CLEN vs VAR FOR CUTTING.
Do you prefer var or clen ? I will be starting a test e - prop - deca cycle soon, have some clen on hand. I understand that the two are not very similar in that var gives you increased vascularity, and a harder appearence, as well as sheds fat off you, and clen is simply a fat burner. Point is I don't want to spend 200 plus on var if I can attain similar results with just the prop test and deca with a lil clen in the mix. Also, I hear clen when used for long periods of time leads to enlarged heart, amongst other things.Anyv other nasty sides besides the shakes? Has anyone had any BAD experiences with clen? IDK, I have never run clen before.. used var with good results, but not really tryna spend an absorbant amount of cash unnecessarily. Thanks bros.
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When you are building muscle you are helping the fat burning process because muscle burns more caloires than fat. So in theory if you are building muscle on cycle and your caloires remain the same or get lowered you should burn fat. People think that lifting wieght is not aerobic when it is...not like running or using a machine for cardio but it is aerobic
Not only is lifting an aerobic, it's better for increasing your overall metabolism.
Cardio will increase your metabolism for about a half hour after you stop; then it goes back down to normal.
Lifting will increase your metabolism for up to 48 hours before returning to normal.
If you're lifting every other day, your metabolism will be consistently higher.
Mate they are two totaly different compounds. Clen is a thermogenic and Var is AAS. They both have totaly different roles and effects. Clen will strip off the fat so that you can see the Var has increased your visual appearence. You wont look hard if you still have a layer of fat covering the muscle. This is being very basic with these two compounds. All I was trying to point out is the vast difference mate. I suggest that you research both compounds and make a choice from there.
THANKS WALLABOKKIE. I know the difference (chemically)- and the difference between the effects of the two compounds. I hope I didn't sound uneducated. I have used var, never used clen. Just wondering If it was similar to var, in the sense that var got me cut up,(on top of it's job of increasing vascularity and giving the hard appearence.) I realize that clen is just a thermogenic, and gives it's results by increasing body temperature, and helping to shed fat. Basicly I was wondering if there were two people with the same goal in mind, and one took var, one took clen, who would have more of a cut appearence?
I know var's primary effect is not weightloss, but I have had good results with var, and managed to lose weight on it, although it's not var's primary effect. Just wondering if clen would have worked better basically.
Mate if stripping is your focus then Clen. If you are dieting for a BB comp and want to improve the visual side then Var.
So much info on the web and everyone says something different...how the fuck does a person sort thru all of it??
I am currently 43 250lbs and about 18% body fat. I am using 500mg cyp 1x week/ 200mg Primo 1x week/ 60mg Var ed and clen. I have shed fat for shit sure, not sure how much yet but it is def noticable.
As for the var...I have read on several sites and not just the forums that var will help you get hard and she fat!! I beleive this to be true. If your diet is good it does help the fat eating fat loss process along at a much quicker rate
Nice patriot. So you are currently running clen AND var together? along with your current cycle? WOW. seems like you have a lot going on. I can see this is far from your first cycle bro!! HAHA. You're right, hit the nail on the head to be honest bro.. It gets a little confusing for newcomers, when there is so much info out there - both good and bad. Thanks for your input bro - I appreciate it!
Var is used for cutting and they say it helps with fat burining and I believe that is true. There is no reason why you shouldnt use it with clen ...as a matter of fact var & clen are used together in many stacks. The best thing to do is keep researching, do your home work and ask questions.
Diet is good bro.I really don't need to burn fat right now, I just know that with running this cycle I am going to put on weight, some of which being water weight. Looking to minimalize the amount of water retention and or fat. I understand that good diet is key (to minimalize fat gain) and sodium intake increases water retention as well as just the water retention involved with the juice.. I guess I look too far ahead sometimes. You're right man - baby steps!
Thanks everyone for your input. I guess I will steer clear of the clen, and just do what I set out to do. test e deca and prop. = )
aikasvar is a double edge sword.
