posted Fri, 07/21/2023 - 04:16
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Hi guys, if I were to finish getting to 15% body fat I would like to run a cycle. To get to a pro size is gear, nutrition and training enough or do you need HGH to actually maintain that much extra tissue? Or can you do it with gear alone. My thoughts are eventually you would need extra HGH to maintain. Wanted to check with you guys before doing anything!
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I've never used GH before and I've been in this gear game for a hot minute now. I'm at a point now where I am considering it now. Also if you don't have the pro level genetics then GH won't be the key. It's all about those genetics my man. With great genetics and hard work there are no limitations
DeeMan pull the trigger, jump on that gh train. At 2 units my hair and nails are growing pretty damn quick, and skin is looking and feeling much smoother. Improved sleep and dreams and leaning up nicely. Have been debating increasing to 4 units split, but want low dose long term use. Not sure the extra 2 units are worth the added tingle in hand and feet, insulin resistance etc.
I just saw this @smoke1more that's my thought exactly, is the tingle, numbness and insulin resistance even worth it going higher. I understand. 2 -3 units sounds good to me if you're seeing those results that you mentioned
2iu is all we need
Yep yep. Not trying to be Mr. Olympia
Given what I know about you, I think you would respond very well to GH. I love GH BUT, what I’m going to say is probably controversial…I rather save the money and energy for more primo. I can’t use primo because I only pin 1.5 ml at a time and won’t exceed that unless I use different injection sites. I don’t think you have that problem. I’d opt for test promo and Var ONLY and that’s over any other cycle. This is my opinion so take it like a grain of salt.
Unfortunately you gotta watch what you say nowadays lol. Everything is controversial now. So remember primo pretty much killed my sex drive at 200-300mg so honestly I don't want anything to do with it ya know. I felt horrible. So you won't pin 2ml primo twice a week? Too low of a dose? I hate pinning so I'm certainly not trying to pin alot and especially pinning primo. But yea I'm going to give GH a try. And I'll say this and of course it probably won't be believable but I'll start at 2iu, then eventually
3-4 iu. 4 the most. Heck I may just stay at 3 now that I think about it. I was always too poor to afford GH. Still kind of surprised
One thing I completely forgot to mention is how deep of a sleep GH puts me in. I usually average only 4 or 5 hours a night but when I’m running GH I’m easily 7 or 8 hours. That extra rest alone is essential for repair and growth. My mood, mentality and mental well being are vastly improved. The physical part is secondary compared to the mental benefits of GH.
Are you pinning right before bed to get that effect?
No, I was only using 2ius am off cycle. If I was on cycle it would be split am empty stomach and pm before bed.
I'll probably do something like that
So on cycle I pushed it to 4/6iu split am pm 5 on 2 off
Off cycle was 2iu in am on empty stomach
@Makwa, I tagged you here because I didn’t properly specify my protocol when I initially responded to you.
I gotcha. Been hearing alot about 5 on 2 off method. And of course some will take issue with it. I remember seeing something on that method awhile back. Not only is it economical, but there was something behind that method. In fact I think ghost mentioned and went into details about 5 on 2 off
I take off every Sunday because it’s the only day I don’t work out. I consider it a reboot. Don’t know if it’s doing anything for me, but I remember reading somewhere that it reminds your natural GH to release that day because you’re not injecting it. Could be Bro Science, but I kinda stick to this protocol. In fact, I don’t like injecting anything on Sunday, especially short esters like Test Prop and Tren A. Not sure if it’s psychosomatic, but I can feel the gear running through me in an uncomfortable way if I don’t workout that day
I was just going to mention that myself. My sleeping pattern isn't the best. I average about 4 or 5 hours myself. And tell you what some days I don't even want to train because of lack of sleep. I'll take the mental part anyday over the physical....well I'd take the anti aging part too. Appreciate your input
This is exactly what I need in my life.
Lol yeah I hear that. I love GH at 2iu for wellness but Kap was on the money with everything he said. I know you’re a bit Pip sensitive so primo 200 is out question for both of us. Unless I master pinning glutes and things ease up financially, I won’t be pinning primo in the near future despite my deepest fantasy to.
KAP and myself don't react well to primo. It's a estrogen killer for the both of us. Even he'll tell you that. Lol see different strokes for different folks.
Yeah my primo dreams are long gone. Now if used it will be as an ai but nothing more than that. Yeah KAP is my man, he is the truth and I trust him. GH for me is more for longevity than growth and I mean that.
And DAMN you haven't mastered glutes? That's the first muscle you learn to pin lol.
