posted Sun, 08/04/2024 - 17:58
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I've been doing some research lately and I've come to terms with this cycle, that I plan on running in a couple to a few months.
Week 1-14:
500mg test c/week
400mg primo/week
Start 25mg anavar ED @ Week 11
Bump up to 40mg anavar ED @ Week 13
Week 15-16:
500mg test c/week
400mg primo/week
40mg anavar ED
Week 17-19:
150mg test c/week
PCT (after 2 weeks):
20mg nolva ED
50mg clomid ED
run PCT 4-6 weeks depending on labs
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Imo ( as well as most peoples ) test is all you need on your first cycle . You’ll see huge returns with just that if diet and cardio is on point . But also I’m not your dad so do whatever you feel like lol. I will say I wouldn’t run primo at more than 2 to 1 ratio from test . Crashed estrogen is shitty as it gets . Be safe , be smart and get your labs done regularly ( at least every 4 months minimum) . Welcome to the dark side my friend .
NemoRoidsLot of stuff for first cycle.
So.initally I was going to run a lower dose primo cycle. I ended up running 600mg a week. My question to the guys advocating lower dose primo is where are the results?
I hear it talked about yet I've yet to see any before and after pics of low dose test and primo [just that...without the tren or orals sprinkled in lol] that shows that the cycle was worth it. I mean I guess it being "worth it" all depends on one's goals.
I took others advice of atleast running 600mg per week and am very glad I did. I'm a less is more guy but truly feel any less would have been a waste. So back to my original question. Where are the results? And I'm not trying to be a dick, I genuinely want to see.
My pic/post of “first bulk on gear results” I think qualifies for this. Although it could easily be argued the test/NPP did all the work. I was just using the primo as an anabolic AI.
With that being said, I’m gonna be trying a high primo bulk come winter. 500-600mg/wk range primo. @23Sparta has asked I do a full pig out bulk to where my abs disappear. Told him I would. Plan is 420/420/560 test p/npp/primo for 20-24 weeks.
Fuck yeah, I like that stack for growth. Only thing I would suggest is make sure you have plenty of HOCs and TOBs on hand at all times and let’s wash out them abs!!!! Can’t wait to see off season OhShow, massed up!
anvilLFG so need summer the crew gonna be lean 240s?
I should definitely hit 240. Lmao, idk about leen, I can’t even spell it
anvilI got you brother. I'll hit the 250 mark for sure. Hopefully back down to 240 at 12%. Lol leeeeeen
240 12% is god/nfl mode. You got that brother
I’ve just made arrangements to be buried with some rice cakes and a cut cycle
anvilI eat those chocolate chip ones by the bag. Does that still count and cutting?
Bro, I just did a 10 day “mini cut” that included 5 days of IHOP…. of course that counts
Those IHOP trips better have been for some cinnamon roll pancakes.
lol, they’re not trips, they’re drop offs. I worked out a deal with the homie who works there. I get an omelet and protein pancakes
224.4 as of 10 seconds ago. I’ll absolutely hit the 250 mark with you next bulk
anvilLove it brother , excited the non Tren triplets gonna be 750 combined !!!
I might have to prove wanted wrong once and for all. He's definitely not a believer
So basically a high priced
Test , npp , mast cycle. But i beat ( you ) will still have abs as long as your not over 4,500 calories
4,500 is maintenance for me lol. I’m gonna start at 5k and have to end around 6,500 at the end of the bulk I bet. I don’t stop my daily cardio during bulking. Activity level stays the same. Gonna have to stock up on the giant peanut butter jars from Costco to meet the calorie goals
Yea, I'd agreed that the argument would be that the test/npp would be your main anabolic compounds there. Like you said, the primo is just there for estrogen control. Which it's awesome for.
I'll be looking forward to following your winter bulk.
BysandtrysThe food/calories are actually gonna be the main anabolic compounds in his case lol.
Primo definitely helps facilitate anabolism, not just an AI.
I won't deny it builds muscle. I just don't think it will at low dose to a point that it would be worth to run it less than 300mgs. I'm running 600mgs and love it, would not run it any lower expecting decent results, but then again everyone responds to compounds differently. I guess my main response would have to be to go back to my original question lol....
Where's the results? Still yet to see anyone post any low dose primo cycle that's shows decent results.
BysandtrysYou're familiar with AAS metabolism?
For example DHT and proviron are not very anabolic because they get mostly metabolized by 3α-HSD in the muscle cells.
Primo was shown to have some % of it broken down by that enzyme also,
but much less so than DHT
So that's probably why people feel like they need to run it higher than other compounds to get some of the more noticible effects.
Masteron is probably similar in that extent.
Exactly. If DHT wasn't broken down by 3-HSD then it would definitely be anabolic. But hey some guys have it in their heads that alot of gear is needed. Lol not true. We all aren't trying to be Mr. Olympia so it's kinda confusing. But folks think how they think
Very honest man. There is no proof with the low dose primo atleast any impressive results. Just big guys already big. But No WOW FACTOR SHIT
Just deleted my post because it was way too open about real drug dosages for big guys.
But yes, you wanna get big, doses have to come up. Along with the food.
And I agree primo great for holding size but if you want to build massive size with it, you’re going to need more than anyone wants to admit to taking.
anvilJust post it brother. You know the real, lots of folks around here don't get how much gear it takes.
We also know what kinda diet, training and cardio it takes.
I'll admit all day and I'm prolly taking 1/4 of what the real ones take.
I feel ya. Everyone is different and that's as real as it gets. A few factors go into it all
anvilYes, to a certain point. It's as much goal oriented as it is how you respond.
