posted Wed, 04/22/2015 - 08:19
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+ 1 TESTOSTERONE ENANTHATE 250mg/ml by Balkan Pharmaceuticals
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NOTE: Analyzes are done according USPS/EU pharmacopeia standards.
Those standards are internationally accepted ( and reviewed yearly by international experts) to tests all drugs that are released in the international markets.
Normally I should post only first page so if you do not see there REJECTED means product is good. But because I do not want some to say they can not believe or check I post all the pages that show full process and all details, so anytime someone can give to a laboratory for validation.
So if product is tested according to those standards means it has the right concentration and does not have impurities ( other than those accepted by USPS/EU standards ).
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UPDATE: meantime ( being after holiday they replied now being Monday morning) I got a answer from official dealer in Moldova for BP regarding benzylbenzoate. He told me that allowed benzylbenzoate content for BP hormones is between: 0% and 2% therefore everything is corect, labels, lab tests and everything
Those labs are fake.
Same thing no matter is 1ml or 10ml
Ajax
yeah I hear you, trt is not something to mess with and when you are being told this product is good for that and then find out its not, i would be pissed. Idk, still a lot of variables... i don't know if there is a way to settle this lol
P2i2tAshop can you please chime in and answer some of these questions?such as why it States the wrong color of oil in the sample then what it usually is? Yellow instead of crystal clear. along with these other questions as well.you are all over somebody else's thread right now but we would like to see you over here on your own answering some of these questions please and thank you
***Alice asked them to add the colour description brand everything in next labs they issue out. They can do for me only 3-4 per week maximum
Kinda like this one:
https://www.eroids.com/sites/default/files/gearpic/24124/Tren%20E.jpg
Or this one that shows a detailed description, Mfg. Lic. No., Batch No.:
(Yellow oil/Clear ampule)
http://s1244.photobucket.com/user/nandroxl/media/TRENOPRIME_zps9c450a3f....
It is very hard to make difference between light yellow and clear solution just with eyes, a very small difference from transparency it is considered light yellow, but with simple eyes you can see it clear. To appreciate correctly the colour, there are used patterns/samples.
Lab guys told me that is yellow for them because they have standard of comparation. In the future they will complete details in such way that a lay man will understand.
Please check
Transparency : solution should be clear
Limits are a light yellow but very light you can not see with eyes
BP does not use benzylbenzoate in their products for some months because benzylbenzoate is not anymore needed ( preparation to filling is A class now)
i put this announce long time ago. Some labs they use still indicates untill the stock is finished
This one does:
https://www.eroids.com/sites/default/files/gearpic/69655/Balkan.jpg
So this Mass Spec wouldn't apply to JelloTrips
Thanks for clearing that up
P2i2tthank you for your response.
OK, so what I am gathering that you are telling me is that as far as the coloring goes, the description here
is stating that it is only yellow using tools from the lab to see it and not from using their own eyes? so from our own eyes the product being tested here looks colorless but if we looked at it on a closer more microscopic level we would see that the limits were actually indeed yellowish in color? so that is why the description says yellow in color?because if they went just by the eye test the description would clearly state a "colorless" transparent oily solution, or something of the sort, and not yellow.
as far as transparency yes, the solution should be clear. Whether it is the transparent yellow, a transparent green, or a colorless transparent substance the solution is still clear, meaning you can see through it with the naked eye.it should not have the transparency of Oil where you cannot see through it meaning it is not transparent.just because it is transparent does not mean it is a colorless transparent compound. this is stating it is a yellowish transparent compound. which is my big issue, considering I believe it should be a colorless transparent compound according to the description. but like stated above, if the testing methods to get the color description was indeed brought to a more microscopic level and it is true that at that level it is yellow in color then the substance would indeed be a transparent yellow oily substance, instead of colorless transparent oily substance such as our logic would tell us by way of the eye test.
definitely not arguing anything just trying to figure this all out for my own sake really because I would personally like to understand and be able to verify these tests to myself considering I love the Balkan brand.
I asked Alice to call them.she will reply
Ajax
P2i2tMuch appreciated.
Keep in mind what part of the world he is in. I doubt he will be back on until very early tomorrow morning.
P2i2tI definitely understand. I was just hoping he would have chimed in earlier today when he was on about this considering it was brought up yesterday. So just trying to bring to his attention, whenever he may be on, that we are interested in these answers as well and not just the ones on the other thread. That's all
AnonWould like to state that I am asking these questions out of my own curiosity. Not to discredit the source, I have legitimate questions and am not looking to argue about this.
It says the solution is light yellow to yellow in color. Every Balkan Test E I have seen, the solution is clear. Why did they say the color was yellow?
Why is the first page of the report from 12-12-2014 and the rest are from 11-7-2014?
Where does it make any mention of the testosterone being analyzed as coming from Balkan?
The first page of the report is dated when all the tests are finished, the other pages have other dates because they have exactly the date when they were done, that is why are different dates. Also, you can notice on all reports that we publish that first page has a format date dd-mm-yyyy and the other pages has date in the format mm-dd-yyyy. For the next reports we asked the lab to use the same date format for the first page as it is used for the other pages (mm-dd-yyyy).
AnonOk, it can be confusing since 12-12-2014 is the same no matter what format you use. Thanks.
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkBP does not use benzylbenzoate in their products for some months because benzylbenzoate is not anymore needed ( preparation to filling is A class now)
plus BB gives you coughing ( with sustamed more ) and is source of alergies. For a UG benzylbenzoate is a must because you will get infected but for example you do not have BB in Omnadren by Jelfa.
i put this announce long time ago. Some labels they use still indicates until the stock is finished.
AnonOk, do you know if amps or vials were used for this test?
