Looking for cycle advice from my age peers
Hello all, I am 54, cycled for the past 4 years, yup a late bloomer. Healthwise I just had a complete physical by an MD all checks ok except a little high BP now medicated at 135/80 which is where this body has run for over 12 years.
Stats: 6'2" male 54yrs about 8 - 9% BF (haven't been pinched in awhile) 205 - 209lbs; gym 5- 6 x weekly muscle tone and structure better than a 30yr old thank you Dad.
So I am going to get a trainer who also competes while on this cycle to ensure variability of workouts - like most I tend to get stuck in a habit of workout routine.
I have run deca alone; sustanon with deca; sustanon alone and now I want to run
dianabol with sustanon and deca. dbol for 4 weeks at the front sust and deca for 12 weeks. i don't have the amounts dialed in yet I susbcribe to lesser is better, I know where I need to run for sust and deca to be effective and avoid the bad sides roughly 500 sus / 400 deca weekly IM, dbol I've never run
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So to restate my question on AI: I view an AI as a defensive measure against gyno, should I be looking at introducing an AI as an offesnive move to increase effectiveness of Test?
Yes! Good researching! If the body has enough test to grow but just as much estro to slow/hinder growth you must then raise more test...to then have more estro conversion..etc. Control the estro and have better growth without super high levels.
Gentlemen, I can't tell you how much I appreciate and enjoy the comments. For me researching, planning, discussing weighing options is half the fun, once again its mind over matter brazing ahead. The comments here and discussion with my fellow gym guys all 15-20 yrs younger than me but been at it much longer seem to conclude as SuperDBAG recommended at that is a short ester Test inplace of the Dbol just to go on the side of safety. I asked my buddy what AI was and saw then also read oldgymrat's comments and now I have a question.
Would an AI increase the free and available Test in my system thereby making each pinup more effective and efficient? Right now what I have done instead of an AI is just back off the Test when my nipples get sensitive and swollen, just back off 100mg or so, my trigger point seems to be 600mg weekly, go 700 and I feel the estrogen in my chest. So if I stay around 500-600mg and introduce an AI would the test available increase
Keepin in balace means being able to grow at 500 with less sides. Prop gets the test up faster since it lives only two days. Test e takes 4-5 Weeks to kick in because it has long life Esters. Dbol converts easily to estro and bloats you quickly. So using the prop for quick growth...then letting test e do its job. Ai keeps estro down so bloat/gyno etc is controlled and growth is easier.
Hey there fellow Old Timer! I’ll be 55 this year. I started back before the FDA scheduled AAS but after that had about a 20 year hiatus. Been back for about 6 years now.
Just my two cents here but you are obviously very cautious, that’s good. However you seem to limit yourself to shorter esters like Test Propionate. This also includes Sustanon. Of course Sustanon is a blend of a number of esters, depending on the manufacturer, but you still need to take it more frequently, like Test P. To me, based on the stats you provided, I would want to combine Test Cypionate or Enanthate about 200 - 250 mg 2x a week along with Test P, at what…200 mg per ml? 2x a week. On top I would add 1 cc of Deca 2x a week and then the D-bol. Stay on the D.bol no longer than 6 - 8 weeks. To me, this is a good solid cycle and will add quality mass.
In all, it sounds like you know what you’re doing. Good luck!
Hey fast48 what is var?
Ran the question of dbol v test prop by my 2 local gym buddies both hands down said prop
Nothing wrong with back to simple test e/var :). Good prop doesn't hurt like the old punch to the leg prop. It gets your test levels up til week four when the test e comes alive. But simple is less pins for sure.
Var is anavar. Its an oral used for finishing or making the end of your cycle you're chisled. With your low bodyfat, you already know food determines how fast you grow. Besides making you cut/hard anavar also boost strength. It's mild to the system when compared to other orals. It's one of the preferred finishers for competitive people precontest. It doesn't add lots of bulk but it usually gives a pound or two. Its highly anabolic whete test is an androgen. I'm on var right now with my stack and have a Nice boost of energy and recovery between sets without being hyper. Typical doses are between 60-100Mg/day. If you google anavar theres many sites that tell the whole story. It can be a lil costly but theres many quality resellers here with sweet prices
Hey so my goals are plain and simple size! Just bulk but not water weight, I want size as a result of increased weights on the lift.
Your bf is low. Keep gallon plus water each day. Low salt.
