posted Fri, 04/17/2015 - 07:24
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+ 42 Mass Spec: Balkan Test E 250 from Ashop
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AnonI appreciate Darth trying to keep things on track. I know this has stirred a lot of emotional responses and personal attacks. None if this is necessary guys, as it was never my intention for things to go this way.
Please try and keep things clean in here, if you dont like the source then dont give them your business. If you dont like me then please ignore my posts. I dont blame ashop for defending his livelihood, I just wish he would have gone about things differently.
Anyone that knows me on here knows what Im about and Ive never tried to fuck anyone over. I love this place and thought I was doing something to contribute. I never pretended to know everything about all this lab testing but it has been a good learning experience for me. I hope it was for everyone else as well.
But I still believe everything I posted to be legit and I will stand by it. Everyone here is free to choose what to believe and handle their business accordingly. I wish no ill will against ashop or anyone else and will continue to try to educate myself on matters regarding lab testing. I hope I can contribute positively in the future and help people on here to the best of my ability.
Thank you gentlemen.
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkA shop looks like such a jackass in this thread. Bro nobody is creating "fake" labs. You're the #1 source cuz u give out a fuckload of free gear. NOT because your products are good. You call these guys names and claim they have fake tests, then YOU post the fakest, most out of date labs of them all. Don't take everything so damn personally, we as eroids users just want clean, accurately dosed gear. If you gear isn't accurately dosed maybe you should do something about that instead of claiming that well reputable member are trying to slander you. I trust HailRazor WAYYY more than I would ever trust you. I'm sure everyone else here agrees.
This is turning into a mirror image of the Angus days!!' you all seem to have forgot pretty damn quickly.
How about we go about this with an air of caution instead of bull in China shop mentality!!
The guys with the knowledge, have it out in a respectful debate between minds. Clueless shitbags throwing there .2cents into it from a distance, stay out of it !!
Yes for me is fantastic how people do not see exact that here is running the exact same Angus game.
Would be good if they will concentrate on giving answers on those issues professor found on their analyzes ( those are not all but he is waiting their reply and then he will have more )
Those are analyzes done with a single injection without respecting minimum rules for a analyze. He said a real analyst would never do this no matter what so probably they are students who does not know analytic but they are doing this and who know maybe they are convinced that their methods are good. Those are simple injections maybe a demo but not a analyze.
Yes I was wrong calling them fools or crooks and I ask excuses but I know I sell good products and is wrong but very wrong to come with bad labs and do a smear campaign against a source. I cam follow rules i can comply rules but I can not fight in dirty fights.
Absolutely everyone who ever tried my products know I have the best out there. Thats the reason they want to kill me because if I was bad nobody would care.
I get tons of messages from customers who tell me not to reply to this thread and ignore but here is like someone would say my daughter is a whore in public but I dont even have a daughter. Thats exactly this situation.
Mods please ask the original posters to answer issues my professor found on their labs so we can have a good debate and clear things AGAIN. I already proved once you can not analyze steroids * drugs*without a method.
Theres clearly questions to be woked out from both parties but this gets fogged by a bunch of guys slinging comments which helps noone. People forget we are all in this together. Ultimately We all want methods of ansylisis we can use directly if possible or atleast fully rely on and refrence.
AnonYep same scenario, just new members who weren't around at the time questioning the source. Been there done that, in the end it is likely the same will happen with what happened to angus when he got caught after the community saw him as an incredible asset to eroids for the longest time... then when a member got this same test done by sending in a sample anonymously meaning he didn't tell angus the lab name and later posted the results of the test and it just so happened to be ashop... Sucks for angus as ashop proved his labs held no merit and were flawed and he was nothing but a scammer the entire time. All he was doing was taking members as well as sources money to do these "tests" which were inaccurate. That's my 2 cents here the difference between me and the majority of the people posting is they don't have a clue on this matter and what went down on the past. Here's an advice to everyone trashing a source that's been operating successfully for who knows how long - don't trust any member no matter how respectable they are to the community or how much karma points they have. Angus was a god to eroids and unfortunately for him was revealed to have been a scammer with this bs tests. I'm done here
AnonYup, karma dont mean shit. You shouldn't trust anyone here, members, sources, mods. No one.
Thank you so much. That is perfectly true..
Maybe you missed my memo? You make a lot of bold claims in your post. Have you ran balkan gear yourself?
I have indeed. Seemed fine to me at the time but it was awhile ago and I was a lot less educated on the subject than I am currently..
So you tested our products and you were happy but now a fake lab done by quite new members educated you ? Quite sad if you can not stay and watch this till the end. It will be same like with Angus. Those guys with their analyze messed the oil and broke the oil into fatty acid ( probe destroyed )and they considered those impurities. Lack of minimum knowledge as analyst. Those guys are not analysts they are some students that do a injection in a MS without knowing full process.
PM sent.
Glad mods are keeping a eye on this...
