PROPER CALIBRATION.....So again on your result where is standard reference substance comparation
?
I will paste here again what I wrote in another thread
Stop using google and posting here links without understanding the basic principle.
At the time I proved Angus being a scammer my professor ( who is a friend of mine, I do not have such skills ) found only one method using MS for testosterone cypionate to determine dosage but method imply usage of standard substance. All analyses here that are posted now and were posted in the past do not use any standard substance for comparation. Without it is impossible to determine dosage. Also a analyse should be very detailed including lot of calculations What you posted here was done by a freshman student who know better photoshop than chemistry.
Repeating myself
One simple thing: Test enanthate enters decompositions ( melting then burning ) at arround 30 Celsius. GSMS is heating to 200 Celsius to make it volatile and test it. At that point testosterone enanthate is already destroyed. So for sure this analyse here is FAKE. I never said you fake it but some guys are manipulating you.
A "Standard" is used in this test to give quantitative test result. Other peaks are identified as oils/etc. Please do not insult me or J with this ANGUS theory. I think it's best to let this go. There is nothing fake about this test or other recent lab reports that I've posted by licensed toxicology labs. So what do you want. Another test done......one that's stamped "Expert Tox" and signed by the testing scientist that has a PHD? J has more of the BalkenTest E 250 that could be tested. Questionable blood work and now this lab report......maybe you should look more closely at what's being sold instead of attacking eRoids members. This is what this site is for.
You've had bad lab analysis results many years ago. I remember and I'm sure you do aswell.
1.
So how you could determine the concentration of the product without standards ? Concentration means quantitative determination
2.
GS is used for volatile materials. In order to be able to test a product you need to heat it to 200 celsius or so to vaporize and analyze it.
Testosterone enanthate once reach 40 celsius will decompose and destroy totally .
Those be facts I am sure your analyses are fake. And a lame fake..
Once you answer we continue. I just have enough with such crooks and oportunists here who want to make money selling fake labs and manipulate people
Looked over the tests. Thats very funny. Who sold you those papers ? Very idiotic analyses I can start going to a specialist and show you exactly how he made up this. Does not even look like a ms analyses result. I already proved to Angus that MS can not be used for dosage only for identification. I think you can use search function
Sorry but i tought i proved for all normal people how MS can be used. Why you come with such papers now ? Is like you would post a EKG done with MS. The same accuracy ( dosage ca not be determined by MS is only a scam )
Really man? You want to come at me like that and try to call my credibility into play? Is that really how you want to go about defending yourself?
Like I said I didnt have anything against you but to come here and accuse me of trying to scam anyone or make anything up is some childish shit.
All I did was post the results of the sample because bloodwork on this same product has been coming back mediocre at best.
If you or anyone else has somewhere else that can perform another test I was gladly submit a sample.
In the meantime dont take every subpar lab result as a personal attack trying to destroy your massive empire, it really reeks of insecurity. Did I flame you or call you a scammer? No, I simply posted the lab results I received.
Jellotrip,I did not put your credibility into play. You posted such analyses that will make any chemist laugh. Please read my old threads with me and angus and after you educate yourself read again what you have posted here. I did not said you fake them, there is another "specialist" who is here playing .
I do not need to defend myself, products quality speak for themselves, People love my products and I am the only source who is able to do real testing and I know what I sell. Thats why I am really offended when someone post such BS..
What massive empire ? Are you sarcastic or what ? I am a source who servers his customers as best as a source can and I am a honest source that is selling real products and I can stand up for my products at any time of day or night. I never attacked you because I am sure you did not produced those lab results. Those results are produced by a new Angus or the old one maybe who knows....
Alin, i dont know shit about testing so i cant make an argument for either side. you mentioned before the moldovan gov't tests every batch before its released. Can you get a copy of the tests on this batch to post? That way it will put any doubt to rest.
Look in the lab test section. You have governamental lab results there plus lab results done by a independent lab test. There are too many labs already. Anything else you need just ask.
