posted Sun, 08/04/2024 - 17:58
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I've been doing some research lately and I've come to terms with this cycle, that I plan on running in a couple to a few months.
Week 1-14:
500mg test c/week
400mg primo/week
Start 25mg anavar ED @ Week 11
Bump up to 40mg anavar ED @ Week 13
Week 15-16:
500mg test c/week
400mg primo/week
40mg anavar ED
Week 17-19:
150mg test c/week
PCT (after 2 weeks):
20mg nolva ED
50mg clomid ED
run PCT 4-6 weeks depending on labs
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Lol my bad.... smooth. Nothing a lil 80 grit sandpaper can't handle!!
Couldn't agree more. Now that I've ran a few basic cycles it showed me the magic isn't the juice. It's the discipline. Period. Before running my first cycle I put myself through a personal test. Can I diet consistently for a month?
I think every newbie should test themselves with a few discipline tests before going on cycle tl see if they are really ready. If not your going to look like a not natty natty. Which is the worst insult one could give a man whose juicing lol
When I first started running test as TRT about 3 years ago, I thought I was gonna instantly transform my body to a chiseled freak. Man was I ever wrong. I felt great but my diet was shit, training was all over the place, wasn’t getting adequate rest days, therefore results were minimal at best. I got my diet tuned in, maximized workouts and stopped over training, while listening to my body and taking rest days to recover and grow. If I get off work and don’t have the juice to get a quality session in, I simply take the day off and go hard the next day.
Yea I thought the same thing. Definitely not how it went down.
I've currently got diet and training pretty dialed in but not perfect. Rest is my problem, I struggle with taking off days. Tbh I'm not sure how to overcome it. The homies just say it's easy don't goto the fucking gym. Not that easy for me.
I know man I had to reprogram myself. I wanted to hit it everyday but I can now say that my progress has increased dramatically now that I dialed back a bit and took some stress off my body. I typically do 4/5 on 1 off. If I have a long, labor intensive day at work, I just refocus and push it off til the next day.
anvilI am a result of high dose primo, like you. But others might respond better, it just isn't you or I.
My pics are up to see, I have nothing to hide. Please take into consideration I will be 49.
What about a test only cycle and then running anavar my last 5 weeks? Would I need to PCT?
of course you will need a pct... test only does not make a difference here. your endogenous production will shut down anyway.
Can I just run nolva?
no dude. I would strongly advise you to look into the matter in detail. read, learn and get all of your PCT stuff together before you even pin your first test injection. you never know... accident, illness
I really dont get those "new" beginner cycles.
A good thing to start is Testo only. You will respond so well in your first cylces. But if you still want to add primo to it, i would recommend a 1:1 ratio by
test 200mg e3d
primo 200mg e3d
this will show enough impact on a long term cycle (for at least 20 weeks). i would not run a shorter period. makes no sense. you need time to built quality gains. so dose lower but run longer.
it is also a myth, that primo is not working under 600mg's/week. If you have legit primo, you will already benefit at half the dose. 400mg/week is very tollerable and effective dose. specially for beginner.
Yeah that's been the thought the anything under 500- 600 mg / week primo is a waste....not true lol.
anvilI have 1 question where does this ratio you speak come from? Because everyone metabolizes compounds differently I wanna know the secret formula you speak of???? I am a heavy aromatizer so running 1 to 1 test /primo does nothing, double primo does nothing so where does this come from?
I totally agree with your 20 week length and primo can have benefits at under 600mg per week.
there is no secret formula. I speak from personal experience. Of course, no one reacts the same and metabolism can be different. But usually most people react in a balanced way at this level. There can always be variations above and below. But it's a good place to start. Blood tests every 4 weeks will show you which direction things are going.
anvilAgreed , I personally take primo really high and have seen great results but I am not advising anyone to do so.
yes, some people need higher doses. but i think some are only a bit impatient or have wrong expectations. personally, i start noticing benefits from primo at only 300mg. 400 is my sweetspot. above my prostate values go above the roof. so a good advice here would be to have an eye on that when doing bloodwork. primo is always described as very mild which is basically true. In some cases, however, the dht side effects can have a stronger effect on the prostate, which many people simply do not check in time. If you start to only pee drop by drop and can no longer build up pressure when urinating, it's already too late. In the end, it is and remains primarily a dht derivative with all the sides we know from DHT stuff.
And don't forget it having an affect on the hair so those like me who are predisposed to hair loss, watch out.
anvilYes how can we forget your "hair" LoL
Or lack of hair LOL
anvilYes just let it goooooooooooooooo!
@anvil I did. It goooooo down the drain!!!
Nah still have hair but not like you
no hair, no problems --
anvilI got ya on that, primo I got my full labs at 800mg a week everything was good. Except I don't get the anti estro benefits from it.
This guy is getting a primo deep dive from us lol
;) yeah... he's a lucky one
i could never go above 700mg/week. once i tried 100mg test-p and 100mg primo every day. after a few weeks my bloodwork went bad, so i had to stop that game. too much DHT to handle. sadly... the look i got from that was just stunning. at that time i knew 100% where the bodybuilding legends got their look from:)
anvilRight , right. I can't take mast /winny do due hair loss so I just have gone without them and that makes me sad.
I been doing this blend a new place on here made for me its 50 primo 50 tren hex ED pins and the stuff is amazing.
