No response from lab yet, I have received a response from simec and have sent a copy of the email to ashop. I have one sealed vial of Balkan Test E that I am giving up for testing. Ashop has agreed to this lab for testing. A copy of the email response from simec:
Dear Mr ********
we are able to analyse your sample on identity and content of Testosterone Enanthate by HPLC.
The price for one sample is 290.- Euro.
Just send us your full address (data is kept confidential), then we prepare an invoice for pre-payment.
As soon as the money and the sample arrived, we start the analyses (typical analyses time is currently about 1-3 weeks).
If there are any further questions, just tell me!
Best regards
Andreas Sigrist
I will post a pic tonight or tomorrow of my gear from ashop that I have in my current stock. All gear can be verified through my past pics that I have had it in my possession for some time and it preceeds this issue.
Ashop has agreed to pay for the testing at the simec.ch lab. I will contact them through email and copy ashop and a MOD (who has agreed) so that they are both privy to all of the discussions. Once I have tests back, I will post them (either good or bad).
Guys I see some of you still talking about doing MS. Please understand MS is not a good machine for testing steroids and error rate is random. Plus those tests are done by some students that have too little knowledge for testing pharmaceuticals and they want only to make money. Please trust I have nothing against testing but good testing with good practice. For moment there is a lab www.simec.ch that is doing testing according to international standards with HPLC and also with spectofotometer with bigger error range but still smaller than MS because they use it prof. I am happy if one is doing testing with this company, I already told BeastMode5085 to send his stuff from me to them and I will pay. But if some of you will still continue with MS i will consider that they have bad intentions since MS was proved bad and their methods bad. Just look for those guys who posted labs here how many problems they have with their analyse and until now they are not able to answer their issues. I will be happy if you use a good lab for testing bc I will get rid of this stress
Coming from an outside objective view, any data needs to be accessible to any third party,and not be stored on this site. I'm sorry, naps sent meoreganon sust to test recently, and I realized someone could just photoshop someone else's bloods
If I did it no one would know.
I think this thread is dead In water as for now.
Ashop you could send out. Gear to get bloods like the organ sust, but like I said results can be tampered with or forged in just a little while even still I feel like naps death with the criticism best here. Blessed me with 30 amps in exchange for bloods
Third party off this site. Is the only proof I can accept, straight from tester, not a member or mods
I am sending gear from my stash that I got from ashop a while back. I am going to post a pic in the gear section and I will let the majority choose what i send in just so everyone knows I possess the gear and it will be based on what you all select so its not something pre-selected.
I have had great success with ashop but like you all, I want the truth. I figured this would be a good way. I have no ill will towards anyone. I am copying ashop and a MOD on all of the emails to the testing facilities so they both know whats going on. Ashop has agreed to pay for one oil and one oral test sample to be sent in
Even with all the test results I've posted up, I see your point and agree with ya. Perfect example is the recent Mass Spec's this source has posted up. They are real test results.....but, nothing shows its from anything he is selling now or on a promo, etc.
Pay close attention to the name of the testing lab...."ULIM".
There's another source that posted something similar (Tren E) when there was an issue with his product line.
Yea thanks man.
In science we trust, yet verify.
Like I was saying, without direct access to the third party outside of this site... Testing is not dependable.
It is possible Ashop is telling the truth, that this lab isn't great, and a number of factors could give bad results. To try to be proactive, he is not only paying for other members test but has been very active in this thread.
We need to give Ashop the benefit of the doubt, and we have to thank you guys for doing some tests.
I see everyone involved is trying to do the right thing for the community
I ask because if ester is accounted for, the balkan product isn't underdosed but rather ester wasn't accounted for. Like someone once said. Pharma doesn't take in account for ester. They just make a product to get ur numbers at certain level.
If that's true then balkan is more close to pharm grade. If pharmacy doesn't account for ester or purity like standard ug.
Lol.......I am so done after these last results. I understand this source's concerns,etc...but there has been 2 other sources that have had "label" issues. They handled the situation like a Boss. This source....pitiful...what an embarrassment.
Funny we talked about this before it happened. It went like I thought it would except you are taking it further by backing up the results. No matter what the results turn out you will make a difference. It is going to be a awesome thing.
To sum it all up I wait answers for 2 days maybe from that laboratory to the questions below. Anyway right now Jellotrip gave me their contact finally and my professor will contact them tommorow and once we get to some conclusion I will post them here. Since Jellotrip gave me their contact I start to believe he is not a liar and maybe just the victim of a new team like Angus. He should had their contact posted along with labs from begining
just to remember problems found at the moment with those analyses are:
1. Sample preparation. The sample has been prepared from a dissolution in toluene of the injectable solution. In order for one to prove the absence of impurities in the solvent he should at first inject the solvent, then the sample solution and then the solution of toluene, which hasn't been done. 2. Second statement. The quantitation should be done in comparison to the external standard, which hasn't been done
***The internal standard is used when the device is not working in a stable way. The internal standard must be added to the sample and to the external standard.