A lot of unnecessary comments, let's just see what happens with the party's involved...
All the insults are pointless...
StevebAmen
iMonkAshop, dude, shut up! You're destroying your buisness here. Everytime you post hostile shit you're making jello and razor look better and everyone reading is getting further from placing an order with you. God forbid something happens to my order cause I would hate to recieve the verbal beating you throw these guys.
Lab tests aside, check your attitude bro. Thats the worst part...
I am here for 15 years and I have survived numerous pervert atacks. Please mind your problems and leave me manage my business how I know.
I manage my posts also after volume of support emails . Just try to leave us 3 to clear up.
I never said I have high diplomacy skills but I am 100% honest. I will say exactly what I think and I have not skills to lie you but I do what I know very honest and nothing behind customers back.
For moment my professor found lots of problems in those labs done by Jellotrip and HailRazor and they are not answering those issues. All they can do is to complain I called them fools and crooks ? OK sorry for that. Now please explain why your labs are bad, why you have not published methodology and why you only complain about some stupid words...sorry for them...
AnonI dont know who Angus is and I wasnt here when all that went down. Im sure a mod can verify this.
So you poped out after Angus went down ? Quite strange. Anyway your skills are far worse than Angus he was able to give some answers.
Now you appeared not long time ago here gathered some Karma and you attack me that I was here for 15 years and I was never caught with lies ?
Is not that strange two guys who have no hidden agenda pop out gather karma and then goes to atack with some labs that are very wrong done ?
Can you ask your lab analyst to come with answers ? If not then ask excuses please
AnonWhat does karma have to do with anything? I dont have any skills as an analyst, thats why the samples were sent to a lab. Im not attacking you with some hidden agenda, none of this is strange.
So you've never been caught with lies? Like posting fake votes in reviews to help your ranking? That never happened?
For those who are curios please check here how similar is Jellotrip and HailRazor with Angus and his testing methods. The same way of forging answers analyzes same kind of replies
https://www.eroids.com/pics/estimation-of-steroids-concentration-by-mass...
https://www.eroids.com/pics/steriod-purity-assesment-by-electrospray-ion...
Here is a old post by me where I published methodology internationally accepted for testing steroids
https://www.eroids.com/pics/methods-of-testing-steroids-internationally-...
are you saying these are the same people as the last battle? That they are fake angus accounts? I thought hail was around long before that. I'm just trying to figure out what you're suggesting.
Well friend, maybe you should introduce yourself to everyone.
Brother, I'm a very long time lurker and a short time poster. My fascination and passion rest in all those little molecules and how they interact within the body. The reality is that 169mg/ml is really good for a ugl. I Have nothing against the source except he called me names (herpes) on my first post. Kinda makes a guy wanna keep lurking. Not exactly a welcoming wagon. The #1 source ridiculing new guys would be something I thought mods would frown on. But apparently it's not that big of deal. So I just ask a question or two here and there, I don't see the problem???? Do I have to have a fancy number and tag next to my name to get some respect? I'm just truly interested in this conversation. Is that bad? If so say the word and I'll go back to lurking. But to answer your question........hello, my name is Hermes and I'm an OCD alcoholic and part time chemist.
Wrong answer.I usually do not give second chances when I am lied to but I am feeling generous this morning.. I ask you again, who are you? Lets not go for three.
I do not think he is saying that. He said that the difference between these guys and Angus was that Angus had more knowledge. That tells me he does not think it is a Angus Shill.
Oh I see. I was confused. I went back and read all those posts and it was a pretty intense exchange. Much like it is now. But in the end I didn't see where it was resolved. Just seemed like a big argument.
Exactly. I would like to see the end. Without blind testing I do not believe we will ever know. There really is only 2 things we need tested. Purity of raws and dosage of finished product.
LC/MS/MS - 7329ng/dl
https://www.eroids.com/sites/default/files/gearpic/9256/MP%20LAB.jpg
LC/MS/MS - 32.64mg/mL
MS/HPLC - 37.8mg/mL
https://www.eroids.com/sites/default/files/gearpic/21800/image_60.jpg
If the lab analysis isn't accurate then we need to stop doing blood work also. I guess LabCorp is doing fake labs....my US lab is fake...and the Swiss Lab that you mentioned is fake....these are all three
If your lab is good why you ( them) do not comment on all problems professor found on your analyze ?
One of the Assay Reports on the Primo was done at the Swiss Lab that you approve of. I use multiple labs. I'm just wanting you to understand that these samples are sent off and the testing is paid for AShop. We have no control of the outcome and the Assay Results are what is emailed to us. No photoshop. We don't get the full descriptive assay report like you posted for the Balkan Test E ampules or whatever was tested. We don't get the testing lab scientist on 24 hour call so we can relay their testing methods to you. That's it....nothing more. Let's be friends buddy
so you are not able to stand behind your analyzes problems found and you want us just to believe you..that analyze you posted is bad, from sample preparation to the end is all wrong. If you can not explain problems found then your analyze can not be trusted
You make a good point. If these are just regular members sending in samples we are limited on several fronts what we can do. We have to be discreet due to our draconian laws, we have no control over how samples are handled and we have no control over what is sent back as far as data. Probably even more that I am too tired to remember.