AnonAlso, the first page of the test clearly states that Benzyl Benzoate is absent in the sample. Yet if you look at a vial of Balkan Test E it shows that it contains Benzyl Alcohol, Benzyl Benzoate and Peach oil (I think its peach oil, hard to get a translation. But it is some type of carrier oil)
I'm not sure. This is all crazy, but I think one time I remember Ajax saying in the si the amps don't have BA or BB, but the multi dose vials do. I could be wrong though.
BP does not use bb
AnonThat might make sense, I suppose since amps are one time use they might not need it. As opposed to multi dose vials that need to be able to be kept over time in a sterile state.
Still would like clarification as I am only speculating.
P2i2tI clearly remember that. I remember him stating it was because of the way the amps are sealed (he used a specific word for the sealing process) there was no need for them. I'm not sure how much truth there is to that statement but I do remember that thread and that statement being made.
AnonIm not sure. On other sites that sell balkan test e amps it lists bb as an ingredient still. Do any inserts come in a box of amps? Might list it on paperwork, or I could just email balkan directly I guess.
Send them a email please maybe you will get convinced I speak truth
AnonI am still waiting on their replies thanks.
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkP2i2tdon't get me wrong I am definitely not saying it does not include it or it is not listed. All I am saying is I remember that conversation and what the reply to the question was. Nothing more nothing less.
AnonI hear ya man, I actually think I remember reading that as well. Hopefully ashop will clarify.
AnonI have no idea, dont know if the amps and vials are different. If anyone has any amps that could chime in that would be great.
On the lab paperwork it lists different vial numbers being tested. Dont know if that means anything just trying to figure this out.
P2i2texcellent point you have brought up. Every single 1 of those is a valid concern or question. I would like to know the answer to these as well. Light yellow in color?looking at a vial right now mine is crystal clear.different dates? not even stating which actual lab is being tested.for all we know this could be some American made FDA approved testosterone results being pawned off as Balkan.not saying that it is, but we really do not know without this information.sounds like a completely different lab because I can't remember any balkan test e ive ever had that was not crystal clear.I am NOT trying to discredit the test or say that anybody is lying or being deceitful. But I would really like to know the answers to these questions.
this is my .02, for what its worth. There will always be doubt and always be scammers. You know this, I know this and the sources know this. I know I am seeing some bloods and 'mass specs' that are coming back as lower than should be but there is a lot at play here to really determine whos right and whos wrong.
For the bloods, alot matters as to the test result... such as time taken, with or with out fasting, how long after pin, how long on cycle... etc etc. I mean I know I have seen countless bloods where the person didn't know when to take them or what panel to get. We also see so many of the bloods come back at >1500 but that doesnt mean shit, yet everyone anoints them FIRE!
The mass specs leave a lot to ponder. I don't know HailRazor but I have been around Jello for a bit since hes been on here. I don't know why he would go out of his way to burn ashop and I don't believe he did. I don't know why he went through HailRazor because he could have done it on his own. The test doesn't show enough, in my mind to say its bad or good. All it says is 160mg or so is present. The question I asked was about ester weight on there. When you think you are pinning 250mg, you are actually pinning 175mg once the ester leaves... so is the 160mg test result reading that? Did they overheat the oil which then degraded the testosterone down? No one knows. I have seen Hail post a couple of tests both good and bad so I have no idea on this.
In the end, I go with what works for me. I run low test on almost every cycle and as long as my bloods come back higher than my baseline, well then i am just fine with that. I can't say I have used BP enanth but I did use the prop and cyp and both gave me the normal test results I saw on every other run I have had. Boners all day and night, greasy skin, aggression increase, muscle gain, slight acne... and thats all at 250-300mg per week.
I have some SP and BP oils that I am willing to send off to be tested IF the source will pay for the test. These were received a couple months back and more recently about 3 weeks ago so it was before all of this shit. If everyone can agree on a neutral source to test them, I will send them in.
I guess all I am saying is I have had good results with all BP and SP from alin. Maybe Alin is overreacting a bit to protect there business but they need to understand shit happens every once in a while. Raws arent as pure or something happens that ruins a batch. I know they say BP is flawless and all but everyone fucks up... Im going to keep using ashop until I have a reason not to. I have proven labs and cycle results showing everything I have used from them has worked perfectly. HCG, Aromasin, Cialis, TestP, Test C, Oral Tren, TrenA, Nolva, Clomid, winny, tbol var etc....
I saw you quite unbiased during last days..if you want to test at simec.ch I pay
The answer is no. It is measuring 160mg of Testosterone enanthate which is the weight of the steroid and ester.
Testosterone and its esters are generally encountered in one of three forms: tablets, suspensions or dissolved in oils. Isolation from tablets is achieved by direct extraction with chloroform or methylene chloride. Following evaporation of the solvent, the residue may be suitable for infrared identification or mass spectrometer identification in the case of multi-entity preparations. Isolation of the steroid(s) from suspensions is achieved by separating the liquid and drying the resultant powder. The powder is then analyzed similarly as above.Testosterone and its esters, when dissolved in an oil matrix, are impossible to identify by infrared and can cause fouling of other types of instrumentation. Solid-phase extraction is a simple and effective means to isolate the steroid(s) for identification. Approximately five to seven drops of the oil solution is dissolved in pet ether or hexanes and added to a solid-phase extraction cartridge filled with silica. After washing the cartridge with the same solvent, the steroid(s) are eluted from the cartridge with acetone and analyzed as above
http://www.swgdrug.org/Monographs/TESTOSTERONE_AND_ESTERS.pdf
thanks mega! what about what ashop brought up a few days ago? the temp at which they tested this at could cause degredation to the testosterone... would this affect the result? I appreciate this response above
Only enanthate. Is the only one that is destroyed at 40C.