I'm not in your way. You're doing exactly what is fair in this situation.
And yeah I had success with alins stuff. It was my first two cycles many years ago. So I can't bash his products as they helped me even though no testing. But...
A. has discredited any test that comes about which he doesn't agree with.
I get it. And I agree no one defends his products with more intensity than he does. But in my time here I haven't seen him be proven wrong when all smoke clears so forgive me for not jumping in with the torches and pitchforks until we know for sure.
You dont understand do you? You call this test into question, fine. I believe the test is accurate, you do not. So lets get a second opinion, would be an intelligent move right? That way we can confirm or disprove the legitimacy of the first lab. No one one is trying to sneak away.
If a second test confirms the lab I posted, then you are wrong. If a second test disproves the lab I posted, then I was wrong. I am open to the possibility of a flawed test, where you dont seem to be at all. I would like another opinion to confirm the labs.
You really dont get it do you? I want your gear to be accurately dosed, I would buy a shit ton of it. But until I have conclusive proof one way or another I will have to go with whats in front of me.
Ugh! This thread is difficult to even look in on. I don't know who is telling the truth and don't expect to find out anytime soon. If you want to send me a testE and set up the Simec test I would be willing to do that but it may well be easier and faster to have one of our Euro or UK members send it. Maybe Monk will?
This isn't your fault. Contrary to what Ashop thinks I don't believe you meant any harm in this. All you did was mail in a sample for all we know. There is no evidence to suggest otherwise here.
Thanks, like I said I always hope for the best with lab tests. It benefits everyone to find accurately dosed gear. I have nothing to gain either way, at least if it dosed properly I have a good source. Which is really all anyone on here could want.
I have a few other vials of test e from other labs that I can submit as well if it helps ashop not feel like he has been specifically targeted.
I asked pages ago on this thread if there was another lab ashop would be comfortable using for another test. I had no idea this simec.ch place existed but if we can all agree on it and send out another sample then I would be more than happy to help. I have nothing to hide and have not been dishonest in any way.
I doubt. You got products on a promo did not used and sent them to a lab. Then you come with bad results and you fight for them and take them personally. If was not dishonesty then you would send my professor questions to that lab and post here their answers. If you posted some labs stand behind them do not run now like a coward..You are sending samples to another lab now ? I am sure you will tamper samples. You are not a honest guy
You doubt what? Go back and read the thread. Yes I did receive these from a promo, so what? I had no control over the results, I simply posted what they said. Im not fighting with you, and Im certainly not the one taking things personally. Im not mad or upset and Im not attacking you in anyway.
But now once again you want to resort to your bullying and try and provoke me by using words like coward. For what? To get a reaction out of me? Are you just looking for a fight? Its usually the person yelling the loudest that is the most scared with something to hide.
And yes, I will send a sample to another lab, I dont care what your opinion about that is. You have nothing to prove I am being dishonest, because there is nothing.
And typing like this doesn't get your point across any better or make you look scary
not such simec. Send to simec..plus i doubt you are honest anyway and will not tamper samples but if you do i will ask each guy here to send samples to them I will pay and then when results will come you will dissapear like Angus
plus simec.ch is not using MS. Did you wondered why ? If you see they use HPLC then why you fighted against me defending MS ? No good lab will do quantitative tests on MS
For moment if you are honest please ask your lab with MS to posts answers and comments regarding my professor faults found on their results. If you posted /done those labs please be man and come with explanations otherwise admit they are wrong. Do not run away
well if sealed vials are sent then there is no manipulating samples. maybe it can be a request of the lab to state whether the samples were opened or in a sealed vial.
Ok ASHOP. Let's just take a break from all this back n forth. I've got $ to make (headn to a rave) to pay for this $1000+ lab work I'm doing for eRoids.
Maybe the Netherland lab is off. Maybe it's spot on. But rest assure....either way....I will post the results as I've always done my friend.