Also look through all the pages for my testing to understand the complexity of such a test then compare with those pages here and you will understand
My friend I will not even look gor your results done on MS. I already proved once that steroids can not be corectly tested on MS and here on forum on other places are different scammers who run such tests for profit. Please look for Angus discussionss and how I proved that he is a scammer. I absolutely reject this practice to test steroids by ms ( in fact they do such papers on photoshop probs ) and smear good sources. Just run a search for Angus and ashop threads read them learn and not throw money anymore on such tests. Such tests are scamming 100%. Get a real lab that is doing HPLC let them present the method to verify them then I agree to send my samples and your samples and test. If my products come underdosed i pay 20.000 USD. Just finish with such ms fake tests and loose my time those BP products are not made in the kitchen or so
Is it me....or does that crimping on the vial looks kinda sketchy? My Compound Pharmacy vials don't look like that. My favorite UGLs crimping doesn't look that shakey. Maybe I'm just trippin.
Interesting.....I don't know much about manufacturing and whatnot....but it looks like it was "hand-crimped". Maybe AShop is getting scammed also?
Shakey crimping, bad blood work, bad lab analysis that's not valid unless it's posted by the source....maybe it's just a bad coincidence and the gear is really GTG.
HAILRAZOR stop bullshiting people. Nothing is hand crimped. Thats exactly how the machine is making vials. This type of crimper is something that is rotate arround it and make them exactly how you see them. The alluminium tops are soft and that is the result.
You are the guy who come with those fake labs ? I understand then LOL
Let me search for a video from BP inside the factory...
Sources will stand behind a serum blood test using LC/MS/MS (Mass Spec) ng/dL. It's easy to still "spin" a questionable result in their favor. But testing the actual product using LC/MS/MS (Mass Spec) mg/mL isn't so easy to "spin" if the result is shit. So the fix is to question that test. See where I'm going with this.
Testosterone Serum 2400 ng/dL
Test E 250mg Sample
162.9 mg/mL (actual concentration)
Another thing.....why is it that I have access to these types of tests and some sources don't? I'm nobody. Makes me wonder if some are just kids ordering powders off the net blindly. As long as the label is nice and it shows up in 2-4 days....and they call me bro 10 times all should be GTG?
I have access to all kinds of testing. I think you were here for long so I do not understand how you can promote MS as being good after Angus with his MS was proved all ways totally fake. What is your interest ? What you have to win ? Why you do not post all pages of the analyse ? I want to see all calculations and everything so I can point all mistakes. How you could determine dosage without standard ? Comparing with what ? MS is doing identification comparing with fingerprint but dosage can be done ( for test cypionate only ) with a standard substance no other way. If you are calculating the area do you know that the area is so variable that has not analytical value ? You or the guy who done this could become a doctor if he discover a cheaper method ( the one you posted here ) to determine dosage. Do you imagine how much money will be saved in all factories over the world if you prove that dosage can be determined without standard. This guy can get rich with such a inovation, probably his thesis will be published in Nature magazine right away.
Buddy, these are not testing by ANGUS. So let that go.
You've had bad lab analysis results many years ago. I remember and I'm sure you do aswell.
A standard is used by this lab
Example: Primo E cannot be quantitative tested because this lab does not have a standard yet.
I use other licensed labs for testing also.
These are actual labs that test samples for legal means. Not some university "freebie" test. Just let ANGUS go my friend. He isn't involved here.
Angus had a better scam business setup and better answers. Your answers are totally lame and you acctualy do not answer anything regarding your labs just acting like a gang of crooks
In risk of being known as a ashop fanboy I would like to give my impute. We truly do not know the accuracy of these test is 3/6% or 20/50 %. I think making a conclusion on choice of gear from this test is wrong. We need to prove these test right or wrong before we make decisions on them. I personally believe the test results on dosing is off. Not because of labs but because of what is needed to find the true dosing. We need a true blind test to find the truth. I do believe they can tell purity on raws but past that I have my doubts. If we can prove we have a independent lab that produces true result we are golden.
