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I've been doing some research lately and I've come to terms with this cycle, that I plan on running in a couple to a few months.

Week 1-14:
500mg test c/week
400mg primo/week

Start 25mg anavar ED @ Week 11
Bump up to 40mg anavar ED @ Week 13

Week 15-16:
500mg test c/week
400mg primo/week
40mg anavar ED

Week 17-19:
150mg test c/week

PCT (after 2 weeks):
20mg nolva ED

50mg clomid ED


run PCT 4-6 weeks depending on labs

Dumditty's picture

Imo ( as well as most peoples ) test is all you need on your first cycle . You’ll see huge returns with just that if diet and cardio is on point . But also I’m not your dad so do whatever you feel like lol. I will say I wouldn’t run primo at more than 2 to 1 ratio from test . Crashed estrogen is shitty as it gets . Be safe , be smart and get your labs done regularly ( at least every 4 months minimum) . Welcome to the dark side my friend .

smallsmoothballsack's picture

So.initally I was going to run a lower dose primo cycle. I ended up running 600mg a week. My question to the guys advocating lower dose primo is where are the results?

I hear it talked about yet I've yet to see any before and after pics of low dose test and primo [just that...without the tren or orals sprinkled in lol] that shows that the cycle was worth it. I mean I guess it being "worth it" all depends on one's goals.

I took others advice of atleast running 600mg per week and am very glad I did. I'm a less is more guy but truly feel any less would have been a waste. So back to my original question. Where are the results? And I'm not trying to be a dick, I genuinely want to see.

SeeOhShow's picture

My pic/post of “first bulk on gear results” I think qualifies for this. Although it could easily be argued the test/NPP did all the work. I was just using the primo as an anabolic AI.

With that being said, I’m gonna be trying a high primo bulk come winter. 500-600mg/wk range primo. @23Sparta has asked I do a full pig out bulk to where my abs disappear. Told him I would. Plan is 420/420/560 test p/npp/primo for 20-24 weeks.

23Sparta's picture

Fuck yeah, I like that stack for growth. Only thing I would suggest is make sure you have plenty of HOCs and TOBs on hand at all times and let’s wash out them abs!!!! Can’t wait to see off season OhShow, massed up!

23Sparta's picture

I should definitely hit 240. Lmao, idk about leen, I can’t even spell it

23Sparta's picture

240 12% is god/nfl mode. You got that brother

I’ve just made arrangements to be buried with some rice cakes and a cut cycle

23Sparta's picture

Bro, I just did a 10 day “mini cut” that included 5 days of IHOP…. of course that counts

Black90tsi's picture

Those IHOP trips better have been for some cinnamon roll pancakes.

23Sparta's picture

lol, they’re not trips, they’re drop offs. I worked out a deal with the homie who works there. I get an omelet and protein pancakes

SeeOhShow's picture

224.4 as of 10 seconds ago. I’ll absolutely hit the 250 mark with you next bulk

DeeMan's picture

I might have to prove wanted wrong once and for all. He's definitely not a believer

wanted's picture

So basically a high priced
Test , npp , mast cycle. But i beat ( you ) will still have abs as long as your not over 4,500 calories

SeeOhShow's picture

4,500 is maintenance for me lol. I’m gonna start at 5k and have to end around 6,500 at the end of the bulk I bet. I don’t stop my daily cardio during bulking. Activity level stays the same. Gonna have to stock up on the giant peanut butter jars from Costco to meet the calorie goals

smallsmoothballsack's picture

Yea, I'd agreed that the argument would be that the test/npp would be your main anabolic compounds there. Like you said, the primo is just there for estrogen control. Which it's awesome for.

I'll be looking forward to following your winter bulk.

smallsmoothballsack's picture

I won't deny it builds muscle. I just don't think it will at low dose to a point that it would be worth to run it less than 300mgs. I'm running 600mgs and love it, would not run it any lower expecting decent results, but then again everyone responds to compounds differently. I guess my main response would have to be to go back to my original question lol....

Where's the results? Still yet to see anyone post any low dose primo cycle that's shows decent results.

DeeMan's picture

Exactly. If DHT wasn't broken down by 3-HSD then it would definitely be anabolic. But hey some guys have it in their heads that alot of gear is needed. Lol not true. We all aren't trying to be Mr. Olympia so it's kinda confusing. But folks think how they think

wanted's picture

Very honest man. There is no proof with the low dose primo atleast any impressive results. Just big guys already big. But No WOW FACTOR SHIT

Bearded_muscle's picture

Just deleted my post because it was way too open about real drug dosages for big guys.

But yes, you wanna get big, doses have to come up. Along with the food.

