posted Fri, 04/17/2015 - 07:24
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+ 42 Mass Spec: Balkan Test E 250 from Ashop
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Balkan Test E 250
Lot #: 009
Actual content: 162.9mg/ml
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StevebIn order to prove his gear is good or not you have to resort to injecting rabbits, wow.
all drugs are tested on rabits at some point. This is a experiment conducted by a profesor and a team of students
U have a ton of human lab rabbits at your figures. Why would you need a test on rabbits? That is just crazy.
This experiment was done by UNIVERSITY. You will see why they choosed rabits
StevebChoose rabbits
Thanx
StevebThanks
Here I was lazy. I would improve fast if people would correct me all the time
StevebThat's a lot to do
In the 1950's. Sounds like they're state of the art!!!
Experiment started in 2014 end of the year and partially finished few days ago. It wil be published on pubmed
Any info for the labs you've posted would be excellent. I'd actually like to use this lab since I've had not so good service with SIMEC (they seem to be extremely busy)
benzylbenzoate is labeled on the Test E that Jello had tested. Your lab assay states it is not present.
https://www.eroids.com/sites/default/files/gearpic/69655/Balkan.jpg
https://www.eroids.com/sites/default/files/gearpic/13392/file-page1.jpg
As far as the accusations.....MDMA....making $ off of testing, other forums...waaaadaaafuuu???...well....I would hope everyone sees this is just a "jab" from ya.
Find a member/ source I've taken $ from and I'll kiss your MOLDOVA ass
First I was ANGUS
Then it was just students doing the testing
Then this testing method wasn't legit
Etc
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When both samples are done (unlabeled Test P) I'll post those up.
Maybe the test is on point or slightly off like SIMEC.ch (The lab you stand by MS/HPLC)
Maybe it will shed some light on the bad BP Test E blood work that's been posted here also.
https://www.eroids.com/pics/sigmanordaject-lab-analysis
Seems off by >7-9mg/mL
Still close. Could also be how I sent the samples which I have an email from Dr. A....S.... stating that after he received the samples and inspected them
These test using LC/MS/MS seem more accurate for the SIGMA sample:
https://www.eroids.com/pics/sigma-nandro-deca-300tren-enan-200
https://www.eroids.com/pics/sigma-tren-acemast-prop
But I guess this lab is wrong also
Really all I can do since I have no "stake" in the testing game other than sharing some of the testing I have done.
MDMA?
LABMAX.ca
SteroidCheck.com
I suggest using an unopened vial or glass vial to send sample(s) for an accurate analysis
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hard for me to answer ton of nonsens you posted. But labmax is very variable and inacurate. Please run a search on this forum for "labmax by pistolPete" keywords labmax balkanpharmaceuticals watson. You will see conclusions
Steroidcheck is a fake company and I will prove trust me. curios how that lab test mdma if they do not have license..i am sure they do not have license because they lie too much. How they are importing in their country mdma ?even for testing this require licenses. IMO your lab is phantom one is just a team of students who can access a MS and want to make money with bad analyses
Use simec.ch seems the only lab knowing what is doing
Are you high on MDMA? You sure like talking about it. This lab does not test MDMA. You are confused with something else.
LABMAX.ca
They do MassSpec testing
Labmax is useless IMO. Read people posts. If they do mass testing for quantitative determination they are not good at all.
Be honest. You see that this lab is not able to provide a full report. WTF man you dont see the truth ?
Look for post by pistolpete regarding labmax. A page on internet is easy to do. If they have HPLC they can test on HPLC. Lets see results
IT IS HARD TO MAKE UP WEBPAGES ? DO THEY HAVE LICENSE TO TEST ? Do they have import authorizationa for the samples sent from states ? Do they use pharmacopeeia methods to test drugs ? If not they need to publish their methods and validations for them. Also when they give you resulta for tests ask them to provide all pages and calculations
I think the only thing else to say it the test results. Anything else will just create the back and forth. After the labs come back that should be proof. If this lab was correct it will not be good enough for the source but it should be good enough for eroids.
if he test again on MS, results will be trash. I have two users sending products to simec.ch and that results will decide
https://www.eroids.com/sites/default/files/gearpic/69655/Balkan.jpg
I already posted this 5 times. You get old labels ( they have authirization to use old labels untill stock is over. You can take a vial and smell you will see that there is not any smell of solvent
Oh we smell something....that's for sure!
