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I have to admit, I made some mistakes AAS wise lately. I'm mainly here so hopefully some vets can get me on the right track. I had a desire for immediate results and went overboard. I'm 24(almost 25), 5'10, 202 lbs @ 11% bf. About 5 months ago, I started my first ph cycle, it was mentabolan @ 50 mg Ed pre WO, along with m-sten. I did my four week pct and then jumped on test, tren and dbol. Surprisingly, I only saw great gains from the dbol. Not to much, just some strength gains on tren. Diet was in check too, eating 4,200 cal and 480 g prtrin ED. Anyways, I ended up adding 60 lbs to my bench, from the dbol, then it stayed the same throughout. It seemed as if the tren/test was just helping me keep most gains I made from dbol, except for some strength gains elsewhere. I just finished this cycle about 3 wks ago, I feel fine, as my mood, libido, and eq are back to normal. I've been taking clomid, DAA, and hcgenerate for pct. I also took aromasin, prami, and hcg throughout. I'm here admiting I went about this the wrong way and looking for some advice for a next bulk cycle from some vets, also what I should do for a cut after this. I let my ego get the best of me before and didn't listen to advice. I'm ready to do this the right way and learn from you all. Could you please give some next cycle advice and how long I should wait? Thanks
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sportbikeriderJ9I came up with a couple cycles as well. For a bulk:
Test E- 600/week 1-16
dbol-30/30/30/30/30
Deca-400mg/week 1-14
Proviron-50mg/ed
Hcg-250iu 2x/wk 3-18
Aromasin-12.5 mg EOD
Prami-.25mg ED
For Cut:
Test prop-35mg/ED 1-8
Tren Ace-50mg/ED 1-8
Masteron- 75mg/EOD 1-8
Prami-.25mg/ED
IGF-1 LR3-40mcg ED
HCG-250iu 2x/week 1-8
Any advice on these proposed cycles?
I've been thinking of doing something like this for a while. Anything I should change, drop, or add?
I might not add the tren though, as that's where I think I went overboard last time, especially dose wise.
Bro. Read the forums. Read the stickies. Look at some of the cycle log pages. I appreciate your honesty, if you can keep your ego in check then you can learn from this place.
BUT, BUT, we do not do cycle design for you here at eroids like a free service. You tighten up your goals and objectives, you do the research and you propose a cycle for us to review and we will work with you on that until it is ready to run. The information you need is all here. Read. If you have a question, ask.
I don't think there are any really dumb questions - we all asked them at one point or another - but you can FR and PM me if you would like on some little thing. I like keeping most of the dialog out in the open, however for the benefit of the whole community.
Regards,
GearHead
Words of wisdom! +1
sportbikeriderJ9Oh, as for doses:
Test E-500 mg/wk 1-12
Tren Ace- 50mg/ED 1-4, 75mg/ED 5-9
Dbol-30/30/40/40
Aromasin-12.5 mg EOD
HCG-250iu 2x/wk 3-14
This is what u just did?
sportbikeriderJ9Yes, exactly that and I didn't even see much except from the ment ph before my aas cycle and the dbol. I had some minor strength gains, leaning, and insomnia from the tren, as well as some acne. I did go from 190-214, but I'm now down to 204. I was 210 after the dbol, then gained an additional 4 lbs. I actually looked best at week 7 of the tren, then not much more after that.
Your holding onto 14 lbs after the cycle and you're not happy? Gee bro. Seems like a success to me?
sportbikeriderJ9Yeah, I know I'm probably expecting to much. I've just heard of the first cycle, especially tren, causing a good transformation in people. I just don't understand why the great gains in size and strength stopped after the dbol. I know tren is notorious for strength and size in a caloric surplus. I don't feel that I really look much different, but others see a difference, it's probably because I look at myself in the mirror every day though. Anyways, I just need to slow it down and just let it happen, as it's a process even with AAS and you'll reap the reward of your goal with consistency. I don't believe there was any good reason to have such compounds(tren) in my first cycle, especially at that dose. I'll take a lighter approach next time, and probably just save the tren until a few years down the road. I'm almost really just considering running 800/mg week of test next time with a dbol kick, aromasin,proviron, and hcg, to see what happens.
I haven't even reviewed your proposed cycles yet, but just keep something in mind - u want to get the max benefit from as little juice as possible. Conditioning your body to higher and higher doses early on like 800 mg / wk of Test is just gonna end up building up an AAS tolerance that is not gonna serve u well at all. There are folks that have run 500 mg 12 week Test cycles 4-5 times with beautiful results.
sportbikeriderJ9Thanks for all the advice gearhead. I certainly don't want to cause my AAS to be to high early on. That will just increase sides risk and empty my wallet some more. I found my source and I'm going to try Test E @ 500mg/wk and maybe ad a small dose of deca(200mg/wk). I think I might try anadrol @ 50mg ED 1-4 for a kick, along with proviron throughout.I'd really love to do a long primo cycle, but it's just so expensive.