DO NOT RUN AWAY NOW. For moment if you are honest please ask your lab with MS to posts answers and comments regarding my professor faults found on their results. If you posted /done those labs please be man and come with explanations otherwise admit they are wrong. Do not run away
this guy has been around here for years and does not have an impeccable reputation because he is dishonest and does dishonest things. Hail does nothing but try to be as honest as possible and help the community as much as possible.has done it for years.it is part of his personality, part of his conscience.people's conscience and personalities don't all of a sudden change.especially not because of one test and one person saying he is dishonest.
My products test perfectly to simec so any other results than perfect i will not believe. I do not trust you and thats normal my products are qualitative so is clear you just want to manipulate
I do not discredit you. You discredit you because you can not stand and answer questions why your tests are full of mistakes
then test my products with Simec they test perfectly each time and I will not have headaches.Why you are doing now what you are doing if you have simec God knows
Undestand your labs with MS are not good. If you test for real with Simec then is good
Instead posting more nonsense..who knows how you handled samples sent etc ? please answer basic questions regarding your lab tests.
You posted a bad lab tests that is full of faults
Why you do not answer questions regarding that lab test ?g
Regarding those contacts you list there what is that ? Which one done the tests you posted ? Are you again confused
I heard about labmax and here is a thread on subject
MODS can you ask those guys to answer questions my professor asked them and not hide ? To make a honest debate please answer those questions comments or admit your tests are wrong
sending some samples you or your friend to other labs means you do not trust yourself labs posted plus who can trust more tests done with samples sent by you or your friends ?
You are running a smear campaign and you will lie till death you are wrong.
MS tests on steroids were proved faulty.
Do not take me with I sent to other labs or I am not chemist
You posted some labs please stand behinds your accusations or ask chemists from that lab to come and explain us why you have so many mistakes in that test.
If they done tests they should be able to defend. If not they or you or both are dishonests
Im not answering your professors questions because I cant. Those are not basic questions and I am no expert on this. Im just a person who posted lab results, doesnt make me dishonest.
To me all that says is that gc/ms is completely capable of quantitative analysis in the right parameters. There is more to it Im sure but like I said it will take someone more qualified than me to explain it.
Do you understand what your professor posted? Can you explain it any better than we can? I would love to learn more about this.
There's a "harm reduction" program for that community. I do not follow that lifestyle. It was a comparison to the AAS lifestyle. We as customers need a "harm reduction" program such as that one for MDMA to keep us safe.
Jellotrip and HailRazor. My profesor found your labs faulty and you have here lots of problems that you need to address.
Please address those issues
Here is the professor reply:
1.
A question of sample preparation. Where is the proof that the solvent (toluene) was missing the found components to start with? The solvent injection is missing.
2.
The standards database is used for authenticity. The quantitation has to be made using the calibration mix of standards in different concentrations for the construction of the calibration curve.
3.
One may or may not use the intern standard. It's also called "the tagging method" and it is used when one doesn't have the possibility to strictly control the device factors. When using this method for certain calculations, one should add it to the reference and analysis samples. We may assume that these tests haven't been done because the specters and the chromatograms of the reference mix are missing.
4.
The testing method of single injections is not statistically reliable. One should use at least 3 determinations and calculate the RSD.
5.
Three of the substances found in the sample ? Tricaprilin (mixture of glycerin an caprylic acid), tricaprin (glycerol tricaprate), decanoic acid (capric acid) are oil components. The other 2 substances are some sort of derivatives of the decanoic acid. The standards database shows an 80% coincidence for one of them, while the other one is not shown at all. Anyhow, they are not steroid substances that would show impurities of testosterone.
6.
It's hard to find a logic in the shown results. We have been shown only the initial components and the final components.
7.
We return to the same discussion we had before. The method of MSGC may be applied for product dosage but only if used correctly.
Plus for those who are curios please check here how similar is Jellotrip and HailRazor with Angus and his testing methods. The same way of forging answers analyzes same kind of replies
I see no similarities, those tests from angus are a couple pages that look like Microsoft paint jobs. Your international testing link shows no pictures.
Those guys are attempting to explain shit thats over my head. I dont know why you insist on answers that neither one of us have the knowledge to explain. I have no control over what results the labs send back.
