This is a new Angus game. Same methods, same lies, same forged emails. Just Angus had more knowledge and he was able to answer a part of my questions. Those guys are not able to answer nothing.
Please send me contacts of professors you talked with them so my professor will discuss with them. I can find them on internet contact them point this threads and ask them about their answers but is better to have direct your emails with them to be able to understand faster
Just trying to lighten the mood, your opinion of my intelligence is worthless. Stringing together a coherent sentence in english should be a prerequisite on here.
Just went to the Balkan UPIC Checking Secure Site and entered the code from the vial and got this message:
Warning:
This code was checked 3 times so far.
This may mean that the product you're checking probably has been a victim of counterfeiters.
For more information please email us and we will gladly clarify any doubt about that.
Anyone else ever have this issue? I Took a screen shot of it in case anyone wants to say I'm lying again.
If you check a code more than once it will be recorded and considered a fake. Once you enter code type enter just once and wait. This is the way UPIC works and is not a problem
BP new factory meets European standards that are stricter than USPS from what I know. But we go now in doing supositions. You have a video with bp factory look on it you have there images from old and new factory ( in ask and discuss thread ) and make your own conclusions. Is this better or no than your average products. They have a better lab or no...do your own conclusions
from what I have read they appear to be high quality but as for your question, they would have to meet a LOT of FDA guidelines to do so. Other parts of the world are not as strict as here but some are more strict... so to answer that you would have to compare the moldovan FDA guidelines and regulations against the US FDA. I dont think there is a non speculative answer to this
Kinda what I'm getting at. The US guidelines are way more strict, I would bet serious money that Balkan would not hold up to US regulations. I'm not going to speculate on the government of Moldova but even in the US mistakes happen at some of the biggest pharmaceutical companies in the world. So I don't understand why it would seem so farfetched that other countries with looser guidelines could also suffer from inconsistent manufacturing processes from time to time.
You make supositions without have a ideea of the truth.
Please send me contacts of professors you talked with them so my professor will discuss with them. I can find them on internet contact them point this threads and ask them about their answers but is better to have direct your emails with them to be able to understand faster
Wow this has turned into a show lol. So I've read this and I have a question? Maybe someone could help with this method of testing is done by heating it up right both parties agree I think lol. And this lab has a standard which means they have a sample that they compare to (hope I am right lol). If this is correct now let me ask this if this standard the lab has does it matter if they have different carriers oil and other additives? If heating something up to make it volatile wouldn't there be a chance of a different reaction to the different additives each lab uses. I'm no chemist at all just has me curious about this
I'd like to hear what he says. Has me curious it seems heating something up to where it's volatile would make the different additives react differently.
Another reply from University of Missouri: Not sure what that analogue is but I am waiting to hear back from the lab about standard or internal standard used.
If one could find a C13 analogue of it to use as a standard/internal standard, definitely.
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Dr. *********************, Professor
Dept. Biochemistry and Child Health
Director, Chromatography/Mass Spectrometry Facility
Director, AESCL Analytical Services
Missouri State Chemist
University of Missouri - Columbia
Room 4 Agriculture Building
Columbia, MO 65211
I know C13 means carbon 13 from my highschool. How happens that you such a expert talking with nation known specialists, have no ideea what c13 is. With c14 you can determine how old is a object from what i remember but I never learned what c13 is used for
Guess I was too busy partying and banging hot chicks in high school to have paid that close attention in chemistry class. You said you learned about it in high school but have no idea what it is used for? What?
How does me not knowing what c13 is have anything to do with who I consult with on this matter? I emailed them because they are the experts in the field and I am not. Seems like the intelligent thing to do.
Where did I try to teach anyone chemistry or act like a guru? I have openly admitted to not having all the answers, hence my consultations with experts. Im not here pretending to know everything.
I will request the information you are asking for. I really don't care if you trust anything or not, your trust or opinion on this matter means absolutely nothing to me at this point.
An email response I received from Tulane University:
Me (This is the exact question I emailed):
Is it possible to get an accurate quantitative analysis of Testosterone Enanthate in an oil solution using GC/MS?
Reply:
The simple answer is yes, and it is done routinely. However, it is fairly labor and time intensive, and also requires a laboratory that has the equipment required for the preparation and workup of the analytical samples prior to GCMS analysis. Hope that helps,
Jb
*********************, Ph.D. (Name withheld for security)
Sr. Instrumentation Specialist
Chemistry Department
Tulane University
504.***.**** (phone number withheld)
Exactly the same kind of answers ( emails with ***) I was getting from Angus
Please ask them to point the USPS methods they use as guidance.
Stop faking emails please, you getting nowwhere. We need to post something more real than Yes we can and when asking to put in practice they will use a HPLC
not taking side but a quick google search will show you exactly who it is... they do exist and this would be quite the stretch to search this person out to 'quote' them with out actually haven talked to them. Doesn't mean the email wasnt altered but atleast we know the person is real and credible
ASHOP at his finest.
This is a new Angus game. Same methods, same lies, same forged emails. Just Angus had more knowledge and he was able to answer a part of my questions. Those guys are not able to answer nothing.
Jellotrip
Please send me contacts of professors you talked with them so my professor will discuss with them. I can find them on internet contact them point this threads and ask them about their answers but is better to have direct your emails with them to be able to understand faster
AnonIf a nobody like me can get in contact with these people Im sure it wont be difficult for your professor.
He is doing this now but was best to have your email from you so after you will not say is not the same guy.
AnonNow why would you assume I would go and do something like that? ;-)
Dealing with guys like you make me assume worst
AnonYou dont know me, and you know what happens when you make assumptions. ..
Where is the methodology ? Why you run around without answering real questions ?
AnonBecause I need the exercise.