In this very case, only the internal standard has been used, which is wrong. 3. The results can not be considered reliable if the sample has been tested only once. One should test the samples repeatedly. Only when the results do not differ from each other, they can be considered reliable. 4. You have detected different components of the oil that is used as an excipient, and you consider them to be testosterone impurities. The given components have a liniar structure and contain no impurities of testosterone with steroid structure. In conclusion. 1. Testosterone E and the oil components have been identified, yet not quatified. 2. The analysis has been done incorrectly, without complying wih the pharmacopeia requirements
This test looks about right actually.
Pharm test is different.
This looks like the standard ug accident (source didn't add more powder to account for ester)
If your actually getting around 70mg test e per supposed 100mg dosed test e because of ester,this seems near legit.
Most good ug ull see score a lil higher than label or at actual ester amount. (Because raw purity and ester)
Just add a lil more. Get your raws tested...
(You are ug, not human grade like it was said 5 years ago)
If your actually getting around 70mg test e per supposed 100mg dosed test e because of ester,this seems near legit.
The test shows the amount of Test E, that includes the ester. You mean you would get 70mg of Test per 100mg of Test E. If the test showed 162.9mg of Test with no ester for every 250mg of Test E, then I would agree it would be close to being accurately dosed.
Dear Sir/Madam,
We do not use HPLC for steroid testing because do not have an HPLC. Also if we want to accurately identify the steroids we should then have an HPLC/MS (LC/MS).
And this device is a far more expensive than an GC/MS.
So this is the main reason for us to choose GC/MS also there is far more research on steroids using GC/MS so it is easier to develop methods for GC/MS.
Furthermore GC/MS is perfectly suitable to quantitatively analyze steroids.
I hope this answers your questions.
Kind regards,
The Steroid Check Analysis Team
One thing that is a lie and sum it all. A HPLC is 50K while a MS is over 100K
You can look for prices on internet.
Now seems your steroid team are liars ....
Also ask them to publish their methods they are talking about. All methods for testing steroids are published in usps. Ask them to show one method based on MS
Simec.ch is doing tests on HPLC. Did you wondered why ?
I'm not accusing you of anything. You don't produce the products, but you don't allow for the slightest possibility that there might be a problem with a product you sell from time to time. No company is 100% right on quality control all the time, even legit pharmaceutical companies in the US get things wrong on occasion. Do you personally test all your products? No, because it wouldn't make sense. But to sit here defiant to the fact that mistakes can and will happen is ridiculous.
Lol I'm not faking anything, I'm posting exactly what I receive. Like I said I can provide all emails to a mod. Do I sit here and call everything you post a fake? Can you prove I have faked anything?
I have been asking for everything you requested so far. I am waiting on their response. Its called being transparent, you might want to try it sometime.
At least they are answering my emails, unlike Balkan who can't even get back to me to verify any of my questions.
If he has a problem with the lab then he can contact them directly. Its when he tries to call me out on a personal level saying I have faked anything I have posted here or that I am trying to smear him or scam him that is the issue. None of which he can prove and it is completely unfounded.
now that you gave me contact of the lab I understand is not you playing games. If you would put this contact of the lab along with labtests I would never say a word to you. I tough you are the lab along with HailRazor. Now is clear
I agree but on the flipside you called him out with a lab test that could be wrong. This is like saying he is a scammer and he is just returning fire. I know it is not your intention but put yourself in his shoes. Giving him the lab info should solve his attack on you. You deserve a +100karma if you see this to
A end that forces the end of this conversation.
No, thank you.....you've been extremely adult, level headed.
Jellotrip - Proactive
#1 Source - Reactive
AnonThanks and I appreciate all your help. This is actually kinda fun lol
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkSounds good. Can not wait to see if they are full of shit or on the money. This is my second favorite thread. lol
AnonAt least its something, really want to figure this out
StevebWhat's your first favorite thread?
mine
AnonNo response from lab yet, I have received a response from simec and have sent a copy of the email to ashop. I have one sealed vial of Balkan Test E that I am giving up for testing. Ashop has agreed to this lab for testing. A copy of the email response from simec:
I will post a pic tonight or tomorrow of my gear from ashop that I have in my current stock. All gear can be verified through my past pics that I have had it in my possession for some time and it preceeds this issue.
