First Cycle Help for Bulking
As I have done my research for workout routines and great eating habits for years and have been training and eating right for many years now i feel that I am ready to start my first bulking cycle. I would like to start on orals rather than injectables as i know that it will take more experience and know how to do so. I have been on this site for about 3 years now and seen many posts of diet and training and i know that i am doing the right thing as far as that. I consume an ample amount of calories, and protien during the day as well as eating clean and eating right. Staying away from the junk food for many years and staying focused in the gym has been my priority for many many years. I turned 31 this past December and believe i am ready for my first bulking cycle. I am asking for the best advice on what to take as far as orals as well as injectables to further my knowledge. I would also like to be directed to know the best dosages for certain progressive days of the week and a great PCT timing and the recommenadtions of a liver defender. Thank you all for your help i look forward to feedback and info guys. I will take all advice and info carefully and safely. Eat big, train big...RLTW
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Gentlemen, thank you for all of you great advice. I've come to the decision to first increase my caloric intake by 500 daily, and see where that gets me for a month or two. I will also do more research on test e, and test p as well as a PCT before i think of buying anything. I am learning a lot here and I like the feedback i'm getting. Please if anyone can even PM a great workout routine and a great eating regiment that i can bounce mine off of that would be great. I want to make aboslutely sure that i am doing the right thing before i get into AAS. Thanks guys i knew i could count on great feedback to make a smart decision.
Tank you for all of your advice, although i have been on this site for 3 years im not always able to access it due to me being military and being deployed often. The reason i would like to start an actual cycle now is because I'm not deploying for the next year and half since im In going through a new military school program and have time to eat right, lift right and get the right info. As far as my weight, i weighed myself in the morn and i came in at 190 on 3 different scales and my BF% is still 7% I may have miscalculated my calorie intake i can admit but im not trying to BS anyone. I just want the right info from expeirienced people such as yourselves. As of today my caloric intake is 5,000 and its 9pm. I may even have a small meal just before bed. I get plenty of sleep at night about 8hrs so i know sleep is no issue. So in your guy's opinion what is my best option. Eating alone is not giving me the gains i seek and i lift properly and train well. My strength is up and rising but no mass gains. I realize from the replies that i cannot just simply take orals to get size and strength gains i have to do injectables as well. So what route should I take gentleman. Again any advice is appreciated and i will take it all in. I do not want to make the wrong moves.
"Eating alone is not giving me the gains i seek". If this is true then AAS ll not help you either. You will only gain water weight and lose it after cycle. And it is a good possibility you will lose existing muscle during pct. AAS will increase protein synthesis which will increase caloric demand. If you cannot gain muscle off of your 5000 calories then you will definitely not add muscle on gear at the same intake. V asked for macro split below. If you know that your calorie counting is correct then telling us the macro split is simple. Dont take this the wrong way we just do not want to see you fail. If in fact you are getting 5000a cals a day then you will need to increase by 500 a week until you see an increase in weight. Do not cycle until you see this. Once the scale starts moving without gear then you will have an idea on how to eat when you start. Listen to the guys below. For first cycle run test only. Search the forum for beginners cycle. LOOK AT MY STATS. I HAVE RUN THREE CYCLES AND ONLY GAINED ON MY LAST BECAUSE I WAS FOLLOWING THE SAME TRAIN OF THOUGHT AS YOU. I THOUGHT THE GEAR DID THE WORK...WRONG...IT IS THE KITCHEN THAT WILL GET YOU THERE. LEARN FROM MY MISTAKE DONT WASTE YOUR MONEY ON GEAR UNTIL YOU CAN GAIN WITH FOOD.
Good lad.... i like that input brother... +3
One other thing. I see your body fat is at 7%. This gives the suspicion that you want to stay ripped while gaining weight. If this is true..forget it. There is probably an elite few on this site who can actually recomp with success. Its like chasing for a unicorn at our level. Eat and gain. Then gain some more. Embrace the two pack. The cut once you have reach your short term weight goal.
Sounds like you're coming around to the right path. You dont anything besides test e or c for a first cycle. If you take more compounds and you start to experience bad sides, how will you know what compound is causing the problem? You want to learn your body and how it reacts to just test first. Trust me I thought I knew my body well after 18 years of training, but adding the exogenous hormones is a whole different ball game. You learn a tremendous amount on your first cycle. Plus you prolly wont want to have to pin more than twice a week right out the gates either. Otherwise you'll feel like a pin cushion and hurt all over. Dont underestimate virgin muscle PIP, it can be a bitch. You will make solid gains running test e 500mg per week and feel great to boot.
I think the pre bed meal is important for staying anabolic through the night. Might be bro science but I have a 1600+ calorie shake with whole milk, peanutbutter, 2 scoops whey (I dont do casien since it gives me bad gas) and 150g maltodextrin right before bed every night. Makes a big difference and its easy extra calories.
Sounds like you got a handle on your diet, and you stats seem to prove it. I would research Testosterone Enanthate. Read all about it, dosing and all related sides understand how the compound works, then research Post Cycle Therapy PCT. Test E only is the best first cycle usually 12 week range. Do some research and come back with a cycle layout. I think it's best if you have an understanding of what you are putting in your body other than someone telling you what to do. Take some time to do that then guys will help you out.
I am 5"10 & weight 198 pounds ATM... I am a strong hecto(hard gainer) and i have a hard time getting 6000 cals... If you were eating that many cals a day for such of long period of time you would be over 200 lbs easy... What you say you do & your stats don't match, i believe what you saying is BS & you know it... Like Uncle Viking said below, what are expecting to get from an Oral Only?
Your stats: 6"3...170lbs... 31 y/o
As for my wieght im 190, and i've calculated and today i've consumed 5,000 calories this includes all my actual meals and protein shakes. Thank you for the pointing out of an oral only cycle will give me barely any gains.
Rustyhooker"been here for three years"
Then you know that orals only is the wrong track. Yet you got a full page permission slip from home. Cmon man! You know better!
http://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/its-not-the-gear#commen...
Apparently you need to do some research on AAS bro... and @6'3"/183 the first thing you need to get down is eating. You want to BULK then ramp them cals bro
hey bro, go to blue maynifying glass and type something like beginners cycle- or are you ready for aas.
As far as being ready for AAS guys, i've researched that. My BF% is low enough, i consume between 5,000 and 7,000 a day if not more. My diet and exercize is in line and has been for years. My carb intake is 1.5-2 X's my body weight and my protein intake is 2 X's my body weight.
If you genuinely are consuming those calories then you need to get your thyroid checked. At 6'3" and 183lbs it doesn't add up and you may have an over active thyroid. That's a lot of calories, and I mean a lot, more than most people could eat without throwing up. I'm a greedy so and so and that's what I eat to maintain 260lbs.
As V said, let's take a closer look here do we can help you get this hurdle sorted out.
If you are eating 7000 cals a day : three things: you have an incredible metabolism that doesnt allow you to gain any weight or you have a problem adding(lol), or i cant figure out why you are not gaining lean mass if you are eating 7000 clean cals...i suggest 120000 clean cals and no AAS till you figure this thing out
Show me your daily cal intake and macros please.... what you describe as your intake does not equate to your current weight.
And whats your thinking about the oral only cycle............ tell me what you think they will do in the way of muscle gains.
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Would love to see what has to say!!!