Read your post here this is awesome and hats off to u fina. This same process came up with Angus and his testing. This is testing with the same method and I thought all it could do was test for substance and not dose it accurate. Even couple mods said this. It's all over my head and me and the community would like to know for sure if this is an accurate way to test. So thank u for caring about eriods and helping make this happen same to the rest involved
No, the testing method by ANGUS was qualitative and not quantitative. So his "purity" was probably not valid. A quantitative (concentration present mg/mL) test is very valid. My recent tests posted, extremely valid.
Thanks for clarifying. This is over my head and I'm no chemist lol. Thanks for what u been doin for this community and hopefully u and fina can put this together. This is why tend to stay out of these type of discussion. It will be awesome to prove the validity of these test by another lab and type of testing to compare. Btw sending u an fr like to test a few things myself in the near future
but how about putting these test results with the bad serum levels on a recent blood test that actually prompted this lab to be done? I think seeing this after that lab does make it much more conclusive. For me at least it does for sure. seeing just one or the other you can make an argument about it, but seeing them together to me makes it a no brainer. just my opinion anyways
Zero value. Run search for Angus and ashop threads and read threads on this subject . I proved that MS are zero value. I can not believe how there are some people who still bring discussion about them
I dont really know shit about testing but what if a different member sent in another sample from that exact same batch of bp test e ( 009) to the same lab and the results matched jellos sample? Would that make these results "worthy"?
My problem with that is I do not know that are really the same batch. Not saying they are but I know plenty of sources use bullshit batch #s.So if the test came back different then we still would not know the truth. We need to remove as many variables as possible.
I would like to think if Balkan is an actual licensed pharmaceutical grade company then the batch numbers should be accurate and not just something slapped on the bottle to make it look official.
Yea you got a point there. According to alin bp is gmp certified and the moldovan government tests every batch for quality before its ever put onto the market. If the batch is approved its released to the public, if it fails its destroyed. If this is true i would think the batch #'s would be accurate, but again if true this batch would never have been approved for release. So maybe your rite and theres some other explanation for why the tests came out the way they did, iunno, but hope we can figure it out.
You're right. We personally don't know shit about this lab and their procedures and credentials.not saying nobody does but I know I personally don't.so you are right, as for me I personally wouldnt know 100% that these are worthy of posting. But if somebody can come out and prove the legitimacy of everything then will honestly be able to say without a doubt there is a problem here.the answer at the moment, like I said you are absolutely correct.for all we know this could be another Angus type of test. I'm going to assume it is not, but until proven one way or the other it is smart not to jump to conclusions too quickly.I will give you that part for sure
Anonhttp://www.kdanalytical.com/instruments/technology/gc-ms.aspx
PROPER CALIBRATION.....So again on your result where is standard reference substance comparation
?
I will paste here again what I wrote in another thread
Stop using google and posting here links without understanding the basic principle.
At the time I proved Angus being a scammer my professor ( who is a friend of mine, I do not have such skills ) found only one method using MS for testosterone cypionate to determine dosage but method imply usage of standard substance. All analyses here that are posted now and were posted in the past do not use any standard substance for comparation. Without it is impossible to determine dosage. Also a analyse should be very detailed including lot of calculations What you posted here was done by a freshman student who know better photoshop than chemistry.
Repeating myself
One simple thing: Test enanthate enters decompositions ( melting then burning ) at arround 30 Celsius. GSMS is heating to 200 Celsius to make it volatile and test it. At that point testosterone enanthate is already destroyed. So for sure this analyse here is FAKE. I never said you fake it but some guys are manipulating you.
