i smashe my ancillaries though, and i wont run it more than twice a
year.
people dont forget- its not just liver they mess up, its everything, be careful.
short esthered test like prop is cheaper and safer, keep more gains too/
at this point orals are counter productive for me for the most part. orals kill my appetite. not worth it for me. the only time i will ever run orals is the last few weeks before a show, and even then its very low doses of orals. maybe 40mg anavar and 50mg winny.
good post.
Good luck on getting your liver fixed. That's some scarry stuff bro. Hope everything turns out fine
IfbbmoeIt is too bad the kids in my gym taking anadrol without test or dbol without test or winstrol without test aren't going to see this post because it is so true. Sure injecting can be tiresome if you use a propionate but if you use a long ester and rotate your injection spots iu shouldn't really need to worry about scar tissue and your liver and kidneys will thank you. I have a friend who drank alcohol while on a strong oral and ended up having kidney failure and he pissed blood for a week so I was like hell no I'm not going that route.
Thanks for the heads up .. Never ran orals b4 always been skeptical on them and the bad rep that comes with them on toxicity.. But it's always good to know long term effects for anything you do .. And from someone who's ran them as u have just threw any itch on taking them .. Thanks bro ! Stay safe and cont to grow
I'll +2 this post all day. Seems like everyone and their dog abuses the shit out of orals these days. Nothing like a 16 year old kid running halo for pre-workout. Lol
Good post brudda.
LOL! a 16 year old running halotestin for a preworkout!!!! I'm sorry but that's hilarious shit.
Agreed. The younger people figuring "if it ain't a needle it cant be that bad, right?! Or, "even though people say wait till over 25 to use AAS, I'm sure I could get away with slipping in some orals without much harm". Haha, wrong, wrong, wrong! Although a lot of these drugs and other recreational orals on the market these days are promoted and made in inviting/non threatening colors and shapes.
I don't think horror stories of oral abuse vs needle abuse aren't as prevalent either.
Thanks for the post!
Yep.. Couldn't agree more. Lots of good oils out there. Not worth the health risks.
I still got like 600 blue hearts and some Russian dbol from a while back. Haven't use them in about 1 and half year or more. Exactly my thoughts when you say not worth using them FOR ME!
firebossIve got a buddy doing atbol only cycle right now.lol ive told him and offered to give him the shot.lol hes scared of the needle.im pretty much down to winstrol a couple times a year.only 30mgs for a month before vacations.no doubt your right.my stash is all cyp and npp.
I agree. I have been done with the toxic assault on my own body for some time now. Anavar is the only methylated oral I will use. And that too will be sparingly..
Orals are fast acting and intense. Strength comes fast, (can be injury prone fast) weight gain comes fast. All of the sides for myself come just as fast, elevated bp, insane heartburn, lethargy. Never had that sense of well being on any of them. Anavar is the only one that doesn't effect my being in a negative way.
They lost their flare when I realized as fast as the gains come, they go. I never really held onto gains from orals. For me I would have to continue use indefinitely, which my dumbass has in the past. That was a big part that led me into not wanting to use them anymore.
Injectables are the big block v8...orals are the shots of nitrous...theres a reason shots of nitrous aren't prolonged...the engine would spit bolts and throw pistons and burn up. That is orals in my eyes. Im perfectly fine being strong with out the hyper tension, gradually progressing so as to give the body time to adapt and solidify the gains that do come.
Halo gave you added strength brother, but at your stature wont negate your power! Stay healthy and knuckles!
Well put! I've never understood the fascination with orals when it's not exactly a secret that they're toxic as hell and any gains you get quickly dissipate the minute you stop taking them, so I've always been a bit astounded as to why they remain so popular.
boom right there is a smart man
As we talked about in pm I really don't think not using orals is a big deal in terms of positive maintainable effects. With the exception of halo I don't believe there's anything you can't recreate with an injectable. I don't use them a lot personally anyway.
None of us are getting any younger. Right call not taking any risks.
we are deff not taking any risk
Dbol and anadrol will add pure muscle to me, anadrol i dont bloat dbol i do but under the water im left with pure muscle that comes very fast. But im with you on this one. Im not messing with orals anymore. Im all about short esters as a kicker now, all orals do is murder my appetite so i cant grow. But I couldnt give two shits about liver toxcity, the livers tough and will repair itself unless you do some and run crazy doses for a very long peroid of time or youre genetically prone to having a weak liver. But the KIDNEYS dont repair like the liver does. How often do you here of bbs dying from liver failure? Rarely, but how often do you hear them dying from Kidney failure? All the fucking time its either that or the heart. Everyone talks about how theyre toxic to the liver but the liver will repair unless you really really push it,on the other hand the kidneys will but only to a small degree. Not to mention the effects they have on ones lipid profile, which will further fuck up the kidneys.
many years of use will damage the liver where its not able to repair its self im done with the orals period
I agree with that decision, looking at source lists these days everything that once was only oral can now be found in injectable non-alkylated form........ thats a good element in my eyes, if they work as well or not will be debatable im sure but its something i will never be able to find out due to running nothing but test for the foreseeable future
firebossHolly smokes.the big guru guys are on this one.
Great post bro.
I been on vacation a while what happen to your liver bro?
It's fried lol doctors are gonna fix me up tho
its fried lol but doctors said they will get me fixed. over many many years of liver enzymes being elevated has caused damage. just don't wanna see young guys make the same mistake
Were you not feeling good or something, what made you see a doc?
no my doc had been watching them pulled them a few weeks ago they was up from the last time pulled them again a week later and Monday again they was even higher .. they know whats wrong he said once they do there stuff I will be fine
I wish you the best and a speedy recovery brother. I've always tried to only use mild doses of oral compounds and I only cycle once a year and even my lipid count is slightly out of wack. Nothing to be really concerned about but defiantly something to keep an eye on. I only use anavar now as a kickstart to my cycles. Good post and thanks for taking the time to post this.