posted Fri, 07/21/2023 - 04:16
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+ 1 Do you need HGH to get huge?
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Hi guys, if I were to finish getting to 15% body fat I would like to run a cycle. To get to a pro size is gear, nutrition and training enough or do you need HGH to actually maintain that much extra tissue? Or can you do it with gear alone. My thoughts are eventually you would need extra HGH to maintain. Wanted to check with you guys before doing anything!
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Posted a self shot for you. I’m in my worst shape in years no shame in my game.
You’re in Excellent shape
Nice pic but whatever your issue is with me and it sounds like you've always had one, I'm sorry you feel that way. I stand on my comments and that will not change. Everyone is different and if you take my dosing comments as me being special then you are the one with misguided issues. Sorry man. But hey you're entitled to feel how you feel. That sums it up.
And honestly you’re just getting the heat of everything because I really don’t like how the Rusty situation was handled. It was funny at first I enjoyed seeing you two go at it till the end when he couldn’t even put proper sentences together. The shit went on for twelves years everyone knows that’s not how he was. He was practically crying out for help at the end and everyone just poked the bear with a stick and kept provoking it. Eroids was put together for safe and reliable sourcing but also harm reduction. This case just wasn’t the gear causing it we don’t know what made him decline like that but why poke the bear and antagonize him when he’s at his lowest. I really wasn’t even a fan of the guy me and him had several altercations and the way he handled things was wrong but as a harm reduction community I think there could’ve been more of an effort to make the situation better especially for a guy that had been here for 12 years. I have more respect for you now then when this discussion started so we can go our separate ways and drop this. We both said what we wanted and it’s going to go nowhere farther just beating a dead horse so good night.
Agreed. We now view each other how we view each other. Ok cool.
I'll check it out. And I'm on record of saying I give respect to anyone who posts a selfie. I'm no better than nobody else period. I honestly think you take my dosing comments the wrong way. It's not about me. It's simple...a one shoe size approach isn't for everyone. Maybe I didn't explain the right way but that's what I always mean. Honestly some guys do take issue with that thought though.
It was more of just friendly banter busting your balls and I thought you had a very mature response at the start. I know low dosages aren’t 100mg and 10mg low doses are around 750-1000 a week total between everything nowadays. You seems to have altercations with just about as many people as the guy you all talk so much down on. This isn’t a dick measuring contest and I have nothing more to say because everyone body reacts differently and what works for one won’t work for the other that’s why I don’t like you always talking about dosages. Not one guy on a pro stage is on under 2g a week with large amounts of growth that is a legitimate contender.
You sound like a hater to me honestly. Why? I mention different dosages because everyone is in fact different, that's always my point. It isn't about me so I know you're trolling now. I never talk down on anyone and that's a fact and guys will tell you that. But hey guys like you have no understanding. So what you're saying makes zero sense. You're trolling and it won't work here. Take care.
I understand busting balls is one thing but your comment wasn't that, in fact it was more troll like in my opinion. I joke around but... but c'mon man. You make statements like this and then you try to justify it by lying about stuff. It's funny because I've seen you in plenty of altercations so play innocent lol. Also do you even know the facts of any of my few altercations? No you don't. Honestly please don't throw stones when you live in a glass house.
Living in a glass house yet I posted a self pic for you. I don’t claim to be special or better than anyone you. Calling me a troll when you genuinely don’t provide any useful information and just lurk sources pages and talk all day. Nothing wrong with it just don’t think you’re the second coming of Christ. It was a direct shot at you because I wanted to see how you respond. I don’t know what I’d be lying about though.
You need to think before you make condescending comments that's all. Yep you sound very bitter. You never give any helping information accept troll others like myself. Just because you had an accident doesn't give you the right to make rediculous comments. But glad you're ok. Help someone out why don't you and stop hating. Not what eroids is about. And honestly I could care less what you think because guys like you don't matter, it's the positive guys that matter to eroids in general. Trust me I've provided way more info than you have my man. Fact. You just wanted attention and was looking to start mess. You got your chance but proved nothing. Night sir.
I’m not a hater I just flat out don’t like 90% of the stuff you say. Anyone that talks to me through pm knows how knowledgeable I am. I have never actually called anyone out but you so I don’t know what you’re saying about that. I’m not a shit poster I do offer out information when it hasn’t already been stated. Frankly I don’t believe most of what you say and that’s why I called you out. You are knowledgeable and provide value you to the community but who are you trying to brag to man we are all men on a forum. We are all egotistical on elevated hormones so I understand.
