posted Thu, 09/10/2026 - 03:58
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+ 1 Are people blaming the drugs when the real problem is their training and diet?
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Feels like a lot of people blame the compound, the brand or the cycle when results aren’t what they expected.
But how often is the real problem just bad training, inconsistent diet and poor recovery?
Curious where you guys draw the line. When do you blame the product, and when do you blame the person usi
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Its because times have changed so much mate - there use to be a time when getting on a Steroid cycle was seen as a big deal and serious decision that you made in your life after A LOT of commitment in the gym over several years, now its just seen as 'what you do' when you are trying to decide which tub of protein you are going to start off on, after you have been going to the gym for a week. Ultimately they are beginners who don't have a fuckin clue how to train properly. There were also various weights that you should be able to hit in various lifts like Bench and Squats while being a natty - if you could hit those then it meant you already a good level of muscle and fully understood the basics in how to build muscle - those times are long gone.
I mean when you have people on gear that we know is def legit. And don't even look like they train. Which is allot of dudes. Then this question answers itself. And when you have people who don't even know how to workout decide to start going to the gym doing juice off the rip.
Your bringing a very good point to light here though. One that allot of people might not like to admit themselves.
Blood test. Proove it
Pipeliner47In a nutshell. Consistency. That's what the body responds best to. Gear,food,training etc if I'm on a bulk bet your ass every meal will be big enough for a struggle to get it all down. But you do have a point I had a shit cycle on some roxi once. I was a beginner and didn't know any better it was wondering what the hell. Then some guys beaker and Angus started testing gear which they turned out to be a total fraud. So it was really up to the users to define what was good back in the day but nowadays there's so many tests being done. Which is great I mean I'd be pissed to find out I was pinning vitamin E oil. Back in the day it was like the wild west but nowadays I think it is safe to assume it would be more on the person not staying consistent. Overall.
I am just getting started but I have learned consistency and hard work over time is the greatest tool and everything else is just supplemental. Don't get me wrong gear fuels results faster but there is no substitute for proper nutrition and hard consistent training.
Only retarded people.
It’s epidemic.
I’ll talk to people at the gym, they’ll lament how they’re not growing despite being on a gram of test, a gram of tren, and however much anadrol.
And without fail, every time I ask about what their calories are at… “idk bro like 5000 at least”.
Okay… walk me through your day of food.
“6 eggs in the morning, then for lunch a steak and maybe a pb&j, and then some chicken and potatoes for dinner. A few snacks maybe but every day is different”
Then I’ll watch them train and some days they’re pushing, other days they’re slapping 3 plates on a bar and bouncing it off of their chest 4 times and calling that a good set.
And there’s the problem. You cannot properly isolate a variable if your days are constantly differing. Train at maximum intensity for stimulus, eat the exact amount of food you need, drink your water, and do all of this for months on end with only periodic adjustments to food intake as progress slows.
Most people are too lazy to actually hold themselves accountable in this way though, and that is why the physiques belonging to those who can are always the most impressive.
Do you want a professional looking physique? Guess what, you gotta do professional type shit.
It’s a big reason why the consensus advice concerning gear is usually some form of “get to your natural limit first”, not because there’s anything special about that limit but instead because you will prove to yourself you know how to grow.
If you hop right into the deep end, yeah gear is going to help, but you’re never going to do anything impressive with it until you learn how to do everything else - and hey, some people learn while on gear!
That’s fine too, it’s your body. Just fucking learn, damn it.
Its almost always the basics that hold people back. Most guys like this I see fall into two categories. The first is guys who have their diet and training in a pretty good spot and have built a decent physique naturally, then they get on gear and get lazy. The second is guys who eat like shit and train like little girls then think the gear will magically fix it all. Its amazing how many guys are actually on gear and look like absolute dog shit LOL
And like SeeOhShow said, sometimes its a shitty brand selling you plain oil. But even then, if you got the other stuff dialed, results will come. Slower than expected, but yeah
99.9% of the time it’s shitty training and shitty diet. And the biggest contributor of all, lack of consistency. The other 0.1% is the poor folks who bought all that vitamin E from Ula and Bels.