A "Standard" is used in this test to give quantitative test result. Other peaks are identified as oils/etc. Please do not insult me or J with this ANGUS theory. I think it's best to let this go. There is nothing fake about this test or other recent lab reports that I've posted by licensed toxicology labs. So what do you want. Another test done......one that's stamped "Expert Tox" and signed by the testing scientist that has a PHD? J has more of the BalkenTest E 250 that could be tested. Questionable blood work and now this lab report......maybe you should look more closely at what's being sold instead of attacking eRoids members. This is what this site is for.
You've had bad lab analysis results many years ago. I remember and I'm sure you do aswell.
Please answer few questions:
1.
So how you could determine the concentration of the product without standards ? Concentration means quantitative determination
2.
GS is used for volatile materials. In order to be able to test a product you need to heat it to 200 celsius or so to vaporize and analyze it.
Testosterone enanthate once reach 40 celsius will decompose and destroy totally .
Those be facts I am sure your analyses are fake. And a lame fake..
Once you answer we continue. I just have enough with such crooks and oportunists here who want to make money selling fake labs and manipulate people
Looked over the tests. Thats very funny. Who sold you those papers ? Very idiotic analyses I can start going to a specialist and show you exactly how he made up this. Does not even look like a ms analyses result. I already proved to Angus that MS can not be used for dosage only for identification. I think you can use search function
Sorry but i tought i proved for all normal people how MS can be used. Why you come with such papers now ? Is like you would post a EKG done with MS. The same accuracy ( dosage ca not be determined by MS is only a scam )
AnonReally man? You want to come at me like that and try to call my credibility into play? Is that really how you want to go about defending yourself?
Like I said I didnt have anything against you but to come here and accuse me of trying to scam anyone or make anything up is some childish shit.
All I did was post the results of the sample because bloodwork on this same product has been coming back mediocre at best.
If you or anyone else has somewhere else that can perform another test I was gladly submit a sample.
In the meantime dont take every subpar lab result as a personal attack trying to destroy your massive empire, it really reeks of insecurity. Did I flame you or call you a scammer? No, I simply posted the lab results I received.
Jellotrip,I did not put your credibility into play. You posted such analyses that will make any chemist laugh. Please read my old threads with me and angus and after you educate yourself read again what you have posted here. I did not said you fake them, there is another "specialist" who is here playing .
I do not need to defend myself, products quality speak for themselves, People love my products and I am the only source who is able to do real testing and I know what I sell. Thats why I am really offended when someone post such BS..
What massive empire ? Are you sarcastic or what ? I am a source who servers his customers as best as a source can and I am a honest source that is selling real products and I can stand up for my products at any time of day or night. I never attacked you because I am sure you did not produced those lab results. Those results are produced by a new Angus or the old one maybe who knows....
Hitman187Alin, i dont know shit about testing so i cant make an argument for either side. you mentioned before the moldovan gov't tests every batch before its released. Can you get a copy of the tests on this batch to post? That way it will put any doubt to rest.
Look in the lab test section. You have governamental lab results there plus lab results done by a independent lab test. There are too many labs already. Anything else you need just ask.
Also look through all the pages for my testing to understand the complexity of such a test then compare with those pages here and you will understand
Anonhttps://www.eroids.com/pics/testosterona-e-250mgml-by-balkan-pharmaceuti...
You mean these lab results that aren't even viewable anymore?
hmmm please ask mods why are not viewable. I will upload tomorrow a analyse again
My friend I will not even look gor your results done on MS. I already proved once that steroids can not be corectly tested on MS and here on forum on other places are different scammers who run such tests for profit. Please look for Angus discussionss and how I proved that he is a scammer. I absolutely reject this practice to test steroids by ms ( in fact they do such papers on photoshop probs ) and smear good sources. Just run a search for Angus and ashop threads read them learn and not throw money anymore on such tests. Such tests are scamming 100%. Get a real lab that is doing HPLC let them present the method to verify them then I agree to send my samples and your samples and test. If my products come underdosed i pay 20.000 USD. Just finish with such ms fake tests and loose my time those BP products are not made in the kitchen or so
Goes to show no one lab can be fully trusted. +1
Is it me....or does that crimping on the vial looks kinda sketchy? My Compound Pharmacy vials don't look like that. My favorite UGLs crimping doesn't look that shakey. Maybe I'm just trippin.