So now you got your professor to ask about the labs and you know I cant answer his concerns off the top of my head so you think I am faking the labs?
I'm not in your way. You're doing exactly what is fair in this situation.
And yeah I had success with alins stuff. It was my first two cycles many years ago. So I can't bash his products as they helped me even though no testing. But...
A. has discredited any test that comes about which he doesn't agree with.
Now it's down to proving the tests.
I'll step out of this as you wish.
I get it. And I agree no one defends his products with more intensity than he does. But in my time here I haven't seen him be proven wrong when all smoke clears so forgive me for not jumping in with the torches and pitchforks until we know for sure.
AnonYou dont understand do you? You call this test into question, fine. I believe the test is accurate, you do not. So lets get a second opinion, would be an intelligent move right? That way we can confirm or disprove the legitimacy of the first lab. No one one is trying to sneak away.
If a second test confirms the lab I posted, then you are wrong. If a second test disproves the lab I posted, then I was wrong. I am open to the possibility of a flawed test, where you dont seem to be at all. I would like another opinion to confirm the labs.
You really dont get it do you? I want your gear to be accurately dosed, I would buy a shit ton of it. But until I have conclusive proof one way or another I will have to go with whats in front of me.
Take a break and go hang out here;
https://www.eroids.com/pics/testosterone-enanthate-250mgml-by-balkan-pha...
P2i2tYes!
Ugh! This thread is difficult to even look in on. I don't know who is telling the truth and don't expect to find out anytime soon. If you want to send me a testE and set up the Simec test I would be willing to do that but it may well be easier and faster to have one of our Euro or UK members send it. Maybe Monk will?
AnonSorry man, I will help with testing however I can.
This isn't your fault. Contrary to what Ashop thinks I don't believe you meant any harm in this. All you did was mail in a sample for all we know. There is no evidence to suggest otherwise here.
AnonThanks, like I said I always hope for the best with lab tests. It benefits everyone to find accurately dosed gear. I have nothing to gain either way, at least if it dosed properly I have a good source. Which is really all anyone on here could want.
I have a few other vials of test e from other labs that I can submit as well if it helps ashop not feel like he has been specifically targeted.
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkEmails, receipts, etc can be provided Pale
Sorry for all the headaches buddy
No apologies necessary. In the end hopefully we can find resolution. Right now we are just basically chasing our tails.
AnonI asked pages ago on this thread if there was another lab ashop would be comfortable using for another test. I had no idea this simec.ch place existed but if we can all agree on it and send out another sample then I would be more than happy to help. I have nothing to hide and have not been dishonest in any way.
I doubt. You got products on a promo did not used and sent them to a lab. Then you come with bad results and you fight for them and take them personally. If was not dishonesty then you would send my professor questions to that lab and post here their answers. If you posted some labs stand behind them do not run now like a coward..You are sending samples to another lab now ? I am sure you will tamper samples. You are not a honest guy
AnonYou doubt what? Go back and read the thread. Yes I did receive these from a promo, so what? I had no control over the results, I simply posted what they said. Im not fighting with you, and Im certainly not the one taking things personally. Im not mad or upset and Im not attacking you in anyway.
But now once again you want to resort to your bullying and try and provoke me by using words like coward. For what? To get a reaction out of me? Are you just looking for a fight? Its usually the person yelling the loudest that is the most scared with something to hide.
And yes, I will send a sample to another lab, I dont care what your opinion about that is. You have nothing to prove I am being dishonest, because there is nothing.
And typing like this doesn't get your point across any better or make you look scary
Besides a big mouth a fake labs you have nothing. Not even knowledge to stand up behind your lies
AnonYou're breaking my heart man.