Lol at the end of the day who cares if you believe? I don't. Who are you to impress? Why should I lie? You gonna give me a trophy, money or like me even more lol? Layne if you call me out for no reason you better be prepared my man. You're not. Just saying. Again Good night
I knew there was hate behind your first comment, you admitted that so why would you lie and say it was innocent? I see that you still don't get it so I'll just leave this conversation alone ok. Layne nobody will always like what anyone says especially my 70's dosing comments and guess what, I'll continue to preach it so deal with it, my apologies. I see you have your issues and we don't see eye to eye. Again my apologies. Nothing will change though..Ok good night.
Nah I wouldn't want to put you to shame, that's all. I'm not that type of guy. Well if you really wanna know I've tried high dosing when I was probably mid 20's. Didn't work so well. I'm not stupid at all, I actually listen to my body. If it doesn't feel right, it isn't right point blank. I'm no Mr. Olympia at all. I just happen to master what my body likes and it responds. Of course I'll probably never reach my genetic potential but I don't care. I have no great genetics here. Health is more important to me my man. I'm in it for the long haul.
At your old age who cares about the hgh building muscle. Hgh for well being man. Love it. Hair , nails , skin tight
Get on it buddy
It’s in the works for me, probably go at 2-3IU a day. Gotta tighten up my diet just a bit more, get some gummy bears to keep on hand, I’m pretty excited.
Man I'll tell ya that guy @wanted compares everyone to himself. He looks 21. We all can't look that young. He's my buddy though. Funny guy
Just checked out his pics, guy is in phenomenal shape for 21 let alone that he’s 40! Damn
That's why I'm so jealous of that guy. My lady is constantly sneaking on my phone to look at his selfie pics.That really bothers me and he knows this. Talk about insecurities. Gotta keep him miles away from your wife or girlfriend. You'll regret it if you don't.
You just fking insulted me! Yes you did! Lol. I'm not old, getting older by the day though lol. You Hollywood looking, smooth talking womanizer. Guys like you I despise. Why do you have to have all the pretty women, muscles and good looks damn it?
Nahh how you been man? You've been gone for awhile
Damn, I get out of a training session and all this tea being spilt. Gurl!! Hahaha lemme warm up some popcorn before i read through all this tea.
Lol it's absolutely nothing KAP. Now you and I have had several discussions and we pretty much know each others stance. We both have mastered what our bodies like and don't like. Lol we don't have to lie! For what? It has nothing to do with bragging or lying. That's why I was confused. You and I have never bragged about having elite genetics, hell in fact if I did I would be a competitive bodybuilder. Again, I'm just a ordinary guy who knows his body..simple. But at the end of the day we both know our bodies and that's what matters. Everyone has opinions and that's just what it is. I know you understand this.
While I agree, great genetics are needed to be competitive. Period. But even great genetics +HGH and AAS will produce a bigger, fuller, leaner bodybuilder than the same genetically gifted without HGH. But I agree, HGH won’t compensate for poor genetics. But it’ll certainly help allow you to become the best bodybuilder YOU can be with whatever genetics you’re stuck with.
Or poor work ethic. Must have the foundations of solid movement patterns to activate muscle groups, progressive overload, optimal nutrition, rest, consistency and persistence, etc., down to a T. Genetics can also only carry you so far if you’re not doing everything else right.
Gurl… That’s already assumed. Aren’t we past touting proper nutrition and training? If you haven’t mastered that yet then what’re you doing here? Lol
Lmao. Those guys will always be here. Hoping for a magic bullet of some kind. To out work their lack of work. I wish we were!
See comment below for explanation. Like I stated a good example is Flex Wheeler. Probably best genetics ever....and no Mr. Olympia titles. That explains it all.
For sure - and in todays world willing to take everything too. I recently saw an example of what Nick Walker took in competition and it was downright frightening, not sure how anyone could literally survive it all.
Definitely shortening the lifespan. Bodybuilding at that level is never healthy
Well when I say genetics I'm factoring in all the above. We all know that you can have great genetics with a piss poor worth ethic, poor sleep habits, nutritional habits etc and those " great genetics" are somewhat limited all of a sudden, in otherwords they aren't maximized to full degree as you know. A prime example of that is Flex Wheeler. Now according to Ronnie Coleman, Dorian Yates and various pros, Flex had to best genetics out of all but his worth ethic wasn't so great. Notice no Mr. O titles. Out worked by a guy named Ronnie Coleman who had good genetics. Just one simple example.