Do not try to move attention from your fake laboratory analyses. Answer questions or cut the bullshit
AnonNo you are right. Guess I also should have taken a pic of the top metal piece that damn near ripped off just trying to get the cap off.
All the Balkan and sp tops are kinda sketcjy
AnonYeah I have noticed that as well.
Interesting.....I don't know much about manufacturing and whatnot....but it looks like it was "hand-crimped". Maybe AShop is getting scammed also?
Shakey crimping, bad blood work, bad lab analysis that's not valid unless it's posted by the source....maybe it's just a bad coincidence and the gear is really GTG.
Yes you are nobody because you come with fucking fake tests having zero knowledge about testing. Just a oportunist or a guy paid for who knows why ..
HAILRAZOR stop bullshiting people. Nothing is hand crimped. Thats exactly how the machine is making vials. This type of crimper is something that is rotate arround it and make them exactly how you see them. The alluminium tops are soft and that is the result.
You are the guy who come with those fake labs ? I understand then LOL
Let me search for a video from BP inside the factory...
You need a new crimping machine.
Do not try to move attention from your fake laboratory analyses. Answer questions or cut the bullshit
Noone complained but you are bothered now by everything.
Guys like you who do not like fair competition hacking this forum or comming with fake labs are easy to recognize
AnonPerhaps...I also wonder if this test had shown it to be properly dosed if the src would still call it fake and inaccurate.
Yes, I have contacted BFG long time ago when Angus offered me to test my products by MS and I explained that MS lab tests are not valid for dosage.
Sources will stand behind a serum blood test using LC/MS/MS (Mass Spec) ng/dL. It's easy to still "spin" a questionable result in their favor. But testing the actual product using LC/MS/MS (Mass Spec) mg/mL isn't so easy to "spin" if the result is shit. So the fix is to question that test. See where I'm going with this.
Testosterone Serum 2400 ng/dL
Test E 250mg Sample
162.9 mg/mL (actual concentration)
Another thing.....why is it that I have access to these types of tests and some sources don't? I'm nobody. Makes me wonder if some are just kids ordering powders off the net blindly. As long as the label is nice and it shows up in 2-4 days....and they call me bro 10 times all should be GTG?
I have access to all kinds of testing. I think you were here for long so I do not understand how you can promote MS as being good after Angus with his MS was proved all ways totally fake. What is your interest ? What you have to win ? Why you do not post all pages of the analyse ? I want to see all calculations and everything so I can point all mistakes. How you could determine dosage without standard ? Comparing with what ? MS is doing identification comparing with fingerprint but dosage can be done ( for test cypionate only ) with a standard substance no other way. If you are calculating the area do you know that the area is so variable that has not analytical value ? You or the guy who done this could become a doctor if he discover a cheaper method ( the one you posted here ) to determine dosage. Do you imagine how much money will be saved in all factories over the world if you prove that dosage can be determined without standard. This guy can get rich with such a inovation, probably his thesis will be published in Nature magazine right away.
Buddy, these are not testing by ANGUS. So let that go.
You've had bad lab analysis results many years ago. I remember and I'm sure you do aswell.
A standard is used by this lab
Example: Primo E cannot be quantitative tested because this lab does not have a standard yet.
I use other licensed labs for testing also.
These are actual labs that test samples for legal means. Not some university "freebie" test. Just let ANGUS go my friend. He isn't involved here.
Angus had a better scam business setup and better answers. Your answers are totally lame and you acctualy do not answer anything regarding your labs just acting like a gang of crooks
AnonOh well, ultimately its up to the individual if they want to risk it. Plenty of other great labs with properly dosed gear.