And I agree primo great for holding size but if you want to build massive size with it, you’re going to need more than anyone wants to admit to taking.

DeeMan's picture

I feel ya. Everyone is different and that's as real as it gets. A few factors go into it all

DeeMan's picture

I take your word about your trainees. I do think that's what you see. I think we just might be talking about two different types. Most of the guys I'm talking about are athletes but there are exceptions. You speak on what you see and I speak on what I've seen. I think we both speak truth on this

DeeMan's picture

I'm not at all talking down on anyone that uses high doses at all so let that be clear my man lol, that's on them. I know that you know what you're doing and haven't recommended. You know your body. Lol this is what I'm saying, alot of guys lie but let me be clear, everyone doesn't have to lie. Trolls will be trolls so not a factor in my opinion. I'm just saying. Others may think differently but this is what it is when it comes to making claims. Lol I bypass all the bs. I believe in facts and all the false claims dosing is weird to me but like you said they want to avoid trolls I reckon. Hey to each their own but good discussion

DeeMan's picture

Mic dropped when I said what I said lol. Of course receptor density is increased. But I go by what my eyes see and I've seen things. I just don't think we were understanding each other. I'm not saying 500mg of test a week is the answer or will turn you into a pro lol. What I'm saying is I'm around that weight and others are too and we just don't need no 3 grams point blank, not even close lol.. That's how we do it. That's how it is. So yeah I think we didn't understand each other. So now I'm understanding what you are saying. Damn keyboard word spell

DeeMan's picture

I can dig it. But yeah they lie lie lie!!!
Get so bad they actually start believing that sheeet( own lies)

DeeMan's picture

Yeah for Pros yeah

DeeMan's picture

@wanted @23Sparta bearded muscle I agree to a certain extent but not totally. Yea food definitely has to increase. The reality of it is moderate dosages will work for some but not all, just the way it is unfortunately. Now Mr. Olympia type guys or 300 pounders, then that's another story

Bearded_muscle's picture

John Jewett posted his offseason cycle and it was just test and mast, test was reasonable, mast was way up there. Primo can be plugged in exactly the same way and he’s headed to the O this year so it’s possible.

DeeMan's picture

I edited my comment to be a little more specific. I can definitely see your point but I had to be fair and mention that. Problem is alot of guys tend to lie so that makes it hard. I go by the things that I've seen with others that are true. Again I know folks lie so I get it. But generally what you said is the case many times, especially with those pro bodybuilders

23Sparta's picture

”Just big guys already big” that’s true

DeeMan's picture

Omg there you go throwing rocks again. You have been told over and over yet you STILL DON'T BELIEVE. Lol damn @Pumped

wanted's picture

Man dont call in the big guns on me

DeeMan's picture

O yeah you leave me no chance. U just wait

smallsmoothballsack's picture

Yep and the guys advocating it are usually guys that already have plenty of cycles under their belt and are already massive.

It's funny because your "good luck" comment months ago got me questioning my low dose primo cycle to begin with. I have to thank you sir.

wanted's picture

Your welcome. But i have that feeling we both gona get negged soon …. We all know the right thing to do is preach low dose cycles ; )

DeeMan's picture

Isn't there a Rock Throwing competition in the Olympics? You suppose to be in Paris.

I'm done with the low dose debate. Like beating a dead horse. It ain't gonna get up and race anytime soon @wanted

wanted's picture

@DeeMan you may be right on 1 specific compound and that may be its aged related
And thats TREN ACE my newest experience being in between 46- 50 years old. That newer personal experience is that 50 mg every other day was better to me that 100 mg everyday. WHY sleep
At 100 mg my sleep is shit , i can fall asleep but cant stay asleep my mind focuses on everything going on that day. And at 50 eod i can get acouple more hours of rem sleep anight. Which is big in the thick of things of being our best self

DeeMan's picture

Nah u not convinced but you'll be soon. So about Tren, damn the not getting any sleep would definitely bother me. My sleep is horrible anyways so I sure as hell don't need Tren. But glad you found a way around that. Also I would hate to poke every or every other day. Now different story when it comes to pretty women. @wanted

Chad P's picture

Tbh bro, I’ve never ran primo nor can I prove any results. One thing I do know is the gear is only one part of reaching goals and getting desired results. I’ve seen ppl run low dose cycles and be 100% in tune with their rest/diet/training and get unbelievable results. I’ve also seen ppl run very high dosages and think they can slack in the other areas because of it and reach less than impressive levels for the risk they are taking. We all know gear isn’t magic.

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DeeMan's picture

Chad P smallballsack...there is NO one shoe size approach. And I agree Chad gear isn't magic at all

smallsmoothballsack's picture

Bro you can't forget the most important part of my username. These balls are smooth