Yessir 100%
Yessir! . Now when I said it's about great genetics, I'm factoring in GH and AAS. My bad that I didn't mention that.
A big reason why I never used GH was because I couldn't afford it and I refused to mess with the cheaper Chinese generics. Things have gotten better now.
HGH is a must to reach beyond levels you can achieve with AAS alone. Only HGH combined with my standard dose allowed me to put on 25lbs while getting leaner in the process. So, yes, to be truly “huge” for YOU. HGH is a must. You will only grow so much with AAS alone.
Hope all is good with ya KAP
Can i ask about your dose?
HGH has been at 5iu for 99% of my total time using it. May 2022 - Now. AAS dose while blasting usually hovers between 1g-2.2g total anabolics / week. Never used higher than 2.7g total AAS per week. (Even now looking back, 2.7g didn’t produce much more than 1.5-2g did) Only that 1-2g PLUS 5iu HGH has allowed me to grow more in the last 18 months then ever before. Was ~180lbs @ 9-10% in May 2022. I now sit comfortably at ~ 205lbs @ 7-8% Nothing new or different AAS wise than before.. just adding HGH every day. Some people don’t have the genetics regardless, sadly.. but AAS + HGH will allow you to reach YOUR best more than either alone. IMO
Lol what's funny is certain guys that criticize others for being able to use certain hormones at certain lower dosages. You've probably heard this before. It happens. I guess if it's not possible for a certain individual(s) then it's just not possible at all right? Lol. My message will always be that one cannot generalize. There's no one shoe size that fits all approach.
Anybody can criticize anyone else. For using small doses or big doses. At the end of the day if you are winning competitions and are beating other guys, Doesn’t really matter how you did it. I’m honest about what I use. Anyone can criticize me if they wish haha but my body speaks for itself.
Exactly...let them hate!
And nothing wrong with criticizing others or defending yourself from others. Like you said the body speaks for itself. Man what I've learned is folks don't appreciate or believe in transparency. I just know what works for me and it isn't a lie. I don't know what else to say lol.
I’ve always been of the opinion that when the guys in the know say “great genetics” it’s not about having a narrow waist and broad shoulders, it’s a compliment to how their body responds so well to the drugs and they can tolerate massive doses without winding up in the hospital within two weeks. Can you imagine what Ronnie’s honest cycle was? Dorian? Big Ramy? It HAS to be absolutely insane.
In my opinion guys get frustrated when they aren't making gains at higher dosages than someone else is at lower dosages and they tend to not believe other person or lash out because they can't explain it. It's a defense mechanism. And let me say this, man folks act like what I've achieved with my body is unreal, like I'm some Mr. Olympia or some shit claiming to use 200mg test only lol. It's a weird undeserved backwards compliment if anything. Anyone who works hard and have above average genetics can do what I've done in my opinion. My strength has always been my strong point, not my physique. It's nothing special. I think I've gotten confused with someone else seriously lol.
Just remember bud that anybody can 'claim' to be running anything on the internet - generally guys are going to claim lower doses to make them look more impressive and better than other people. Unless you actually live with someone and see exactly what they are injecting you will never know the real truth.
Hard facts right there
I agree you never know what someone is taking but here is another fact. I know that there are ALOT of guys that use grams of gear, have abused tren and everything and they hide their usage because their looks don't match up to their high grams usage. I gotta be honest alot of those guys cannot even comprehend that someone who uses half or a fourth of what they're using looks better. Lol that's the reality of the situation. If we're gonna be honest you gotta go all the way. When that finger points, it tends to curve back to the pointer. Yessir!!! Folks talk but when those selfies or trophies post up then total silence. That's where the rubber meets the road.
Ohh yes for sure high gear tolerances are needed - being able to tolerate high gear and still train effectively, eat and sleep is an art in itself buddy.
Exactly buddy - I am pretty sure every single one of us got into lifting because we wanted to better ourselves rather than look better than someone who already looked great. Probably 90% of us start lifting because we have bad genetics and want to look better than we do in our daily lives, or want to get stronger month by month. You tend to find a lot of guys with elite genetics don't even train because they don't have the desire or need to because they have always been muscular and big.
That breaks the whole situation down well. Thanks for going in detail.
Any time brotha. I try to be as thorough and honest about what I personally do.