CANNOT sleep on Reta
I've been on Reta for ~8 weeks now. It's been great. No good noise, down 10lbs, all that good stuff.
However, I can't FKIN sleep! We are talking 3-5 hours of sleep a night. I titrated up to 3mg from 1mg and have stayed there for 2 weeks now.
I'm thinking of dropping reta despite the fact that it's amazing for a cut..not only for the reduced food noise but also for its glucagon effect. But if I can't sleep, I can't make gains. So what's the point.
I tried CJC/IPA, Melatonin, Magnesium Glycinate, Fasting before bed, you name it. My problem isn't falling asleep, it's staying asleep.
Anyone have advice?
Edit: Thanks for the tips y'all. I'm going to try the following:
Tonight:
• CJC/IPA (This shit knocks me out. LOVE IT!)
• 2x yogurt with honey 2h before bed ( I need to be 2H fasted for CJC/IPA)
• Double the magnesium glycinate to 320mg
• If I randomly wake up, eat honey
Future:
• If no improvement, lower Reta dose
• Potentially remove reta if zero improvement
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Forgot to update this. I scored a 92 sleep score yesterday night.
7 hours of actual sleep time (I had to get up for work)
2 hours of REM sleep (!)
1.5 hours of deep sleep
What made the difference was eating yogurt and honey before bed. Reta crashes your blood sugar while asleep, which spikes cortisol and wakes you up. Carbs / sweets before bed keeps your blood sugar stable and keeps you asleep.
That, combined with CJC IPA, gave me the best sleep I've had in months.
Will post pic of sleep score in the morning when I'm on my PC. Going to bed now, Just had a rice krispie and CJC/IPA. I'm out!
has this trend continued? Im at the breaking point man. This isnt my first time running 4mg of Reta, but im locked in more than ever and would honestly give up reta for quality sleep and recovery.
Whats the point if my sleep is absolutely fucked.
Sorry for the late response my bro.
It was inconsistent. I talked to my coach and we increased my calories by 400 (still in a deficit) and moved one of my meals closer to bedtime (1-2 hours before bedtime). I'm also on 1.5mg reta down from 3mg.
That did the trick and I've been able to stay asleep for the last 7 days or so. My deficit was about 1k so that definitely played a part, amongst everything else.
I went from 4 back down to 2. I’d rather have to fight a little harder to diet than get sub optimal sleep. One is discipline the other is outta my hands.
How much are a deficit are you in? Try increasing your calories if possible. My body was in fight or flight which is what fucked my sleep.
The scale was also stagnant for 4 weeks prior to this. My coach increased my calories and I'm down 2 lbs and have better sleep.
Try some magnesium, gaba, and glycine supplements an hour before bed. Works well for me. Regular melatonin use can disrupt your natural production in my experience.
HGH helped me big time. That and ZMA before bed.
I read some studies saying the glucagon effect doesn't truly kick in until 4mg per week.
Thanks for the pointers all. Seems like a common side effect of reta. Will try some and update this post.
Huh. I've been having sleep issues lately but I had not thought it might be due to the reta. It started when I began ramping up doses of AAS, which is pretty common for me - same issue with staying asleep, waking around 1 or 2 am and having a hard time returning to sleep etc. I plan to taper off the reta in a few weeks and will monitor.
The one side I get very strongly is the skin sensitivity. Sometimes it feels like my soft cotton t-shirts are all made of sandpaper.
bigbottle500Same thing happened to me!! I actually ended up just starting to wake up at 3 am and doing administrative work. It actually became one of my best most productive times. I ended up losing about 5o pounds and now I am bulking. Dropped dose down to 4mg per week split into 2 doses and I sleep much better. DSIP helped some I would use it 3 times per week.
Hahaha dude, SAME! I did become productive after waking up. And funnily enough, I never woke up tired even after only 3h of sleep. I think that's because of the CJC/IPA.
I did feel refreshed (until the afternoon comes and I start dozing off at work)
Congrats on your weight loss bro! I'm about 15lbs away before I can FINALLY end this cut and start a cycle. I can't wait to EAT!