1-4 test prop 100eod
1-12 test e/cyp 500/week mon/thur
8-14 var 60/day
14-18 pct ...leveles per day for foyr Weeks
Clomid 100...100...50..50
Nolva 40...40...20...20
When estro shows (week 3-4) aromasin 12.5 Ed til pct starts
Test bulks....var bumps strength and will make you look like Greek statue. Keep protein at 2grams/lb bodyweight. 6small meals etc
On the aromatase inhibitor of I keep test on a specific level and stay away from the idea "more is better" my body seems to stay in balance. Again my nips are my barometer of estrogen conversion and any swelling quickly subsides if I just back off the T and Im still feeling it in the gym. I think I'd rather just back off the T
LOL, I was typing on my ipad, ihop sentance should have read "how long to took to return BP to natural state" so I typed ihop instead of how.
I get enough water gain on test, if dbol is more maybe the prop is the way to go.
hey the colorado omlet in the middle of a cycle from IHOP along with a stack of pancakes with extra butter, I can eat it all in about 8 bites
Ai...aromatase inhibitor. Lowers the estrogen in the system when its converting from an androgen. Adex or aromasin. They also help with bloat which helps keep bp in check.
And if your stock is sust,, deca,, dbol.....those in any combo raise bp because deca and dbol retain loads of water. I remember the old taper method but as i'm aging...i'm using nolva//clomid stack so i don't have longer shutdown. Sust has a long natural taper because its chemical makeup. Is your goals lean muscle or just getting mass? Knowing goals can pair up sust with a finisher if bf is down around 10%. If you're experoenced with pins there's also prop combos that can be looked into.
Never done the test prop kick, I do want a kick start tho. I see the prop is short, in and out. You know there is part of me that wants to experiment w dbol. So the question would be has anyone monitored BP with dbol and measured ihop long it took to return BP to natural state?
So guys I am not right now high BP, but I am medicated and I am susceptible but not high now.
I like the test prop. That seems to fit a safer alternative.
??????????? LOL!!! Yeah IHOP will give you high BP, HAHA...whad did U mean, prop?
Seriously, prop is WAY, WAY better than dbol...don't get me wrong though, some dudes love it...but it's just so much water, it seriously elevates your risk of developing gyno and BP, and really the gains are temporary. Whether it's during your cycle or at the end, I can almost guarantee you will lose more of your cycle-gained strength and mass with a dbol kick than you would with a prop kick.
Maybe forget about the Dbol for a kick to your cycle since you have high BP. Ever think about a Test prop kick? Since it looks like you never tried it...it would be a lil' more BP friendly
I have BP monitor at home and have benchmarked it against the docs tools. BP is a risk factor and I understand the silent killer comment. My cholesterol is below Norma both good and bad cholesterol. Risk therefore should be heart muscle and vein walls, not constriction due to plaque.
Look all this is a risk, I believe you educate, contemplate, choose.
That's what I'm doing here. All opioions welcomed.
How low is your good cholesterol?
I can't find my bllod workup right now, all I remember is during the physical exam I was on nothing it was below normal, and when on sust alone, it was below normal. My diet is as clean as clean could be, the worst I do is beer. chips once every 6 weeks or so and just the $2 size bag
So I monitor vitals closely in a cycle. On pct I've never done nor ever had any problems. Instead I do taper test down and my natural test levels are still above normal. I have 2 med's at my disposal for BP control neither of which should interfere w cycle stuff. I don't know what ai refers to?
I have done sust alone before, it's great but right now I have time to spend a lot of extra time in gym and resting so I'd like to cycle w a stronger set of gear.
Im close to your age....zewi is exactly right. Anything pumping up your bp is bad. What is your ai? Pct? Cycle plan with sust only...
zewiI cannot stress this enough ! If you going to be doing steroids you need a BP monitor, they are cheap around $ 20 take a reading 2-3 times a day,Hypertension (hi BP) is known as the silent killer!
Well your on Meds for BP.. The problem i have with you running Dbol--is that one of the sides is a Increase in BP--more so than other AAS. (2guard helps regulate blood pressure on cycle along with liver protection multi vits )
IMO i think you would be better off just staying with Sust--to avoid the extra BP from Dbol and Deca.
WHOO-EEEE!!! You ain't lying, Z...Dbol and my BP goes crazy!! I will probably NEVER mess with Dbol ever again...and I was only taking 20mg/day!! Just warming up pre-workout and my BP went up to 156 one time!!!! 156!?!?!?!?!!!!! That's my target heart rate zone for cardio, not a warm-up!!! YIKES!!!