posted Fri, 08/30/2024 - 13:55
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+ 1 Why does prop hurt so bad
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I know being a short ester can be more painful and that mixing it helps but Sus is already mixed and it kicks my ass. Would mixing sus with some grape seed oil help
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Wow, I’m glad that I don’t get pip anymore. I’ve (accidentally) injected .5ml sust500, 1ml deca 500, 1ml mast-e and .5ml mast-p at once (was supposed to only be .5ml deca 500 but I accidentally pulled it the plunger back too far). I’ve also ran test-p exclusively for a few months at a time, usually around 50-100mg eod. Almost always use my quads as it’s the easiest for me to reach & be able to push the plunger easily lol. Back when I used to get pip when I first started, I ordered a 100ml vial of grape seed oil on eBay and I’d wrap the vials in a heating pad until they were basically too hot to touch. Diluting with GSO and heating it helped A LOT. I don’t really get pip anymore though, thank god. I’m probably going to jinx myself now facepalm
Whats you sust mg strength and real sust or test blend? Full layout helps.
Theres a good sust 350 out there thats not sustanon type but cyp enth prop.
The Phart Comicon Sus 500 is the real deal.
Blend it with masteron enth and pin daily or eod for weekly total and pip will be non existant. Sus 500 just needs blending but makes cycle easy for the seasoned guys
Volume maybe? I literally got like near zero pip from my prop. Only .145mL per day though.
Literally zero in delts or ventroglute. Only a very minor amount in quads.
I'm pip sensitive so I definitely have issues with prop. I've never tried cutting it though, but then again I've always pinned around 75mg a pin. Felt cutting that dose was pointless
I never had a problem with prop and i am currently doing daily injections. Sust never gave me A problem either until i switched labs. So I’m pretty sure it depends on the solvents used. Try switching labs. I’m pretty sure you will find something that agrees with you better and will give you less or no pip.
High doses of any test in GSO kills me while MCT causes nothing. Absolutely nothing , maybe it has to do with the amount of BA needed to dissolve the gear @ higher concentrations
Definitely!
Okay that’s what I thought, BA & BB ratio, I mean in all fairness if you have a vial of 400 enth and it’s kicking your ass PIP wise , that’s a good indicator of hormone packed into it. I drug my leg around limping at work for days. Just sucked it the fuck up, mind you aspirin does NOTHING to relieve the PIP
I was using a Sust 350. Switched to a Sust 250 from another lab and you would think the lower dose would have pinned smoother. Nope. I opened another vial and limped around for a week hoping it would get better since i had just ordered 10 vials of it. Then came to realize my body just didn’t agree with the solvents this lab used on there Sust. On the other hand there T400 Primo and there tren E test E all pinned like butter.
You're right it could be the solvents, but like I said earlier the raw powder quality does play a part. The cleaner the better. Also a lot of gear tends to be overdosed on purpose too. Gotta think about that too
True and I think most blends are more likely to have pip too. I try not to do any blends besides sust. But 100% if the raws are dirty all the grape seed oil in the world will not make the pip any better
I'm not into blends myself but I've seen some nice blends. Yea sust is the closest I've come to a blend. Never know. Might look a bit into them.
Prop kicks my ass too.. sust does too. Mixing would help but the propionate ester itself is abrasive but that would cut down on those irritating solvents
Yea grape seed is supposed to help dilute it. Have you used multiple different sources of prop or Sustanon and they all hurt? Or is this the only one you’ve tried? Have you tried warming it first? Where are you pinning and how much are you doing in each shot? Needle size? Are you rotating injection sites? I’ve never had any pip with prop and I ran it exclusively for a year, multiple sources too. Ive only ever had pip from test/tren/winstrol suspensions and injectable anadrol/TNE, but every body’s different
Incase I run into this issue, I know there is a source on here that sells MCT oil to help dilute it. Whats your expierence mixing diffrent oils? I mean oil is oil from my understanding and reading.
Ya I mix shit everyday lol. the only time you gotta be careful is with peptides, I guess there certain peptides that like denatures others.
You can either mix in a sterile vial or just mix each injection in one syringe if you don’t have a sterile vial or don’t feel like ordering them. Like draw up x amount of test and then x amount of oil, shake and warm it up shake again and pin it
Yeah different oils just have different viscosities but all have 100%
mixability
Never tried warming. SP Supertest and Pharmacom Sus 500. Prop in any blend or alone is fucking brutal. Plus the calve aches suck as well.