Do I believe you can maintain a great build at 500mg per yes. But your not getting to a lean 250-260 without pushing higher doses. Otherwise everyone would be there.
I can only tell you what I see, because the real ones don't state for the most part what they do, even non pros. It's cooler to say I run low doses and I am healthier so you don't get the trolls.
If your goal is to.maimtain 200lbs or around there then yes, ,250 or more less likely it can be done. Those are my experiences, the people I train and myself.
I am not in this to be average, be at 17 % body fat and have gut but be 250. I push on all angles, diet , training gear. Risk mitigating the whole way. I have never recommended a high dose to anyone here , nor would I. I am speaking for me and my trainees.
I take your word about your trainees. I do think that's what you see. I think we just might be talking about two different types. Most of the guys I'm talking about are athletes but there are exceptions. You speak on what you see and I speak on what I've seen. I think we both speak truth on this
I'm not at all talking down on anyone that uses high doses at all so let that be clear my man lol, that's on them. I know that you know what you're doing and haven't recommended. You know your body. Lol this is what I'm saying, alot of guys lie but let me be clear, everyone doesn't have to lie. Trolls will be trolls so not a factor in my opinion. I'm just saying. Others may think differently but this is what it is when it comes to making claims. Lol I bypass all the bs. I believe in facts and all the false claims dosing is weird to me but like you said they want to avoid trolls I reckon. Hey to each their own but good discussion
anvilI know you aren't. I just dispute the fact you are only getting to a certain point on low dose.
All these steroid educators on podcasts and yt all come out and say the same thing. You increase receptor density with increase doses which in returns lets you utilize more gear.
I am absolutely not disputing you can get a very good build on 500mg test runs, because I have seen people post evidence here. That's just were it ends for me. SoS is gonna be 250 and stated he will be at 1.5 grams, I am going to be over 250 I will prolly be at 2 grams, and I know 23sparta will be well over a gram and be 250.
I agree with your side, for sure. And I always enjoy our discussions and I am never offended or do I wish to offend you.
I am just stating this is backed by science and a results driven information.
Not this guy the other day saying he heard a pro say he only does 750 test 750 mast and 300 tren....That's almost 2 grams and he was saying like it was a low dose. End communication...Mic drop
Mic dropped when I said what I said lol. Of course receptor density is increased. But I go by what my eyes see and I've seen things. I just don't think we were understanding each other. I'm not saying 500mg of test a week is the answer or will turn you into a pro lol. What I'm saying is I'm around that weight and others are too and we just don't need no 3 grams point blank, not even close lol.. That's how we do it. That's how it is. So yeah I think we didn't understand each other. So now I'm understanding what you are saying. Damn keyboard word spell
anvilFine you drop the mic, I got ya bro. Always have and always will <3
I can dig it. But yeah they lie lie lie!!!
Get so bad they actually start believing that sheeet( own lies)
Yeah for Pros yeah
@wanted @23Sparta bearded muscle I agree to a certain extent but not totally. Yea food definitely has to increase. The reality of it is moderate dosages will work for some but not all, just the way it is unfortunately. Now Mr. Olympia type guys or 300 pounders, then that's another story
John Jewett posted his offseason cycle and it was just test and mast, test was reasonable, mast was way up there. Primo can be plugged in exactly the same way and he’s headed to the O this year so it’s possible.
I edited my comment to be a little more specific. I can definitely see your point but I had to be fair and mention that. Problem is alot of guys tend to lie so that makes it hard. I go by the things that I've seen with others that are true. Again I know folks lie so I get it. But generally what you said is the case many times, especially with those pro bodybuilders
”Just big guys already big” that’s true
Omg there you go throwing rocks again. You have been told over and over yet you STILL DON'T BELIEVE. Lol damn @Pumped
Man dont call in the big guns on me
O yeah you leave me no chance. U just wait
Yep and the guys advocating it are usually guys that already have plenty of cycles under their belt and are already massive.
It's funny because your "good luck" comment months ago got me questioning my low dose primo cycle to begin with. I have to thank you sir.
Your welcome. But i have that feeling we both gona get negged soon …. We all know the right thing to do is preach low dose cycles ; )
Isn't there a Rock Throwing competition in the Olympics? You suppose to be in Paris.
I'm done with the low dose debate. Like beating a dead horse. It ain't gonna get up and race anytime soon @wanted
@DeeMan you may be right on 1 specific compound and that may be its aged related
And thats TREN ACE my newest experience being in between 46- 50 years old. That newer personal experience is that 50 mg every other day was better to me that 100 mg everyday. WHY sleep
At 100 mg my sleep is shit , i can fall asleep but cant stay asleep my mind focuses on everything going on that day. And at 50 eod i can get acouple more hours of rem sleep anight. Which is big in the thick of things of being our best self
Nah u not convinced but you'll be soon. So about Tren, damn the not getting any sleep would definitely bother me. My sleep is horrible anyways so I sure as hell don't need Tren. But glad you found a way around that. Also I would hate to poke every or every other day. Now different story when it comes to pretty women. @wanted
Tbh bro, I’ve never ran primo nor can I prove any results. One thing I do know is the gear is only one part of reaching goals and getting desired results. I’ve seen ppl run low dose cycles and be 100% in tune with their rest/diet/training and get unbelievable results. I’ve also seen ppl run very high dosages and think they can slack in the other areas because of it and reach less than impressive levels for the risk they are taking. We all know gear isn’t magic.
Chad P smallballsack...there is NO one shoe size approach. And I agree Chad gear isn't magic at all
Bro you can't forget the most important part of my username. These balls are smooth