In the school guys who were not able to answer teacher questions were making jokes to be funny at least if they cant be smart
AnonJust trying to lighten the mood, your opinion of my intelligence is worthless. Stringing together a coherent sentence in english should be a prerequisite on here.
AnonJust went to the Balkan UPIC Checking Secure Site and entered the code from the vial and got this message:
Anyone else ever have this issue? I Took a screen shot of it in case anyone wants to say I'm lying again.
If you check a code more than once it will be recorded and considered a fake. Once you enter code type enter just once and wait. This is the way UPIC works and is not a problem
AnonI only entered the code once, oddly enough the other vial I have passed no problem.
You should have a contact form there contact them
AnonAlready did
well that is very interesting...i have some balkan prop...maybe i'll try and enter a code in and see what it says
AnonPlease do, would appreciate it. Not saying for sure its counterfeit but that is the message I got. I emailed Balkan about it, waiting on a reply.
AnonOne more question, does anyone think that Balkan could ever be considered a legit pharmaceutical company in the US?
BP new factory meets European standards that are stricter than USPS from what I know. But we go now in doing supositions. You have a video with bp factory look on it you have there images from old and new factory ( in ask and discuss thread ) and make your own conclusions. Is this better or no than your average products. They have a better lab or no...do your own conclusions
Here is video again: https://youtu.be/r_XoW5RQzrg
AnonThat video tells me nothing, thats my conclusion.
ahaha
from what I have read they appear to be high quality but as for your question, they would have to meet a LOT of FDA guidelines to do so. Other parts of the world are not as strict as here but some are more strict... so to answer that you would have to compare the moldovan FDA guidelines and regulations against the US FDA. I dont think there is a non speculative answer to this
AnonKinda what I'm getting at. The US guidelines are way more strict, I would bet serious money that Balkan would not hold up to US regulations. I'm not going to speculate on the government of Moldova but even in the US mistakes happen at some of the biggest pharmaceutical companies in the world. So I don't understand why it would seem so farfetched that other countries with looser guidelines could also suffer from inconsistent manufacturing processes from time to time.
You make supositions without have a ideea of the truth.
Please send me contacts of professors you talked with them so my professor will discuss with them. I can find them on internet contact them point this threads and ask them about their answers but is better to have direct your emails with them to be able to understand faster
AnonSo you are telling me a company like Balkan would pass the same standards held to a company like Pfizer?
I do not want to make speculation. I like to talk things i can prove
AnonThats pretty funny right there.
Wow this has turned into a show lol. So I've read this and I have a question? Maybe someone could help with this method of testing is done by heating it up right both parties agree I think lol. And this lab has a standard which means they have a sample that they compare to (hope I am right lol). If this is correct now let me ask this if this standard the lab has does it matter if they have different carriers oil and other additives? If heating something up to make it volatile wouldn't there be a chance of a different reaction to the different additives each lab uses. I'm no chemist at all just has me curious about this
Is too complicated for me to answer but I get a answer for you from my expert
I'd like to hear what he says. Has me curious it seems heating something up to where it's volatile would make the different additives react differently.
Please look how a real analyze should look like
https://www.eroids.com/pics/testosterone-enanthate-250mgml-by-balkan-pha...
AnonI have some questions about that test. Not to discredit it, just genuinely curious for my own education. I will post them in that thread.
Yes ! Please do it. Then post details of your critics. As harsh as you are able please. Ask your expert to have no mercy
I will wait tomm, now I go to bed
AnonWhat?
AnonAnother reply from University of Missouri: Not sure what that analogue is but I am waiting to hear back from the lab about standard or internal standard used.
Carbon 13 IMO
AnonThank you for explaining.
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkI know C13 means carbon 13 from my highschool. How happens that you such a expert talking with nation known specialists, have no ideea what c13 is. With c14 you can determine how old is a object from what i remember but I never learned what c13 is used for
AnonGuess I was too busy partying and banging hot chicks in high school to have paid that close attention in chemistry class. You said you learned about it in high school but have no idea what it is used for? What?
How does me not knowing what c13 is have anything to do with who I consult with on this matter? I emailed them because they are the experts in the field and I am not. Seems like the intelligent thing to do.
You were too busy partying...and now you come here to teach us chemistry and analytic acting like a guru
C13 is used for identification and not for dosage.
Lets see the methodology used by them in accordance with international standards
AnonWhere did I try to teach anyone chemistry or act like a guru? I have openly admitted to not having all the answers, hence my consultations with experts. Im not here pretending to know everything.
What does C13 with us ? Not sure
To end this please tell those guys to send you methodology of testing according to international standards ( usps eupharm )
If you do not come with exact answer here is the documentation then I do not have reasons to trust anything
I will come with methodology of testing my laboratory use and I will post it tommorow ( methodology is according to international standards )
AnonI will request the information you are asking for. I really don't care if you trust anything or not, your trust or opinion on this matter means absolutely nothing to me at this point.
AnonAn email response I received from Tulane University:
Me (This is the exact question I emailed):
Reply:
Exactly the same kind of answers ( emails with ***) I was getting from Angus
Please ask them to point the USPS methods they use as guidance.
Stop faking emails please, you getting nowwhere. We need to post something more real than Yes we can and when asking to put in practice they will use a HPLC
not taking side but a quick google search will show you exactly who it is... they do exist and this would be quite the stretch to search this person out to 'quote' them with out actually haven talked to them. Doesn't mean the email wasnt altered but atleast we know the person is real and credible
Look up on Angus threads. Was extactly the same method. Those persons never knew their informations were forged.
Once I get to laptop i will put up links with Angus to see coincidences
AnonI can forward all emails to a mod if necessary. I was told leave the names out for security purposes.
Seems everything you don't agree with is a fake to you, wish I could live in a fantasy world all day too.