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First HGH cycle - Test E/EQ/Prop (PLEASE CRITIQUE!!)

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Hey this is my first time on this forum.. and on HGH, but definitely not my first rodeo. I have run 5 cycles since I turned 25 so I'm not new to the AAS world but certainly no pro.. I haven't used GH before but really want to make sure I am using it properly before I begin this cycle. I want to be as safe as possible while maximizing my gains, so any critiques that will hopefully clear up anything I'm misinformed on are greatly appreciated.

My stats:

31y/o
6ft1
212lbs 14-16% bf
7+ years of lifting
Currently lift 3-5 days a week and cleaning up my diet

Previous cycles:

Sustanon 250 12 wk (2x)
Sus250/Deca 16 wk
Primo/Dbol 12 wk
Test E/Tren E/Masteron 10 wk (last cycle - PCT ended 6 1/2 months ago.)

My goals are to gain lean muscle (up to 225lbs), reduce body fat (5-8%), keep more gains, boost immune system, improve cardio and lung function (ex smoker.)

There is a lot of conflicting/old info floating around on HGH, and I was hoping to get some vets to correct me where I might be wrong. Although I have heard from the most recent threads its best to use it every day, I have also read many people stating that the 5 on 2 off protocol gives similar results, if not the same, which would make my gear go significantly father. I've even seen threads recommending the 3 x week @ high dosage protocol for big gains, but much less support for it. I have 800iu of yellow top Chinese HGH right now, and if necessary, could purchase a couple more in a few months. However, I'd rather stretch this as far as possible since I am in school, with student loan debt, and trying to budget this cycle to some degree without cutting corners.. I really would like to start in June, a month out from my next cycle, and run it until a few months after PCT. Here is a look at my plan:

Purposed cycle:

-HGH
-Test E/EQ/Prop (Possibly proviron?)
-HCG/HMG
-Letro/cabaser (AI on cycle)
-Clomid/Nolva (PCT)

Will run letro because it is the most effective for combating my gyno flares, and I also have a lot of Proviron incase it will benefit this cycle. HGH 5on/2off will be Tues/Thur OFF

Weeks 1-4: HGH x 2iu 5on/2off
Weeks 5-6: HGH x 3iu 5on/2off + .25mgs Letro EOD
Weeks 7-10: HGH x 4iu 5on/2off + .25mgs Letro EOD + 400mgs Test E/ 400mgs EQ/ Test P 100mgs EOD
Weeks 11-14: HGH x 5iu 5on/2off + .25mgs Letro EOD + 600mgs Test E/ 400mgs EQ (HCG @ 500iu E4D)
Weeks 15-18: HGH x 6iu 5on/2off + .25mgs Letro EOD + 750mgs Test E/ 500mgs EQ (HCG @ 500iu E4D)
Weeks 19-20: HGH x 6iu 5on/2off + .25mgs Letro EOD + 600mgs Test E/ 400mgs EQ (HCG @ 500iu E4D)
Weeks 21-22: HGH x 6iu 5on/2off + .25mgs Letro EOD + 400mgs Test E/ 400mgs EQ (HCG @ 500iu E4D)
Weeks 23-24: HGH x 5iu 5on/2off + .25mgs Letro EOD + 400mgs Test E/ 200mgs EQ (HCG @ 500iu E4D)
Weeks 25-26: HGH x 4iu 5on/2off + .25mgs Letro EOD + 200mgs Test E (HCG @ 1000iu + HMG @ 75 iu E4D)

3 week break for long esters to clear before starting PCT- Continuing HGH @ 3iu 5on/2off thru PCT till week 36-40

PCT:
Week 1: Clomid 100mgs/Nolva 40mgs (Aromasin on hand)
Week 2: Clomid 50mgs/Nolva 20mgs
Week 3: Clomid 50mgs/Nolva 20mgs
Week 4: Clomid 50mgs/Nolva 20mgs

I am going to really focus on a clean diet to help get down my BF as I don't expect HGH to just melt it off me by itself. I am going to minimize carbs/sugars, ramp up the protein, and get plenty of fruits and veggies. No eating within an hour either direction of dosing, and no carbs past 8pm. I will be skipping tues/thurs on the 5 on 2 off routine, and will be doing fasted cardio @ 7am M/W/F. I will lift every day after 7pm with the occasional rest day on Tues or Thurs.

My injection plan is to start with once a day when at or below 3 iu, and then splitting it up into two doses when over 4iu. I work 9-6, so ill be hitting the gym around 7pm and from what I've read, I don't think my second injection can come PWO since it will be so close to sleep (around 9-10pm). I am planning to take the first dose at 6am (before fasted cardio), and the second with me to work to pin around 2pm.