With that said tho if we are going to do damage to a source with bad results we need to find a way to optimize the accuracy and truthfulness of tests. Unfortunately I do not have the answers for that problem.
Testing MDMA tablets is by far easier than AAS. It's actually helped that community by educating them on what's pure and what can kill em. AAS samples used to be accepted by many labs. But.......
As for damaging this source....well....him calling me retarded....and having a cousin that was mongoloid and died at age ten.....well.....I won't be jumping on any of his Promos. :(
So you are testing hard drugs ? aha
Yea, I don't agree with the name calling either but you guys are grown men, I can only do so much. Maybe he doesn't appreciate how offensive that word has become in our culture? I have a friend with a son that has downs... I have tried to erase that word from my vocabulary.
yes i overreacted but you must understand I am honest and when someone come with bad analyzes zi see red. MY EXCUSES to HailRazor and Jellotrip please now lets try to clear up your analyzes errors. I think also a source should be protected for such analyzes . If someone post then post lab also and post contacts plus receipt for it. It should be some kind of protection because I swear those labs are wrong and very wrong they have not respected minimal rules and even sample preparation is dirty
rocketballzHad to chime in here. This is the best, most productive thing you have said over the past several days. In fact this should end this debate if you guys all agree. The lab test section can definitely hurt or help a source's bottom line and yet its the first place I go every time I log onto here. I love the lab test section. Now if we could just figure out what it all means...
StevebDid you use this?
AnonAre you asking me if I used the test e? I did not, I had a couple sealed vials. I would just run the bottle and pull bloods but Im sure somehow those would be called fake as well...
so you did not run but just tested it. I think your intentions are clear. I tought you run it before
thetdog623837ashop is a liar and a bellend
You've been warned about idiotic mindless comments like that. Cool off for a few days.
Below is the professor reply:
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#A question of sample preparation. Where is the proof that the solvent (toluene) was missing the found components to start with? The solvent injection is missing.#
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#The standards database is used for authenticity. The quantitation has to be made using the calibration mix of standards in different concentrations for the construction of the calibration curve.#
3.
#One may or may not use the intern standard. It's also called "the tagging method" and it is used when one doesn't have the possibility to strictly control the device factors. When using this method for certain calculations, one should add it to the reference and analysis samples. We may assume that these tests haven't been done because the specters and the chromatograms of the reference mix are missing.#
4.
#The testing method of single injections is not statistically reliable. One should use at least 3 determinations and calculate the RSD.#
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#Three of the substances found in the sample ? Tricaprilin (mixture of glycerin an caprylic acid), tricaprin (glycerol tricaprate), decanoic acid (capric acid) are oil components. The other 2 substances are some sort of derivatives of the decanoic acid. The standards database shows an 80% coincidence for one of them, while the other one is not shown at all. Anyhow, they are not steroid substances that would show impurities of testosterone.#
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#It's hard to find a logic in the shown results. We have been shown only the initial components and the final components.#
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#We return to the same discussion we had before. The method of MSGC may be applied for product dosage but only if used correctly.#
AnonOk, so what does this all mean?
ask your chemists please and come with pertinent answers. You started with a fake lab and when I brought you evidences you are at the level of calling names or false accusations. So please come with answers from your chemists and defend your labs. Lets start serious and lets speak on the subject
AnonI dont have any chemists on my payroll to agree with me sorry. Thats why Im asking what it means, do you know what it means? I will forward the response to the lab and see what they say, thats about all I can do.
When did I call you names or make false accusations? If you go back and read your own posts I think it is clear who resorted to name calling. And now you want to be serious and speak on the subject after the way you handled yourself?
Now I got the email from professor i will type and post. Shortly was not used any standard substance there is only one injection and they make confusions of the excipients of impurities ( no ideea what impurities are )
AnonYay! Finally all this can be resolved because your professor has figured this whole thing out. Thank you so much good sir
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkUntil this method is proven correct there is not much reason to trust it. Ashop needs to realize that these members are not attacking him and making up lab reports. These labs are being paid for to try to help them and the community. Ashop does have a right to be pissed if the test is wrong. Think of the money it could cost him. If he is correct then he is the one getting scammed. I am not a A shop fan but I am for finding the truth. With out that A shop seems to have upper hand.
AnonI apologize for the sarcasm, but this has become comical to me.
When I have experts telling me gc/ms is entirely possible to get quantitative analysis for test E and the only person who seems to disagree is some professor who works for the source I am inclined to trust my own research.
To be honest I dont care about the money it costs him, but in the end thats what it all boils down to isnt it? Money.... Im not trying to scam anyone nor did I post this lab test with malicious intent.