It would be illegal for my Compound Pharmacy to send me an incorrect labeled vial
I guess they do things different in MOLDOVA
Hell, they sell Tren in the Pharmacies too
You are taking this to personal level. Yes a small mistake can be accepted with authirozation if is about a inactive excipient. You have nonideea about nothing but u have big mouth
Finnaly what is the problem here ? With or without bb what is the problem. Dont try to move attention from subject pls
BA is what disinfects not BB.
I am not expert but I know that both. This part does not interest me I have enough with lab testing
Liar
Crook
Thief
Retarded
And the list goes on.....all this thrown at me coming from an international illegal steroid distributor
I'm taking it to a personal level because yo shit is mislabeled?
Cmon mane
You come here with fake analyses and despite all evidences you continue to deny that they are fake. You continue to atack me for no reasons. You fight like you own steroidcheck
Sorry for bad words but when I know I double test test each batch and i do great efforts to be top I get crazy when I see such smear campaigns. You will see till end
Thanks Fina. Always level headed with your posts and replies. I got carried away. Must be the MDMA. @_@
"THEY SEE ME ROLLIN.....DAY HAY TEEN....."
This explain a lot. Please come back when you are sober and you can comunicate corectly
And no.....I will not accept your FR request
Corectly?
I wanted to give you profesor email because you requested. You are funny now
Good Times
What's up JT? I don't mean to burden you or detract from any information already given, but this is actually a subject I know a lot about. I haven't read through all 15+ pages of comments, but I have a BSc in Biochemistry and am almost finished with a BSc in Biomedical engineering. Through my studies I've taken multiple Analytical Chemistry courses and have actually used a Gas Chromatogram and Mass Spectrometer. First off, yes it is possible to use this method to measure concentration of any organic compound, which testosterone esters are. It's actually quite simple as long as the analysis method used was QUANTITATIVE, and not just qualitative, which the documents state. The analyte is dissolved in a gas (helium in this situation) and forced through a "column" which is packed with polar compounds. This causes different compounds to separate throughout with consideration to their polarity. As long as the standard used to compare the unknown sample (BP test e) was truly a source which contained 250mg/mL test e (+ or - 5% error) then the analysis should be correct. What ends up happening is the peaks on the unknown analysis plot are compared to the known analysis plot. The X-Axis (horizontal) represents the identity of the compound, or specifically the mass to charge ratio which every known organic molecule has a specified value, and the Y-axis (vertical) is the abundance of the analyzed ions. In order to mathematically calculate the concentration of each ion (compound present such as test e, oils, etc...) a simple integration is performed or the area under each peak is calculated. Through this methodology one can come to a conclusion of the concentration of any sample that is soluble in the carrier gas.
Conclusion: As long as the standard used to calibrate/compare the sample was test enth with a concentration of 250mg/mL (+/- 12.5mg/mL) then any scientific community would accept the concentration conclusion with 95% certainty. If you could have the lab identify their standard then there would be no question to the lab results.
I hope this helps. I do not have any bias in this conversation. I have not done an AAS cycle, I am a member of this forum for peptide/SARM research. This is just a subject I have experience with.
Easy to understand Source from University of California at Davis (UC Davis): Sorry if i can't post links.
http://chemwiki.ucdavis.edu/Analytical_Chemistry/Analytical_Chemistry_2....
Boman's comments are plausible. I agree with him. Who I don't agree with is the "analyst", who dissolved the solution of testosterone enanthate in toluene; added an internal standard to that; and came up with a quantification result, based on a single injection and the equipment's data library. He simply doesn't have those documents that he claims he doesn't want to show. You may say that just by reading his comments about his 9 pages "simplified" work. He should have had a lot more documents, if he had really done these analyses. There can be no half measures, in the process of analysis. Either you do everything right and fully, or you don't do it at all.