I've posted the info you need so your "Professor" can get the info he needs buddy. It's just an email away. All the Best
You did not posted nothing
For customers who wants to do real testing please contact www.simec.ch they do testing on hplc according to usps/eupharma
Any samples from me will test perfect to them if the sender is honest sure
Why someone would use people like HailRazor who are doing really bad testing when such labs are available I have no ideea
I do not do the testing or even own a lab coat
I send samples to labs such as Simec and post results.
not such simec. Send to simec..plus i doubt you are honest anyway and will not tamper samples but if you do i will ask each guy here to send samples to them I will pay and then when results will come you will dissapear like Angus
plus simec.ch is not using MS. Did you wondered why ? If you see they use HPLC then why you fighted against me defending MS ? No good lab will do quantitative tests on MS
For moment if you are honest please ask your lab with MS to posts answers and comments regarding my professor faults found on their results. If you posted /done those labs please be man and come with explanations otherwise admit they are wrong. Do not run away
Do it but if you come with bad results mean you manipulated samples. For moment i do not trust you since you posted fake MS and now you change labs
P2i2twell if sealed vials are sent then there is no manipulating samples. maybe it can be a request of the lab to state whether the samples were opened or in a sealed vial.
Ok ASHOP. Let's just take a break from all this back n forth. I've got $ to make (headn to a rave) to pay for this $1000+ lab work I'm doing for eRoids.
Maybe the Netherland lab is off. Maybe it's spot on. But rest assure....either way....I will post the results as I've always done my friend.
Lol
DO NOT RUN AWAY NOW. For moment if you are honest please ask your lab with MS to posts answers and comments regarding my professor faults found on their results. If you posted /done those labs please be man and come with explanations otherwise admit they are wrong. Do not run away
ASHOP: you keep using the old "Throw ANGUS under the bus" tactic
This is not the same game buddy
Jello was concerned with his BalKan gear because of recent blood work
He sacrificed his gear, time, and money to ship the sample to a testing facility
Questions about the test contact:
LabMax.ca
Simec.ch
SteroidCheck.com
In the meantime:
Ive sent two samples (Test P from my Compound Pharmacy) to my US lab and this Lab in the Netherlands (I've spent over $1000 to do this)
Samples were sent as Test P but mg/mL was not labeled
I'll post the results to compare each labs findings
So this should eliminate all this back n forth nonsense
We are not Chemist, Scientist, etc
Merely members contributing to eRoids. Nothing more
simec.ch is ok if you send them real samples from me it will be perfect. I doubt you are honest and will do honest things.
Simec.ch is testing according usps or eupharma
P2i2tthis guy has been around here for years and does not have an impeccable reputation because he is dishonest and does dishonest things. Hail does nothing but try to be as honest as possible and help the community as much as possible.has done it for years.it is part of his personality, part of his conscience.people's conscience and personalities don't all of a sudden change.especially not because of one test and one person saying he is dishonest.
AnonLol great, so even if we use a lab you approve of you are already trying to discredit to results.
What if it cane back properly dosed from simec? Would you call it dishonest then?
All those days your replies are what if .....do you think......can you try not to be sneaky
My products test perfectly to simec so any other results than perfect i will not believe. I do not trust you and thats normal my products are qualitative so is clear you just want to manipulate
I do not discredit you. You discredit you because you can not stand and answer questions why your tests are full of mistakes
AnonThat about sums it up right there. You dont have any products, you are a reseller.
Post your results from Simec then
I've posted several results using Simec.ch
Please posts receipts also when you do and leave info so members can call lab and check validity. I would not trust you even if you tell me time
I have receipts....emails, etc from Simec
I've dealt with Dr. A......S...... Directly
then test my products with Simec they test perfectly each time and I will not have headaches.Why you are doing now what you are doing if you have simec God knows
Undestand your labs with MS are not good. If you test for real with Simec then is good
AnonOk how do we set that up?
Instead posting more nonsense..who knows how you handled samples sent etc ? please answer basic questions regarding your lab tests.
You posted a bad lab tests that is full of faults
Why you do not answer questions regarding that lab test ?g
Regarding those contacts you list there what is that ? Which one done the tests you posted ? Are you again confused
I heard about labmax and here is a thread on subject
https://www.eroids.com/pics/labmax-test-balkan-vs.-pharmacy-test-cyp
MODS can you ask those guys to answer questions my professor asked them and not hide ? To make a honest debate please answer those questions comments or admit your tests are wrong
sending some samples you or your friend to other labs means you do not trust yourself labs posted plus who can trust more tests done with samples sent by you or your friends ?
