posted Thu, 02/06/2014 - 12:04
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thoughts on next cycle plan
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Getting ready to start my second cycle. It will be a lean bulker like my last. Though I'd post it to see your thoughts on it. Here it is, what do you think?
Test Prop-90mg ED 1-8
NPP-75mg ED 1-8
Mast prop- 60mg ED 1-8
Anadrol-75/75/75/75/75
Aromasin-12.5mg ED
Proviron-50mg ED
Hcg- 250iu 2x/wk
prami-.25mg ED
IGF-1 LR3-50mcg ED
My last cycle I went from 190 to 212. I just finished my PCT and I'm at 202 lbs and holding. I used clomid(50/50/50/50), aromasin, and DAA for my pct. I already ordered the test and adrol, but won't be starting for 6 wks or so. The cycle was 500mg test E 1-12, Tren ace- 50mg ED 1-8(yeah I know, bad idea), and dbol 30/30/40/40.
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sportbikeriderJ9I have trained naturally for the past 7 years. I have made great strength gains during this time. I have a small bone structure(6.5 inch wrists), but I have good strength. My bench is @ 335, squat @ 450, and DL 480. I figured since my gains seemed to be stalling I'd try AAS, especially since I want to compete. I've tried almost every diet. I always use the Harris Benedict formula to figure out my BMR and TDEE. For my last cycle my goal was to bulk, so I added 1000 calories to my that. I ate 6 meals daily and ate most all my carbs in a 3 hour period post work out and backloaded them at night(cbl). For proteins I ate egg whites, beef, chicken, turkey,eggs, and cheese. Carbs were exclusively sweet potatoes, potatoes, and white rice. For fats I chose olive oil, coconut oil, sunflower oil, almonds, and butter. It was mostly a paleo type style bulk using carb backloading.
just by the questions you have asked, its obvious you need a lot more research and experience before running anything even close to what you have composed, the only thing you don't have is the kitchen sink!
im not even keen on recommending a test only cycle for you because I just have a bad feeling about your info....sorry, but if your running cycles you should have the knowledge and experience to know what the go is, no one on this site is going to co-sign this dogs breakfast of a cycle, it looks like death. take a few steps back, concentrate on your diet and training along with your sleeping patterns, and you will grow, if you decide to run another cycle, you only need one compound, and you should know what that is bro. good luck
ZewiAnabolXThe one thing you didn't post was your diet what is your diet?? what kind of gain was that 190 to 212??
sportbikeriderJ9Hey Zewi, I was actually using your tren and it was great, but I know it was a bad first cycle choice.
Brosky, u r proposing almost 1.7 g of gear / wk just on the Test / NPP / Mast not considering the 5 weeks of drol that u don't need as a kicker running prop for your second cycle? And the peptide - I run LR3 - your suggestion of 50 mics/day - overkill. Take a look at http://www.steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/623681-dave-pal... for probably the opposite end of the LR3 spectrum. Also, I have hired and used Dave as a coach as well. Take a look at the MOD comment below that u say u agree with. Do you? IMO, run another Test cycle and let's see how you manage your diet and training that is gonna determine 85% of the outcome anyways. Gear only feeds on what u feed it - don't loose site of that. I'm sure if I met u in person I would think u are a nice young man. We just want u to have a future here as well in real life.
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sportbikeriderJ9Thanks for the advice Gearhead. That is a lot of gear for sure. I thought I might have messed up my response by running tren the first time;therefore, I'd require more, but I'm going to go the best route this time. I've been reading the receptor thing is a myth, so that's good to know. I think I also started at too high bf% last time as well, which probably hampered my gains. I remember I was holding alot of water on the tren/test, which people at my gym noticed,I'm leaner now, so hopefully that won't be as much of an issue.
sportbikeriderJ9I'm also currently @ 202 lbs and 10.4% bf.
At this rate, you'll be running grams and grams of crap for your next cycle. STOP, reset, and go back to basics. Just because you ran tren your first go around, doesn't mean you can't go back to responsible cycling. Just run a simple test cycle. You will be amazed how your body will react with that and a proper diet. The rule is time on + PCT = wait period before you start again. Make the choice to do things right.
sportbikeriderJ9Yeah, I would like to use less than that, plus it costs less. Do you know if taking a bigger dose would necessarily increase gains, if your at a size that wouldn't require a higher dose to make more gains. Would test/ npp produce more gains than just test if your not that large yet and still fresh? Also, do you know if the receptor theory is real or not or is your body just creating a homeostasis: certain hormones balancing out with the anabolic ones to create homeostasis? I'm just curious about thoughts on this.
STOP FISHING! The general concensus is that you slow your roll and take it back to the basics! You sound like you are set on doing what you want (like very other youngster on here) so if that's the case you don't need us and we can move you right along!
sportbikeriderJ9No, I will follow the advice. I'd rather get good gains off less compounds and less dose. I for some reason though I would need more, since I made a bad decision on doing tren my first time. I didn't join this forum to cause problems or do what I want. I came for advice to make a good decision based off it and I have rethought my plan. I will run the proposed cycle that was shown. Small dose of test and NPP, no orals. I'm going to be competing this year, so I'm just looking for that right cycle to add some considerable mass before the end of the year and still have time to cut.
Not sure where to start since you ran tren on your FIRST cycle! Obviously you now know a first cycle should be test only and maybe an oral. And now it looks again like way too many compounds and uneccessary meds. Not busting your balls just giving you some good honest advice.
I like to keep cycles simple. Something like this:
Test prop 150mg eod
Npp 125 eod
proviron 50mg ed
And that's more than enough! Especially for a second cycle. Since your running all short esters you don't need an oral really. And I have no problem adding in some masteron really but it depends on your over goal. Proviron and masteron both help combat estrogen sides so you really shouldn't need to run aromasin or prami but keep it on hand.
You should be more than capable to make significant gains on test p and npp alone.
Really guys?! We're trying to pull the young blood back and you come on and throw cycle at him >: /
I honestly see nothing wrong with the advice I gave him. Test and npp are fine for a simple cycle. I clearly told him he was in the wrong and was running way too much shit. I'm not pissed or upset you negd me but I stand by my suggestion.
This is the disunity and cookie cutter shit we have been talking about bro, GymJ and I were trying to get the brand new 24 yr old member that no one knows anything about to take it down a notch and then someone swoops in and tells him exactly what he wants to hear... Nothing wrong with the cycle, just a little careless with it bro
Gotcha! My bad.
If you just got done with 12 week cycle and you are starting this one in 6 wks that is way to soon, unless you have bloods to prove otherwise. Why the need for all those compounds when it is only your 2nd cycle? My thoughts are don't do this.
Please post stats for ease on advice. I know they're in your profile, but it makes it easier to get advice if no one has to look for them
Stats
Age: 25
Height: 5'11
Weight: 205
BF: 12%
All constructive criticism, but that's way too much shit going on for your second cycle. How will you know which compound is giving you which side? You don't need all that shit to make gains. Your receptors are still fresh. The tren on the first cycle was a misfortune, but you don't need to repeat that by jumping so heavy. Enjoy getting great gains with less compounds. What would be next after that cycle? Slow and steady brother.