Damn and you go all out with those high concentrations. You're better than I am lol. That's your main problem...high concentration gear
Those are both high concentrations? That’s probably the problem. Try a regular concentration of 250 or prop 100 and you’ll probably be fine. Or to keep using the ones you have , definitely gotta warm those bitches up and inject slowly and don’t ever inject your calves or are you talking about “back pumps” in the calf?
Something weird was happening when I started using a sources test cyp on here, my fucking hands ached like a bitch it almost felt like they were swollen, any ideas??
Did you pin your delt? So I have a theory on something like that happening to me but I can’t find any one else’s experience with it. I think it’s from hiting an artery. The reason I think this is because I’ve done it before with heroin, it’s excruciating but the further up the arm you are the less severe it is, so if you did it in the wrist you probably would’ve called 911, but since it was either the delt or even farther away from the hand it’s much less severe. It’s very difficult to explain the feeling tho, it feels swollen and tight but also pain on the inside like I’m the tendons right? If you actually pushed some test into the artery then it can be very very painful and very very bad. It just goes away eventually but I think it does damage the capillaries and vessels and shit pretty bad,
Yes the felt. I always put heat on my back and massage the area before and after. Never helped. I never warmed the gear though
I’m hearing you out and I dig it however this is before my 1 inch 25 g pins arrived and it was actually my first touchdown pic on this profile, I was exclusively pinning quads because I can dance around my veins very easily.
Does DHB tend to have these types of side effects? Maybe my estrogen was a little to high I mean I remember the G-Shock feeling a little tight as I was kinda puffing up, didn’t want to crash the estrogen so I’d only .25 adex at a time
Ohhhh ya idk if that’s possible from the quad, if it did happen in the quad it would go to the foot not the hand so forget everything I said lol.
And when I retain water from estrogen unusually don’t get it in my hands and feet, usually just the face and muscle probably watery too but hard to tell unless you’re very lean. Your not on hgh right? And dhb actually I think could lower estrogen kinda like eq does but not positive
Was it dhb or test Cyp? I see test c in your other comment
It was test cyp, I was just getting a different feeling from pinning this test cyp, I was wondering if maybe it had something else in it that would make the hands blow up idk
Never know. I won't even pretend to say what's going on with that
You’re right, I’m not gonna think to deep into it, hasn’t happened in a min so no worries
If it were me I wouldn't even mess with those vials anymore. Those vials that had me feeling strange, I trashed them.
I’m still using that sources test so I have nonfucking clue, he’s a reputable source all seems well, I had swollen hands for like the first two weeks then it subsided..
If I feel an extreme underdosed batch I know to compensate for more .. I’ve been hypo @ 79ng dl and 7400ngdl on 1g of test and everything in between, it’s not hard to gauge
HOT DAMN...7400ng??? Surprised all your features didn't fall off lol
Chuck what was the sources reasoning?
I actually shrugged it all off, if it were to keep continuing, there’s other factors in play too it could have been high estrogen, I don’t have verification proof. I won’t bring anything to the table to the source unless I get my batches tested.
Some crazy stuff happened to me also using a src's test c. Dizziness, blurred vision and BP was fine. Gotta remember all raws aren't of the same quality or could be the oil but that's rare
Even some raw ar the same source could be different
Yep if they are dealing with a few different raw suppliers. Quality could be different amongst them for sure.
Damn don't tell me you pinned prop in your calf....yeah torture
No Dee 1.5cc in my delt. I mean whenever I have prop my calves are always soar.
Really? That's strange. First time I've heard of that. Not saying you're not telling the truth cause I believe ya. But not normal
It’s always possible it could be unrelated but everyone on sus or prop blends I get soar calves. Maybe I just have more ever and I’m going harder and on my feet more. No i dea I just know my calves get soar. Last night I started applying 10% menthol muscle rub. Then heating pad and holy shit does it feel much better today
Yeah that's what I was trying to figure out. Now if you get pumps in your calves then I could understand that but to just be sore in calves after pinning in another location is strange. And yeah menthol does wonders. I keep some around. But better not go around anyone lol
I think he means like how some guys get “back pumps” like from Anavar and stuff, it’s the same thing but just they get it in the calves, instead of the lower back, it’s like a cramp/shin splints
O ok. So yeah that can happen. Glad you cleared that up cause my mind is gone. I need to eat.
I read that too, I hope not! That’s like suicide!
Yep..you said it. Every little step...nooo wayy!
Many people do suffer with bad PIP from prop, not sure what specifically causes it.
Fuck, I ordered a few vials since I was pinning a bit more. I am going to be pissed if i get pip from it. Been using Test C. Ive never had issues with any Test C ive taken, but have been told Test P should not be too bad. Some do say it hurts a little more. Well we shall see boys.