You are running a smear campaign and you will lie till death you are wrong.
MS tests on steroids were proved faulty.
Do not take me with I sent to other labs or I am not chemist
You posted some labs please stand behinds your accusations or ask chemists from that lab to come and explain us why you have so many mistakes in that test.
If they done tests they should be able to defend. If not they or you or both are dishonests
AnonIm not answering your professors questions because I cant. Those are not basic questions and I am no expert on this. Im just a person who posted lab results, doesnt make me dishonest.
To me all that says is that gc/ms is completely capable of quantitative analysis in the right parameters. There is more to it Im sure but like I said it will take someone more qualified than me to explain it.
Do you understand what your professor posted? Can you explain it any better than we can? I would love to learn more about this.
Ask your chemist who done test to answer please. Yes I understand let me one hour to try to write in a way everyone will understand
I just dropped over 1000k to test the results of 2 different labs
Maybe you should have that new Fancy Balken Lab Facility that's on YouTube do an analysis of a recent batch and post it up
All this "Squirrel" and "look over there" tactics isn't getting you anywhere
Post up a recent lab
That's what I'll be doing
At least I'm contributing in a positive way. Can't say the same for you bud
1000K you are very rich..are you make this money outvof mdma ? You posted earlier that you deal with mdma right ? Few posts earlier
Look in lab test section to see recent labs. I post labs for each new batch always
You are not contribuiting positive you are missinforming people
There's a "harm reduction" program for that community. I do not follow that lifestyle. It was a comparison to the AAS lifestyle. We as customers need a "harm reduction" program such as that one for MDMA to keep us safe.
Anyway 1000k is a million spent on labs. Seems you make tons of money with this business and you tought maybe is good to come here and get more rich ?
Jellotrip and HailRazor. My profesor found your labs faulty and you have here lots of problems that you need to address.
Please address those issues
Here is the professor reply:
1.
A question of sample preparation. Where is the proof that the solvent (toluene) was missing the found components to start with? The solvent injection is missing.
2.
The standards database is used for authenticity. The quantitation has to be made using the calibration mix of standards in different concentrations for the construction of the calibration curve.
3.
One may or may not use the intern standard. It's also called "the tagging method" and it is used when one doesn't have the possibility to strictly control the device factors. When using this method for certain calculations, one should add it to the reference and analysis samples. We may assume that these tests haven't been done because the specters and the chromatograms of the reference mix are missing.
4.
The testing method of single injections is not statistically reliable. One should use at least 3 determinations and calculate the RSD.
5.
Three of the substances found in the sample ? Tricaprilin (mixture of glycerin an caprylic acid), tricaprin (glycerol tricaprate), decanoic acid (capric acid) are oil components. The other 2 substances are some sort of derivatives of the decanoic acid. The standards database shows an 80% coincidence for one of them, while the other one is not shown at all. Anyhow, they are not steroid substances that would show impurities of testosterone.
6.
It's hard to find a logic in the shown results. We have been shown only the initial components and the final components.
7.
We return to the same discussion we had before. The method of MSGC may be applied for product dosage but only if used correctly.
Plus for those who are curios please check here how similar is Jellotrip and HailRazor with Angus and his testing methods. The same way of forging answers analyzes same kind of replies
https://www.eroids.com/pics/estimation-of-steroids-concentration-by-mass...
https://www.eroids.com/pics/steriod-purity-assesment-by-electrospray-ion...
Here is a old post by me where I published methodology internationally accepted for testing steroids
https://www.eroids.com/pics/methods-of-testing-steroids-internationally-...
AnonI see no similarities, those tests from angus are a couple pages that look like Microsoft paint jobs. Your international testing link shows no pictures.
Those guys are attempting to explain shit thats over my head. I dont know why you insist on answers that neither one of us have the knowledge to explain. I have no control over what results the labs send back.
So now you got your professor to ask about the labs and you know I cant answer his concerns off the top of my head so you think I am faking the labs?
I will not make any unecessary comments. Now those are facts please address them so you can prove your labs are legit