Ashop has agreed to pay for the testing at the simec.ch lab. I will contact them through email and copy ashop and a MOD (who has agreed) so that they are both privy to all of the discussions. Once I have tests back, I will post them (either good or bad).
just sent testing inquiry to lab with source and mod cc'd
Glad to see progress finally lol
Guys I see some of you still talking about doing MS. Please understand MS is not a good machine for testing steroids and error rate is random. Plus those tests are done by some students that have too little knowledge for testing pharmaceuticals and they want only to make money. Please trust I have nothing against testing but good testing with good practice. For moment there is a lab www.simec.ch that is doing testing according to international standards with HPLC and also with spectofotometer with bigger error range but still smaller than MS because they use it prof. I am happy if one is doing testing with this company, I already told BeastMode5085 to send his stuff from me to them and I will pay. But if some of you will still continue with MS i will consider that they have bad intentions since MS was proved bad and their methods bad. Just look for those guys who posted labs here how many problems they have with their analyse and until now they are not able to answer their issues. I will be happy if you use a good lab for testing bc I will get rid of this stress
U.S. Lab #1 (Pharmacy/DEA License)
GC/MS
https://www.eroids.com/sites/default/files/gearpic/21800/image_42.jpg
U.S. Lab #2/Simec (Swiss Lab)
LC/MS/MS - MS/HPLC
https://www.eroids.com/sites/default/files/gearpic/21800/image_60.jpg
These are not "ANGUS" "Student" type of testing methods
We are contributing members to eRoids trying to be proactive
We do not do the testing
We send samples, pay for the testing, and post the results
LabMax.ca is associated with SteroidCheck.com
It seems LabMax.ca does testing, sales, etc (HPLC,GC/MS)
Can someone do mas specs and stuff on a sample of watson or depo?
I really wanna know if ester is accounted for in terms of label.
If it's tests similar because of ester, things might be off because of it.
I'm going to send you a PM. I've got some old oil samples that were tested GC/MS. Want some insight from ya.
I sent 2 samples (Compound Pharma Test P). One to this lab and another to the US Lab to compare. Sent as Test P but mg/mL not labeled.
If you are doing tests on MS results will be like roullete
Coming from an outside objective view, any data needs to be accessible to any third party,and not be stored on this site. I'm sorry, naps sent meoreganon sust to test recently, and I realized someone could just photoshop someone else's bloods
If I did it no one would know.
I think this thread is dead In water as for now.
Ashop you could send out. Gear to get bloods like the organ sust, but like I said results can be tampered with or forged in just a little while even still I feel like naps death with the criticism best here. Blessed me with 30 amps in exchange for bloods
Third party off this site. Is the only proof I can accept, straight from tester, not a member or mods
sumatra
I am sending gear from my stash that I got from ashop a while back. I am going to post a pic in the gear section and I will let the majority choose what i send in just so everyone knows I possess the gear and it will be based on what you all select so its not something pre-selected.
I have had great success with ashop but like you all, I want the truth. I figured this would be a good way. I have no ill will towards anyone. I am copying ashop and a MOD on all of the emails to the testing facilities so they both know whats going on. Ashop has agreed to pay for one oil and one oral test sample to be sent in
Even with all the test results I've posted up, I see your point and agree with ya. Perfect example is the recent Mass Spec's this source has posted up. They are real test results.....but, nothing shows its from anything he is selling now or on a promo, etc.
Pay close attention to the name of the testing lab...."ULIM".
There's another source that posted something similar (Tren E) when there was an issue with his product line.
Yea thanks man.
In science we trust, yet verify.
Like I was saying, without direct access to the third party outside of this site... Testing is not dependable.
It is possible Ashop is telling the truth, that this lab isn't great, and a number of factors could give bad results. To try to be proactive, he is not only paying for other members test but has been very active in this thread.
We need to give Ashop the benefit of the doubt, and we have to thank you guys for doing some tests.
I see everyone involved is trying to do the right thing for the community
So you'll find out soon?
I ask because if ester is accounted for, the balkan product isn't underdosed but rather ester wasn't accounted for. Like someone once said. Pharma doesn't take in account for ester. They just make a product to get ur numbers at certain level.
If that's true then balkan is more close to pharm grade. If pharmacy doesn't account for ester or purity like standard ug.
Both samples already sent. We'll see what happens.
How long should it take to get results?
It depends on what's ahead of my sample (s). 7-10 days maybe....give or take.
Can not wait.
Lol.......I am so done after these last results. I understand this source's concerns,etc...but there has been 2 other sources that have had "label" issues. They handled the situation like a Boss. This source....pitiful...what an embarrassment.
Funny we talked about this before it happened. It went like I thought it would except you are taking it further by backing up the results. No matter what the results turn out you will make a difference. It is going to be a awesome thing.