AnonIf your body fat is not int he single digits, you will NOT see any cutting effects from anavar...it is not a fat loss pill
thanks hrdbdy grl. I am not in the single digits yet, but last time I took var I got pretty cut up and really good vasc. Maybe my bf% isn't as high as I think.OR- Maybe I'm a mutant ; ) LOL. I intend on getting my bf% measured asap tho.
AnonYou should see an increase in vascualrity but you won't see the dryness and cuts that you would/should see everywhere not just in certain places.. it is quite possible that your not as fat as you think you are.
lol hrdbdygrrrl, thanks I THINK! I haven't got my bf% measured yet, but I am going to this week. The first thing I noticed was a strength increase, then the veins started poppin out like a roadmap, then more towards the end I noticed I was a lot more defined. Maybe not to the point that a pro bodybuilder would be, but I know my body, afterall I see it everyday : P So I did take notice to the results. I am hoping that this time I will notice even greater results, as I am assing new compounds to my cycle, and starting my first inj. cycle. If I wasn't scuuured, I'd post some before/after pics.. still debating putting them out there tho. ; / since anyone belonging to the site can view them.
I dont think the two compare clen will burn fat thats what it does but anavar only asists in burning fat as well i giving you some nice strength gains
I noticed a decent amount of strength gain running var, but at this point not as concerned with that aspect of it. moreso looking to cut up.. Clen? Have you used clen jpal, and what was your experience?
Yes i have used clen i dont really like it i get to jittery and that causes me anxiety so i stay away from it i have lots of friends male and female that use it and like it, they go 2 weeks on 2 weeks off and start with a low dose and build your way up
Yeah heard that it does cause shakes etc. but I am not easily affected by stimulants, so I figured I'd be ok in that department.. Just more concerned about the "heart" issues some say it causes. What starting dose 20-40 mcg? I probably won't run it.. Just curious as to what it would do, and what changes it may or may not make to one's physique/sides etc. Sometimes a first - hand account of the use of such compound outweighs contradictory statements made on such a substance. Not trying to take shortcuts, or have anyone do my homework for me - I Just really appreciate good advice from senior membs that have put in their time, and who have been in my shoes.Anyone can go online and get both good and bad information on these compounds. Personally I would rather hear from the horses mouth instead. Thanks everyone, I always take into consideration the advice, and knowledge passed on by you guys! Hey, I made the choice to NOT run dbol with my current (1st inj) cycle based on advice given by senior membs. here, so I hope everyone knows I really do appreciate your advice, and your words DEF. do NOT FALL ON DEAF EARS.Thank you!
If you do decide to add in the Clen start at 20mcg. Generally people will run that for 3 days then increase up 20mcg every 3 days until you reach about 120mcg (men only). This doesn't hold true for everyone though. The thing is the side effects should not be so harsh they interfere with your life. Yes, your going to shake, but if you feel like you're going to have a heart attack, the dose is too high. Try to stay at the lowest dose for the longest time you can. If the sides totally disappear then bump it up a little. You can look at cycles all day, but you have to listen to your own body. Also, only run it for 2 weeks. Then 2 weeks off. Alternate if you need through the cycle, but if you get to a point where you've accomplished what you were going for then stop using it. I don't recommend taking Keto with it and staying on it longer than 2 weeks at a time. In my opinion Clen can help if used properly and in moderation. Just listen to your body.
Thanks beachbdygrl for the advice. Have you ever heard of people getting enlargemed hearts from using this compound? any long term sides that you know of? I try and do my best research, but like I always say, sometimes it is better to speak with those that have used these compounds, and know better - like you said - their effects on the body. Thanks again!
In doing research I have read the same, but I don't actually know of anyone who has had any harsh side effects. I'm not saying it doesn't happen. I just don't know of anyone it has happened to. The biggest side effect I have heard complaints about is the shaking. However, that's part of it. It's just not for everyone. This is my first cycle using it and I really like the results I'm seeing so far. I have just noticed that more is not always better and I had to adjust my doses according to the way I felt not what everyone else seems to be doing. I am also running it with Var as well.