I'm not sure if I want to mess with insulin because there seems to be too much risk with improper usage, and it would require timing that I might not be able to stay consistent with because of work. Unless there would be a significant increase in the HGH's effectiveness or it would make the usage more safe, I am not sure I would be willing to risk it.. I don't want to give myself type II diabetes.. I will admit I have not done much research on slin, which is the main reason I am not really considering it.

I have a ton of Proviron 50mg tablets which I didn't use during another cycle. I was considering it to prevent gyno and boost the first 8 weeks on cycle (or maybe the last 8), or to use during PCT to keep libido up. I know there is a whole other debate on whether HTPA suppression is caused by Proviron or not, so I'm just wondering if anyone would recommend adding it anywhere in here.

Anyway I appreciate any constructive critique and apologize for any noob posting mistakes I've made. New to this!

Thanks

TLDR

How does my plan look?

Are 5 day on 2 day off results equal/close to ED protocol results?

If I cant take my second pin PWO, is early afternoon the best alternative (1/2pm)?

Is it necessary to add slin to the mix, at any point, to enhance results or make cycle safer? If so how much and when?

Should I add Proviron anywhere in this schedule?

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ProLifter - Thanks that's basically what I wanted to hear about the slin.. It just seemed like too much risk for what im looking to do here, and the added benefit seemed minimal. If the ED protocol is the way to go then I will just save and get more so I can do it right.. Can I ask you how many IUs daily you are taking at your max? Does my plan look decent besides the 5 on 2 off? Too low or too high? Thanks for the info

mtyhooker - Ive had gyno since I was in HS where I get a small cyst that's come and gone on my right side mammary duct. Im really prone to cysts and during my first run with sus I didn't do my due diligence researching enough on my own.. I just trusted a friend that had done it and wound up flaring it up pretty bad. Since that first cycle ive effectively killed it with letro and nolva, except for slightly puffy nipples. Now I run letro on cycle (with nolva on hand) and aromasin though PCT if im still elevated. That keeps it at bay and definitely makes recovery smoother.

Id put up a picture right now but I honestly don't have a decent one right now at work so Ill make a point to post up one tonight after work/school.

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Add slin to make cycle safer? Did I read that right? You need not mess with slin bro. Thats a taboo topic bro. I dont know of anyone here who is going to give advice on slin. Go simple test and eq. And like said below dont run that 5 on 2 off on the hgh. Have you studied hgh? Sides? CTS?

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I did say that just out of the possibility my limited research on slin was not correct, and it really is valuable to an HGH cycle. I really don't know about the slin protocols and it seemed like there was so much conflicting data, so I figured Id ask before I made a serious mistake trying to work it in or leaving it out. I was just looking for that advice you just gave me.. STAY AWAY. I wasn't planning on investing time researching it unless someone gave me a good reason to add it..

As far as HGH I have done a great deal of research and understand that the recommended protocol now is ED, and that the 5 on 2 off method was old news perpetuated by people looking to save money. As I was stating, I can get more, I just would rather not have to spend more if I could get away SAFELY with the 5/2 scheme. I will admit (like I did in the post) I was just trying to be a cheap asshole if I could.. I have come across some posts that do still have people claiming to have gotten great results with it, so I was just hoping to find out, for safety's sake, if I could get away with it and still see decent results. Doesn't look like I can..

Definitely ready for the sides of HGH as best I can be.. I am not really concerned with the CTS/pins and needles as much as the gyno since im already prone. I have on hand: 80 - 2.5mg letro tabs, 40 - 1mg adex tabs, 60 - 25mg aromasin tabs, 120 - 20mg nolva tabs, 100 - 50mg clomid tabs, and 40 - 1mg cabaser tabs. I realize that there is conflicting data on HGH gyno so ive prepared my normal schedule of letro to last my entire cycle and plan do add the cab if I sense a flare. I have the adex/aromasin ready for after if I need something less harsh to keep down my E level during PCT..

Im not a total noob to this and I learned my lesson the first time to do my research.. That's why im sharing this cycle after educating myself enough to where I am covering old ground each time I read about it more. Before I jump into it I want to hear anyone's opinion so that I have everything I need on hand, and don't make any obvious mistakes.

Thanks for the help I really appreciate the guidance

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Hey sorry mtyhooker i didnt realize that i meeded to reply individually to comments. If you look at my other reply i think i answered most of your questions. Thanks for the reply i appreciate the help.

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Okay that makes sense. Do you suggest i taper up or down at all or just start and end at 400test/600eq? I was planning on tapering mainly because i havent in past cycles and i really want to make recovery as easy and painless as possible. Also i have a ton of proviron that i was considering using because of the AI properties its said to have.. I figured it may be a nice boost without the conversion but i definitely dont want to over do it. Thanks again for the suggestions man

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10-4 so you recommend starting HCG as late as week 13? I have usually started it early when using the short ester test

flacidego's picture

Post up a pic. No homo. Let's have a look at you. You say you haven't studied up much about slin, then below you ask if you should use it.