Thanks for testing. 20k?
AnonI'm sure the check is in the mail lol. I'll split it with ya
He prolly meant 20,000 Russian Rubels. That's less than $400. Maybe he'll give you a store credit.
AnonMaybe he'll just let us in on the next promo lol
Damn...nailed all 3 of my source requirements
Anonlmao its all good bro!
In risk of being known as a ashop fanboy I would like to give my impute. We truly do not know the accuracy of these test is 3/6% or 20/50 %. I think making a conclusion on choice of gear from this test is wrong. We need to prove these test right or wrong before we make decisions on them. I personally believe the test results on dosing is off. Not because of labs but because of what is needed to find the true dosing. We need a true blind test to find the truth. I do believe they can tell purity on raws but past that I have my doubts. If we can prove we have a independent lab that produces true result we are golden.
Exactly. I found a real lab who is doing hplc testing in switzerland. Prices are also normal. They do not do MS for dosage normally
Read your post here this is awesome and hats off to u fina. This same process came up with Angus and his testing. This is testing with the same method and I thought all it could do was test for substance and not dose it accurate. Even couple mods said this. It's all over my head and me and the community would like to know for sure if this is an accurate way to test. So thank u for caring about eriods and helping make this happen same to the rest involved
No, the testing method by ANGUS was qualitative and not quantitative. So his "purity" was probably not valid. A quantitative (concentration present mg/mL) test is very valid. My recent tests posted, extremely valid.
Thanks for clarifying. This is over my head and I'm no chemist lol. Thanks for what u been doin for this community and hopefully u and fina can put this together. This is why tend to stay out of these type of discussion. It will be awesome to prove the validity of these test by another lab and type of testing to compare. Btw sending u an fr like to test a few things myself in the near future
No Brutha all is good. We as customers need this type of testing. But, the testing needs to be accurate.
A source saying you can't test a finished product for mg/mL is no different than me saying LabCorp can't test testosterone serum levels. Same thing.
P2i2tbut how about putting these test results with the bad serum levels on a recent blood test that actually prompted this lab to be done? I think seeing this after that lab does make it much more conclusive. For me at least it does for sure. seeing just one or the other you can make an argument about it, but seeing them together to me makes it a no brainer. just my opinion anyways
I am not defending the gear. I do not know if it is great or shit. All I know is we need to know if these tests are worthy of posting or not.
Zero value. Run search for Angus and ashop threads and read threads on this subject . I proved that MS are zero value. I can not believe how there are some people who still bring discussion about them
Hitman187I dont really know shit about testing but what if a different member sent in another sample from that exact same batch of bp test e ( 009) to the same lab and the results matched jellos sample? Would that make these results "worthy"?
My problem with that is I do not know that are really the same batch. Not saying they are but I know plenty of sources use bullshit batch #s.So if the test came back different then we still would not know the truth. We need to remove as many variables as possible.
AnonI would like to think if Balkan is an actual licensed pharmaceutical grade company then the batch numbers should be accurate and not just something slapped on the bottle to make it look official.
Hitman187Yea you got a point there. According to alin bp is gmp certified and the moldovan government tests every batch for quality before its ever put onto the market. If the batch is approved its released to the public, if it fails its destroyed. If this is true i would think the batch #'s would be accurate, but again if true this batch would never have been approved for release. So maybe your rite and theres some other explanation for why the tests came out the way they did, iunno, but hope we can figure it out.
P2i2tYou're right. We personally don't know shit about this lab and their procedures and credentials.not saying nobody does but I know I personally don't.so you are right, as for me I personally wouldnt know 100% that these are worthy of posting. But if somebody can come out and prove the legitimacy of everything then will honestly be able to say without a doubt there is a problem here.the answer at the moment, like I said you are absolutely correct.for all we know this could be another Angus type of test. I'm going to assume it is not, but until proven one way or the other it is smart not to jump to conclusions too quickly.I will give you that part for sure