My hands shake, for me it was quads and delts.
Fuck those quads done like 3 injects my entire life, hate it. Delta and glutes for me.
Same here
Yeah, I’m done with them too.
Good call. I've always been told to stay sway from pinning quads. Glutes, Delts, Pecs and Traps are my go to. Last resort if needed, biceps. Plenty of real estate between those 5 sites, I log each pin on a calendar that way I don't forget where I stuck what and when. 2cc most on traps and Pecs, I've done 3cc in glutes and delts plenty of times, but generally try to pin no more than 2cc each pin nowadays. If it gets to 3cc full syringes, I'll pin daily 1.5cc each pin rather than do 3cc EOD.
We’ll have to have a few conversations about pinning traps and I’ve even thought about pinning bis/tris but my way back to short esters is just to pin Glutes because honestly, I miss running my short esters.
I'd personally much rather hit the traps as opposed to tris or bis, but that's just me. I use short esters in all my injection sites with no issues. I do however used to hate pinning pharma grade test due to the thickness of the oil and the amount of time it took to pin 2ml. Nowadays those issues are avoided with blending the pharma with thinner oils available today.
Peach oil is literally water. Did 1 amp of water based test suspension in my left Pec yesterday and can't even tell I pinned there today. I'm used to the old school thick pharma oils and guess my injection sites/muscles are accustomed to receiving them and don't experience pip much at all anymore. I can feel the initial pain with test suspension upon injecting, but not much after.
Wow, man, you made me cringe. 2cc’s to the Traps??? I feel like such an amateur, LOL! I might have to give traps a try, at a much smaller dosage of course
As long as you are deep enough in the muscle, you'd be surprised how much oil it can hold. Given you are using normal dosed, high quality products and are properly rotating numerous injection spots.
I mean maybe 1cc per trap but for me not 2.
Yea I agree it wouldn't be good to pin short esters in bis/tris.
I still haven't done bis/ tris yet. I dunno man.
Lats is my favorite pin site.
I definitely prefer them over bis/tris for sure.
Me either. Creeps me the hell out
Creepy
How the hell are you able to reach your traps
I sit down in front of the mirror and rest my arms on the bathroom counter, pin the top side part of trap. Its really easy. I'm pretty fortunate to still have healthy shoulders and decent flexibility. I prefer to pin myself, but have my girl help with the hard to reach spots like rear delts. (She's a RN/BSN and is very understanding regarding my AAS use.)She brings me particular size needles/syringes back from the hospital after her shift if needed. Let's just say I never have issues with not having enough alcohol swabs and needles/syringes
I remember her helping me pin rear delts with thick pharma sust mixed with pharma primo and the process took literally 20 minutes. She's a sharpshooter and gives painless injects, but her thumb is nowhere near the strength of ours.
When you inject traps does it not give you a headache ever from the pain running up into the back of your head and neck from the traps? The same kind of headache you can get from doing barbell rows, deads and shrugs? Tension headache I guess
No headaches or pain for me bro. Only time I feel some pain when injecting is if I nick a vein. That and the initial piercing of the skin. I make sure the traps are relaxed and not tensed/flexed before I stick and off an away, 1inch 25g for all injects, but sometimes I'll use 1.5 for glutes
DamikeI could see it causing a headache for some. It gave me kind of a stiff neck, like when you wake up after sleeping with your head in an akward position too long.
I wish I could be done with them but sometimes I need the additional pin site. Always a last resort for me now.
Yeah I have come close a couple times, couldn’t do it. I remember feeling each delt and glute looking for a spot that wasn’t still holding some oil lol. The shit we do huh.
Why ? Pip?
Honestly haven’t tried in years, but yes think my skewer legs were more the problem not enough tissue lmao. Pip like never before. When on cycle I will rotate between four sites I manage ok.depending on number of compounds and esters it can get tricky, but mainly trt and short blast if anything anymore. All about the health now.
I almost always spear a nerve, at least every third if not every other time. No more quads for me. Just… no.
I can digg that my man. Yeah my legs always have pip.
O ok. My quads pip like a mofo.
With how well you supposedly respond to low doses and don’t need anything more than low test it’d be awesome to see what you would do on a “ high dose cycle”. I guess you don’t want to put the rest of us to shame.
@LayneStaley I bet when you ever decide to post a self pic you'll put us all to shame..."supposedly". No need for you to troll my man. Low dosage doesn't mean 100mg test only and 10mg oral like I've heard some internet guys brag about and what you probably think. C'mon. Be safe.