To sum it all up I wait answers for 2 days maybe from that laboratory to the questions below. Anyway right now Jellotrip gave me their contact finally and my professor will contact them tommorow and once we get to some conclusion I will post them here. Since Jellotrip gave me their contact I start to believe he is not a liar and maybe just the victim of a new team like Angus. He should had their contact posted along with labs from begining
just to remember problems found at the moment with those analyses are:
1. Sample preparation. The sample has been prepared from a dissolution in toluene of the injectable solution. In order for one to prove the absence of impurities in the solvent he should at first inject the solvent, then the sample solution and then the solution of toluene, which hasn't been done. 2. Second statement. The quantitation should be done in comparison to the external standard, which hasn't been done
***The internal standard is used when the device is not working in a stable way. The internal standard must be added to the sample and to the external standard.
In this very case, only the internal standard has been used, which is wrong. 3. The results can not be considered reliable if the sample has been tested only once. One should test the samples repeatedly. Only when the results do not differ from each other, they can be considered reliable. 4. You have detected different components of the oil that is used as an excipient, and you consider them to be testosterone impurities. The given components have a liniar structure and contain no impurities of testosterone with steroid structure. In conclusion. 1. Testosterone E and the oil components have been identified, yet not quatified. 2. The analysis has been done incorrectly, without complying wih the pharmacopeia requirements
AnonWell thanks, if I had known thats all you wanted from the start I would have avoided all this mess
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.Permalinkthink the real mess is how easy it is to make a fake lab report and throw it up fooling members.
I'm beating a dead horse, but we need a resource to view lab tests externally.
Also Ashop has a great argument with the whole linear impurities thing.
AnonYeah I understand his position. We are working things out and will be getting more testing done
This test looks about right actually.
Pharm test is different.
This looks like the standard ug accident (source didn't add more powder to account for ester)
If your actually getting around 70mg test e per supposed 100mg dosed test e because of ester,this seems near legit.
Most good ug ull see score a lil higher than label or at actual ester amount. (Because raw purity and ester)
Just add a lil more. Get your raws tested...
(You are ug, not human grade like it was said 5 years ago)
AnonThe test shows the amount of Test E, that includes the ester. You mean you would get 70mg of Test per 100mg of Test E. If the test showed 162.9mg of Test with no ester for every 250mg of Test E, then I would agree it would be close to being accurately dosed.
AnonResponse from lab:
One thing that is a lie and sum it all. A HPLC is 50K while a MS is over 100K
You can look for prices on internet.
Now seems your steroid team are liars ....
Also ask them to publish their methods they are talking about. All methods for testing steroids are published in usps. Ask them to show one method based on MS
Simec.ch is doing tests on HPLC. Did you wondered why ?
Please stop faking emails
Knock it off with the accusations. Jello has been trying his best to figure all of this out.
MS is double priced and you need a extra room for azot generators and oxygen generators all those adding to price. That email is a lie.
Also what real lab will call their team Steroid Checking team.?
So I am the one accused and nobody was able to stand behind their labs posted.
AnonI'm not accusing you of anything. You don't produce the products, but you don't allow for the slightest possibility that there might be a problem with a product you sell from time to time. No company is 100% right on quality control all the time, even legit pharmaceutical companies in the US get things wrong on occasion. Do you personally test all your products? No, because it wouldn't make sense. But to sit here defiant to the fact that mistakes can and will happen is ridiculous.
You can defend yourself without calling Jello a liar every 30 seconds. Or any other names for that matter.
OK
AnonLol I'm not faking anything, I'm posting exactly what I receive. Like I said I can provide all emails to a mod. Do I sit here and call everything you post a fake? Can you prove I have faked anything?
Maybe you not but believe me is not green as grass . Ask them to send you methodology of testing steroids please
AnonI have been asking for everything you requested so far. I am waiting on their response. Its called being transparent, you might want to try it sometime.
At least they are answering my emails, unlike Balkan who can't even get back to me to verify any of my questions.
BP is very slow on answering emails.
AnonI see that, I'm sure they are busy. I have no problem waiting for a reply.
Their business is not on internet but they will reply. Today being friday evening maybe monday tuesday
You have laid your cards out. Everything Ashop is saying you need to know he is saying it to the lab not you personally.
AnonIf he has a problem with the lab then he can contact them directly. Its when he tries to call me out on a personal level saying I have faked anything I have posted here or that I am trying to smear him or scam him that is the issue. None of which he can prove and it is completely unfounded.
now that you gave me contact of the lab I understand is not you playing games. If you would put this contact of the lab along with labtests I would never say a word to you. I tough you are the lab along with HailRazor. Now is clear
I agree but on the flipside you called him out with a lab test that could be wrong. This is like saying he is a scammer and he is just returning fire. I know it is not your intention but put yourself in his shoes. Giving him the lab info should solve his attack on you. You deserve a +100karma if you see this to
A end that forces the end of this conversation.