posted Mon, 01/23/2012 - 15:44
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short cycles VS LONG CYCLES ?
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wondering which you guys prefer and why? Do you prefer short cycles for less time OFF... or do you prefer longer cycles to get MAX GAINS? (followed by 12 weeks of nada)..I read that results are dead nuts either way you chose to cycle by the end of the year.. and there are some health "benifits" to shorter cycles..any advice is good advice..and always appreciated!!! thanks bros. reason I am asking is I am starting a cycle soon and just going back and forth in my head as to which way to go...
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I am a big fan of cruising and blasting. I go heavy for a few months and then cruise at a low test dosage for a few months.
I have done several 2 week cycles with 2-4 weeks off. I loved these cycles. I'd usually run 700mg a week of Prop with a frontload so I would have a decent amount of gear in my system. I also did a gram a week with a frontload once without noticing much of a difference in effect. I experimented with 9-12 days of actual injections so that on day 14 my body was back to getting natural production running again. I felt good on these cycles. I had no sides, weight would start going up on about day 4 and strength gains were constant even during the off weeks. I was able to eat big during the ON weeks and would drop carbs and calories in the OFF weeks which allowed these cycles to give my body a fairly decent recomposition. Using these short cycles I gained no more than 5 lbs but I got MUCH leaner, thus I ended up looking bigger at nearly the same bodyweight.
Recently I decided to start a longer cycle with a lower dose (500mg a week). I am currently about to start week 5 right now and will likely go to 12 weeks. I will say that my weight is jumping up pretty steady to the point where felt that I was simply bulking up (which is not what I wanted, I want to recomp). I was holding some water and I decided to cut back on calories and carbs and try to adjust this cycle as a recomp rather than just trying to put on pure weight. As result I have dropped some weight but have gotten leaner and much stronger. So far I have had only a bit of very light acne on my right tricep. Other than that, I have no physical side effects.
With my brief experience it seems that short cycles are absolutely great for recomposition and slow/steady strength gains. My longer cycle (again I am only at week 5 so I can't truly say I have done a long cycle) has yielded MUCH quicker/easier weight gain as well as strength gains. I don't really think anyone needed to hear this from me, I am sure everyone could have figured out that longer cycles will give bigger/quicker gains.
Knowing this stuff now though has me considering short cycles for part of the year to build muscle without putting on any unwanted weight, then transitioning into one long cycle that is gear towards purely cutting. Essentially this would seemingly allow me to put on solid muscle without a drastic increase in pure weight or bodyfat, then get as lean as possible...then start the whole thing over again.
I have only done 12 week cycles, but I have thought about running a prop cycle at like 700mg per week for six weeks. I'm sure that would be some nice gains.
Would it be worth it to run longer esters like say test e @ 300 2x a week for 8 weeks (running the test e /prop the first 4?) I know the test e is exactly what it is -.. A LONG ester, and I know that longer cycles of test e would BETTER benifit me in terms of gains.. but is it possible to get similar gains running prop/e for the first 4 - then go straight through with the test e for the remaining 4? tne also? yes no? any help is greatly appreciated bros as always!
not really because if you stop at 8 then you still got another 12 days before you can start PCT. The only sensible way to run a short cycle using long esters is to frontload and run prop first week till the test-e kicks, then at week 6 prop taper to week 8.
Thanks for all the input guys. I am considering either a test e/ dbol - test e/prop cycle (possibly tne in the mix).. just wondering which one would be best overall.I know prop is good, and "less strenuous" on the liver than say dbol, but It's also substantially more expensive. I'm somewhat novice, and want to get good gains, but not lose 75% when I come off. Right now I'm 6 ft 1 250, just want to bulk a bit, then try and cram a cut before summer. IDK, might not be a realistic goal I'm trying to set here. anyone have experience with both? suggestions?
I like short cycles, ive done a couple 30day cycles that have given me the best results, im just comimg off a long one now and the results are no different then when I ran short ones.
Resurrecting an old thread, apologies if this is annoying.
Would it be insane to use a shorter cycle as my first cycle?
(I can't commit 12 full weeks + PCT for a cycle right now, my work won't let that happen. But I have breaks where I can try a shorter cycle.)
Or should I not bother unless I can commit the 12 weeks?
Anonpreach!
Anonthis is nothing more than a preference in my opinion.. short vs long ester gear in cycles.
I would bet my left nut I could pack on the same gains with a short 8 week cycle with short ester gear that someone could get in a 12-14 week cycle.. so its all the same.
My personal experience:
Longer cycles of 12-16 weeks best overall NET gains
Shorter cycles 4-6 weeks best overall GROSS gains
This took me years to figure out and fine tune. I prefer longer cycles over shorter because I can't handle the rubber-band effect I get after the short cycles are done.
I don't like short cycles. Have always ran at least 10 weeks, even at low to moderate doses. Usually run longer than that.
As I got older I realized the value of ancillaries and feel much better overall while on and recover better as well.
I'm going to be totally honest, I have never used injectables. I have cycled orals with decent results before, but most of my gains have come from good eating, and good old fashioned hard work. I am 31, & This will be my "first" cycle. I'm planning on running test e, and dbol. test @ 500-600mg/wk (weeks 1-12). dbol @ 30-40mg/ day split into 4 doses spread through out the day (weeks 1-5)going to have nolva for pct running it 40/40/40/20 starting 2 1/2 -3 weeks after my last pin. I would like to add hcg, but haven't found a good source for it as of yet. What do you think? then nolva after hcg.
post up a new thread for your questions.
ok roid. will do brother, and thanks for all your insight. It's def. appreciated man.
"As I got older I realized the value of ancillaries and feel much better overall while on and recover better as well."- - what ancillaries do you take while on? low dose of adex? and what is ur pct regimen if you dont mind my asking . thanks ahead.