Somebody better decompress lol!!! Yeah deep dive.
No anti estro affects huh? Goes to show us that we all react differently. And damn at 800 mg you would think some type of ai affects were happening.
anvilTest was at 1.2 grams still needed the adex. Estro was 39 I think. But I felt amazing. Again I started low and worked up to those doses.
I doubt I will go that high on this calorie deficit but they will increase.
I like that estro level. Yeah I know you're a responsible vet. Keep us updated. You'll be looking like the Rock in no time. I got money on that
I'm running almost this exact same cycle. 2 suggestions that members of this forum gave me that I took:
Bump the primo up to 600mg and run it for 20 weeks. The primo really didn't start to shine until week 10 but really has taken off now that I'm on week 12. Bloods are good and am glad i got enough primo to run it for 20 weeks.
That shit’s expensive. I don’t wanna run a cycle that’s gonna make a dent in my wallet. Especially with rent going up.
There are plenty of respected members on this forum that advocate for effective primo cycles at lower dosages. You won’t truly know until you see how your body responds.
Well said my man. Facts
Yea I'd have to agree with what Simon said below. Adding up all the gear, supplements, bloodwork etc etc I'm probably pushing close to 2k for this cycle.
Maybe just stick to 16 weeks of test 500mg and run var for the last 8. You'll get good results if you keep everything dialed in.
I was just contemplating maybe just running a test and var cycle, so I think I’m gonna do this. Thank you.
Then primo is not your steroid. I only start seeing results from primo at around 8 to 10 weeks but I run lower doses. Primo cycle is minimum 16-20 weeks and the dosage is really up to you. You can benefit from 300 or up but the more primo the better.
Why do feel like you need steroids in order to make progress at 156lbs?
Without a solid foundation, drugs will not to do what you think they are going to do. Case in point, your last cycle. Sub par results will be a reoccurring theme.
The health risks involved with the use a PEDs are a poor trade off for a physique that you could have accomplished naturally
Here is an example of what you’re supposed to gain from a first cycle when done properly and at a time when one is ready. No primo, no dbol, no anavar, TEST ONLY….
https://www.eroids.com/pics/these-are-not-my-pics-500mg-test-3.33iu-gh-c...
Your first cycle should be the equivalent of throwing jet fuel onto a fire. If it’s not, then you weren’t ready
Okay let’s say I just cruised test. Could I just ride test or do I have to take something with it?
Why do you feel like you need to take testosterone? Has it been deemed medically necessary or close to it through bloodwork? Have you reached your genetic limit or close to it training naturally?
I know bro, fuck 23Sparta
I have a lot of trouble gaining and holding wait naturally. I used to rock climb twice a week and then work out at the gym those days I wouldn’t be climbing, weekends off, and I’d cap at 165-170. My metabolism is also crazy fast. My dad’s always been skinny. I weigh as much as him. All he has on me is his beer belly. It’s gotten to the point of being self conscious and not confident with what I see in the mirror.
My maintenance cals are 4,000-4,500 and even I can bulk or maintain weight no problem. And I weigh 220lbs at a 10% or leaner bf. The activity level you described above is maybe half of what I do weekly. So I’d say it’s a safe bet your maintenance is lower than mine. Majority of people (as in everyone outside of specific medical conditions) who claim they can’t gain or maintain weight simply eat way less than they think they do. Conversely, same can be said of the folks who are like “I only eat 2,000 calories and I can’t lose weight and I even gain weight.” Nope they’re consuming a lot more than they think they are. In the fitness realm, people really suck at two very important aspects:
1) gauging how much effort they’re putting in the gym
2) properly calculating their caloric balance for their desired goal
Gear has nothing to do with either of those two concepts and they need to be mastered for gear to have any meaningful effect.
Ya i used to always say that I have a hard time gaining, now I’d almost consider myself able to gain easily, I just have a hard time eating but I’d probably be big as a house if I could 5000 a day.
I’ve gotten into a few debates with guys over this. They swear they can’t gain a pound and there eating 4k plus a day and training 2 hours a day. I tell them to actually track there calories with an app and actually eat 4k and workout for one hour a day, do that for like 14 days and if the scale doesn’t move at all then go to the hospital cus something wrong.
anvil3) estimating bodyfat
I’d put that in a different category which is why I didn’t include it. But you’re 100% correct people suck at it.
But it doesn’t affect the OPs issue of weight stagnation so thinking he needs to add anabolics
anvilYup you are spot on, my BMR 3700, so while I am a surplus I am well over 4k. I don't love food that much but it gets done.
My BMR is 5MFC 3CEW 15SOF
(Mouthful Chicken)
(Carton Egg White)
(Scoop Oat Flour)
Not to be “that guy” but y’all mean TDEE. BMR is basal metabolic rate, which is calories your body burns just existing at full rest. Factor in exercise, thermogenic effect of food, etc and you get your total daily energy expenditure.
Knowing is half the battle! GI Joe!!!
Oh, I’m using a “Basic Meals Required” system than converts calories into MFCs, CEWs, and SOFs
I’m kidding:) thanks for the info
What about HOCs? TOBs?
Handful of cookies
Trays of brownies
Lmao, that is not me bro. That is you and @Gorillakingz are the ones smashing all the pastries
Yea but I do it in the name of science