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Thanks homie
Yeah im with you there man. I'm running 4mg right now and my sleep is noticeably worse. I went from poor sleep on cycle for 16 weeks to amazing sleep once all the compounds clear, back to crappy. Thats the kicker with Reta, at higher doses its gonna mess with ur RHR. IMO anything less than 4mg is just boujie tirz - from what I understand you don't get much of a glucagon hit under that dose.
Im gonna stay at 4mg because im a sick fuck, but if I did want to drop i'd prolly switch to tirz.
The 4MG glucagon effect is a common misunderstanding due to some youtube video that went around. The glucagon effect exists at every dose level, it just up in effectiveness at 4MG
I'm with you though. I might just go back to 1MG.
Yeah I’ve heard a ton of opinions but got a general consensus that it really cascades at higher doses.
That’s a heavy dose for 8 weeks, I’ve been in way longer than that an just now getting to that dose, and going from 1mg -3mg is a huge ass increase, try lowering your dose and splitting it to twice a week
I'm with you. I did titrate to 3.5mg and could barely move for a while. I moved back to 2MG and that was the sweet spot for me for a while.
But, that was before I hopped on TRT. When I started 150mg TRT, I got hungry af needed to up the dose. Now, 3MG feels like how 2MG did.
I can still try lowering it though and see what happens. Forgot to mention I do pin twice a week.
I made the fucking mistake of adding .5mg of cag bc I had the same issue as u, feeling like 3mg was hitting like 2mg so I added .5mg of cag and fuck, I couldn’t eat shit for 2 days, couldn’t even watch a good commercial without getting nauseous, I had to drop the cag
That happened to me when I first started. What I realized was I titrated up too fast.
I stopped taking Reta for I believe a week or two, then went back down to 1mg split twice a week and titrated up even slower. This essentially resolved my sleep issue and lowered my RHR (initially raised 15ish bpm but was lower the second go around)
How bad did it raise your resting heart rate? If your RHR is elevated you won’t sleep or get good sleep regardless how much melatonin or sleep drugs you take.
My RHR went up between 10-20bpm depending on the day. It's sitting at 79bpm right now.
I take a 5mg nebivolol at night. Cuts through that RHR increase and vastly improves my sleep. Just an option if you get desperate
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Have you considered adding tren? You really wont be able to sleep but you also probably wont care. /s
Melatonin is my go to and I reckon any sleeplessness side effects from reta will subside on their own over time.
LOL. If I already can't sleep then may as well take tren right. /s
That's why I like tirz better
Maybe I'll switch to Tirz. The glucagon effect is really what attracted me to Reta though, since I am already disciplined enough to not eat like shit most of the time.
I’d either lower or try split dosing it, that’s what I do. I take magnesium and also 4ius of HGH at night and sleep like a baby. The HGH gives me the most vivid dreams.
Yeah I use CJC / IPA instead of HGH and it's fucking amazing at getting me to fall asleep and also my sleep quality during those 3-5 hours.
Yes and I fixed it.
As soon as you wake up the first time in the night, squirt a bit of honey into your mouth and go back to bed. Simple as that, of course take mag glycinate still. One time I was out of honey and took a small swig of maple syrup, same thing, was able to go back to sleep. I went months without falling back asleep after waking but now it’s smoothed out big time, I don’t even need the honey every night anymore. I’m even on tren for 5 weeks and it still works.
How the hell does this work. LOL. I wonder if it has to do with overnight insulin levels. I'll try it though!
That's something else that fixed my sleep big time on a cut. Not going to bed hungry. I save my biggest meal for an hour before bed with most of my daily carbs and I sleep great. Carbs for sure work for sleep
I have to do the opposite, at least while on a glp. Big meals give me insane heartburn and wakes me up.
What I found works for me is my dinner is eggs yogurt and fruit. Everyone is different though, gotta listen to your body
I've just been doing 4 servings of oats and 2.5 Greek yogurt, nothing too crazy. Never got any digestive issues with glps. Reta just gave me crazy rhr and skin sensitivity
I had to add in daily omeprazole when I run GLP's - Works like a charm to block the heartburn side effect. I'd die without it.
Try lower the dose til you don’t have sleep issues?