AnonHell yeah man I really appreciate the explanation, I almost completely understand what you are saying lol. I will get with the lab again and ask specifically about the standard used, I think I mentioned it to them but I will reiterate the significance to make sure they understand.
I will check out the links, Im learning about this slowly but surely. You really helped out man thank you very much
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkThey need to post not only info about standard ( there should be a standard for raw and few standards for impurities A B and C so they can post the code from each bottle of standard so we can check ) but they need to post full reports and calculations. If not then they should admit that their labs are useless. I understand that they analyse hard drugs on other forums imagine if they do fake quantitative analyse and give lower numbers and someone take more than is needed. I really do not want to spend my time but I should go on those forums and warn users about their inability to analyse corectly drugs. I should stay there and analyse for users their analyses and show where are wrong. I really do not want to spend my time with this maybe they will be honest and admit this analyse is wrong. They can make users wrongfully take double doses and have a accident. Just my opinion
now for this analyse if they would post( but they do not have ) full report we can show where they were wrong because here they are wrong. They come with fake excuses
Good info thanks
AnonResponse from lab regarding most recent concerns by Ashop:
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.Permalink1.
10 pages is not much at all. I would even say it is very little. You may find decent reports on the internet, with chromatograms and calculations, of 80 pages and more for each analysis. We may give you links to such tests. What you post, on the other hand, is pseudo-scientific data. You posted chromatograms with 6 peaks. We've explained you what kind of peaks those are. Please post your full report and calculations, and we will show you where you've done wrong. You say nobody is interested in 9 pages. As far as I can see, the only person that is not interested it's you. You have something to hide, that's why you vehemently refuse to post your calculations.
2.
You say that "detailing your results would allow other people to simply copy your methods and profit by settling up the entire testing procedures". These testing methods and procedures are not a secret. They are routing analyses. They are widely used by professionals all over the world. We post dozens of such results and calculations yearly. There are thousands other full results posted on the internet. Nobody would steal that from you. Any decent laboratory would easily repeat the analyses, without even reading your results.
3.
You are not an accredited laboratory; you do not use European pharmacopeia standards; you can't prove the correctness of your results. All you do is fool your "happy custumers"
Hope is clear now that they are bs. They are unable to provide corect analyses and they do not answer to professor emails directly probably they are shame to tell him this bs
AnonStill waiting on their more specific reply regarding the coupon code.
AnonResponse from Balkan about UPIC check:
So some people probably checked the UPIC the same day I posted the pic of the vial.
I also asked the following questions, which they did not respond to:
I have resent the questions, as well as asking about the different formats for the lot numbers.
Holy shit what happened to this thread? It is almost like people are trying to work together. So glad to see this.
AnonWait, what? What happened? I blacked out lol
We are workin shit out, stay tuned
This is the professor answer for the steroidcheck.com team. Please note that they avoid direct answer to the professor emails. Here is the professor reply, we expect a quick clarification:
"1. Your arguments about “simplifying” the presentation of results so that could be “understandable for users” are not plausible, and not at all professional. It does not show any proof that you have done the correct analysis.
2. Bragging on in the internet is an easy thing to do. On the other hand, if you do have the methods and the complete results, please be so kind to post them (chromatograms, calculations etc.).
3. The standard must have passed the process of standardization, if it is not pharmacopeic. Please post proof of passing this process. What did you use as standard, for the initial standardization?
4. You cannot use the internal standard alone. The internal standard must be added to the sample and to the external standard.
5. If you insist that you are right, and not a trolling con artist, please provide us with the information and complete results."
rocketballzSorry but I have to reply to this regarding the simplified reporting. ITS TRUE. In my business we do the same thing. IF the customer wants a detailed, more academic report them the fee for this is higher so to say it isnt plausible is incorrect. It happens all day long in American, and foreign, business. Shorter more concise reporting of the results or analysis is not only professional it takes into account the READER's knowledge, or lack thereof. Most businesses don't operate the same way as an academic "professor" would. IF one wants the more detailed report one must pay for it. That's all.
AnonThank you for explaining that
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkrocketballzYW. Dude I don't know how you've kept yoir cool while we all wait for this to play out. Talk about a pro! Keep grinding bro...the truth will be revealed.